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Old Jun 1st 2021, 11:10 pm
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We are planning to have a new kitchen fitted next year in our new house. Both the hob and oven will be electric with the oven being fitted in a chest height oven housing unit. Until we do this do we thought of buying a very cheap oven housing unit (below worktop) and fit the hob on top. Is this doable?
Or has anyone got a better idea?
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Old Jun 1st 2021, 11:45 pm
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Why not just purchase a standard electric cooker with over to use now and then after you get your kitchen fitted just sell the standard electric cooker with oven.? It will be cheaper for a basic cooker plus quick and easy and assuming there is an electric outlet nearby pretty painless. This is of course assuming you don't have a special reason to need the oven up at counter top height at this time. I looked at these modular cooker and ovens and am not a fan because if they ever require replacement in the future you may find it difficult to get one that is an exact size match . I went with a kombinalt cooker with 4 gas burners on the top and an electric oven and purposedly made the cooker space wide enough for a larger cooker in the future should sizes change and went with a 60cm wide Gorenje brand unit. I just completed working on a kitchen renovation .
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Old Jun 2nd 2021, 1:05 am
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Agree with Jack.
If it is only for a year you could probably get a used All in One from second hand shop or adverts and sell it on again when you have your new kitchen.
If you go for all electric then you can put it in a place where it will not obstruct you when you start redoing the kitchen.
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We prefer the oven at chest height for ease of use. We had two ovens at our old UK house, one (60cm) at chest height in a oven housing unit with pan storage below and miscellaneous storage above. The other a modular (90cm) with six gas hobs on top. We didn't use the 90cm oven often enough, mainly for when we had parties. Six hobs is two too many for us so four hobs this time.
Think I will look into how easy it will be to sell a basic cooker, hobs and oven, then decide.
The seller has a gas cooker with cooker hood above with an electrical cable running to somewhere I can't remember so will ask next time we visit. ​​​​​​I think we will have to ask the seller if there will be any problems with installing an electric oven, plus hobs.
I will have to ask one of my local deaf friends as they have gas hobs and electric oven about the electrical connection.
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Old Jun 2nd 2021, 9:18 am
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The reason there are a lot of combination ovens (electric oven gas hob) here is that not many houses have the required power from the electric co. to support an electric hob. The standard supply now is 32Amps, the typical electric hob will require between 35A to 45A so this means that unless you want to run nothing else at the same time as the hob then you will need an upgrade. Power upgrades over 32A cost 5000HUF per 1 amp so an extra 30A would cost 150,000 HUF plus the work to install and this could involve ancillary work because any upgrade will require the meter box to be up to date. A couple of years ago I had a place upgraded to 32A which required a new meter box and whilst there was no change for additional Amps the cost was about 150.000

Before you go too far down the road of an electric hob get to understand the power requirements of the hob you want against what is available and the cost if any of getting an upgrade. If your looking at an upgrade IMO you should plan for at least 25A in excess of what the hob requires

Gas ovens and hobs have been taken out of the gas regulations regarding required ventilation for gas appliances (because it was found that the regs were unreasonable with respect to gas ovens) so installing them is now much easier - but they still need to be professionally installed with a gas plan.

An electric oven on its own will plug into a normal plug socket.

You can get induction hobs that plug into a normal socket but the way they work is clever electronics that monitor the power and reduce the load to the rings to a pre-set limit so whilst you might get all 3 or 4 rings to be on at the same time the reduced power to each will mean that cooking will take longer because everything will be on low.

For a suggestion about a temporary hob and oven, why not buy what you want and get a cheap cabinet to put them in/on.

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Whilst it doesn't happen very often you do get power cuts which can last for several hours. Having a gas hob means you can still make a cup of tea or coffee and cook a meal.
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Originally Posted by Sachina
Whilst it doesn't happen very often you do get power cuts which can last for several hours. Having a gas hob means you can still make a cup of tea or coffee and cook a meal.
We might go down the solar power option. This option is becoming quite popular around here. We need look at the savings we would make.
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We might go down the solar power option. This option is becoming quite popular around here. We need look at the savings we would make.
Unless you are off grid totally solar power cuts out when a power cut happens because if it was connected then your solar power would be feeding the grid and could / would create a safety issue for anyone working on the grid. Also there are technical issues with keeping your Solar in sync with the grid which is not possible if the grid is off so your solar would be out of phase with any of your neighbours solar.
So bottom line solar power does not provide back up in the event of a power cut.

Edit to say it takes 10 - 11 years to reclaim the cost of the solar against the saved electricity. Solar panels have a guarantee of 80% of their output for 25 years. The inverters (an expensive bit of a system) usually have a guarantee of 5 years so an inverter failure can push the ROI out to 15 or so years. Roof orientation can affect the cost effectiveness of the system as will any shadowing of the roof.

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Originally Posted by Peter_in_Hungary
Unless you are off grid totally solar power cuts out when a power cut happens because if it was connected then your solar power would be feeding the grid and could / would create a safety issue for anyone working on the grid. Also there are technical issues with keeping your Solar in sync with the grid which is not possible if the grid is off so your solar would be out of phase with any of your neighbours solar.
So bottom line solar power does not provide back up in the event of a power cut.

Edit to say it takes 10 - 11 years to reclaim the cost of the solar against the saved electricity. Solar panels have a guarantee of 80% of their output for 25 years. The inverters (an expensive bit of a system) usually have a guarantee of 5 years so an inverter failure can push the ROI out to 15 or so years. Roof orientation can affect the cost effectiveness of the system as will any shadowing of the roof.
I will look into the cost effectiveness. One side of the roof is south facing. I'm aware in UK electricity from solar power can be fed into the national grid but here in Hungary I thought I'd read somewhere this doesn't happen. Would be great if it can be so earn a bit of money.
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A lifeline has been thrown into the situation. The mother-in-law has decided to move into a care home and will be selling the house so if sister-in-law doesn't want the gas cooker we will take it to the new house.
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Peter and Sachina made very important points re power outages.
Depending on where you live gas or electricity (and water too ...) are often switched off for repairs eg or because of faults.
Happened to us near Keszthely and now near Esztergom too.
So some redundancy is needed, gas hob and electric. Induction systems are nice but don't work with all pots and pans - be careful there.
An extreme example:
In Zala county around Hévíz some years ago the gas system had to be taken off for more than 24 hours.
Some restaurants closed, all others reduced their menus to goulash etc, no steaks, some meats just need a strong gas flame.
And that remark on electric power is also important. We have three phase, each phase around 25 amps.
But dryer and dish washer use the same phase - so if they're both on and you use an electric pot in addition, there is an overload/switch off.
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Sister-in-law has an electric hob so will ask her about pots and pans.
Interesting about all utilities being switched off when there's repairs being done. That means cooking camping style!
I must do more research .....
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Originally Posted by wolfi
Peter and Sachina made very important points re power outages.
Depending on where you live gas or electricity (and water too ...) are often switched off for repairs eg or because of faults.
Happened to us near Keszthely and now near Esztergom too.
So some redundancy is needed, gas hob and electric. Induction systems are nice but don't work with all pots and pans - be careful there.
An extreme example:
In Zala county around Hévíz some years ago the gas system had to be taken off for more than 24 hours.
Some restaurants closed, all others reduced their menus to goulash etc, no steaks, some meats just need a strong gas flame.
And that remark on electric power is also important. We have three phase, each phase around 25 amps.
But dryer and dish washer use the same phase - so if they're both on and you use an electric pot in addition, there is an overload/switch off.
It's fine when they give you notice that the electricity or water is going to be off, but very often in my village they don't and you can find yourself with less than a kettle full of water to last all day.

My house was completely rewired when I moved in, but I'm very wary of not overloading the system by having too many electrical appliances running at once. It's the main reason I opted to cook with gas, although I do have a small table top oven, which is great because usually I'm only cooking for one person.


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Yes, Sachina, sometimes these outages come as surprises - and you don't know how long they will last.
A few weeks ago our bell rang and there was a guy from the waterworks telling us that there would be no water until noon in our street because of works.
And then he went to the next house - really nice!
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Originally Posted by wolfi
Yes, Sachina, sometimes these outages come as surprises - and you don't know how long they will last.
A few weeks ago our bell rang and there was a guy from the waterworks telling us that there would be no water until noon in our street because of works.
And then he went to the next house - really nice!
This has happened to us here a couple of times. The water was turned off without any warning. Usually it's turned back on at noon.
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