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Old Feb 22nd 2023, 3:52 pm
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We are permanent residents in Hungary. I have been told after November 2013 say to travel to Croatia we will need a visa. You can apply online. Does anyone know of the facts please.
Sorry but ignore as it is an ETIAS visa which we will need after November.

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Old Feb 23rd 2023, 5:29 am
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Have a look at this thread posted below. Reading through it It seems if you have residency or permanent residency you do NOT need an ETIAS visa for travel Someone correct me if I am misunderstanding this pending travel visa requirement.

ETIAS - rules on EU entry once operational FYI
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Old Feb 25th 2023, 6:09 pm
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If this link below is correct ETIAS has been delayed until 2024 by the EU

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/new...etias-to-2024/

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Originally Posted by Jack_Russells4ever
If this link below is correct ETIAS has been delayed until 2024 by the EU

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/new...etias-to-2024/
Correct. November 2023 to ‘2024’ now.

https://travel-europe.europa.eu/etias/faqs-etias_en
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Old Apr 3rd 2023, 6:10 pm
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I think the more interesting question is 'Does Europe actually need ETAIS?'
Or is this another case of Brussels just creating jobs?
I should admit I have not studies the finer details, just skimming the headlines, so please forgive and excuse if I have read it totally wrong.
But surely this is only workable if every country re-instates border crossing controls, it seems pointless paperwork if no one is going to be there to check it anyway.
What am I missing?
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Originally Posted by duztee
I think the more interesting question is 'Does Europe actually need ETAIS?'
Or is this another case of Brussels just creating jobs?
I should admit I have not studies the finer details, just skimming the headlines, so please forgive and excuse if I have read it totally wrong.
But surely this is only workable if every country re-instates border crossing controls, it seems pointless paperwork if no one is going to be there to check it anyway.
What am I missing?
Yes, it does.
The key in your post is "Europe".
Applies to the Schengen external borders.

Think of it this way - you do need a passport / visa to enter the US, once in, you do not need further permissions to cross US State lines. (Same applies to the UK & County boundaries, or France & it's departments, etc, etc)
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Just google the Guardian eg with "Dover" and you'll find many articles like this:
passengers stuck in Easter school-holiday traffic for up to 14 hours at the weekend on the approaches to the Port of Dover. A spokesperson for the port, which declared a critical incident on Friday, said it was hoping to clear the backlog by lunchtime on Sunday. They said the delays were 'due to lengthy French border processes and sheer volume'
At least when traveling via plane it helps if you have two passports like my (German) sister and her (English) husband who live near Gatwick.
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Originally Posted by wolfi
At least when traveling via plane it helps if you have two passports like my (German) sister and her (English) husband who live near Gatwick.
I could get to Gatwick within 20 minutes .... obviously subject to traffic jams.
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The Brexit Withdrawal visas are a bit strange.
Because you are probably a Bristish Citizen your visa (for Hungary it is the permanent Residence Permit) only applies to your country.

If you travel to another schengen zone country the 90/180 clock starts. If for some reason you have to deal with authorities in that country and they see you are a British citizen, they could ask to see proof of your entry to the schengen zone. Without it they could potentialy deport you or ask you to leave.

So if you do cross from Hungary to another EU country you should (if you want to avoid the above risk) use a border crossing that has the facitity for you to stop and ask for a stamp in your passport. When you return to Hungary you should do the same.
But I am guessing, if you went to say Croatia for the day and you did get questioned, you could probably show your Hungarian documents, address card etc, smile sweetly and they maybe sympathetic and just give you a warning.
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Originally Posted by ecurb
The Brexit Withdrawal visas are a bit strange.
Because you are probably a Bristish Citizen your visa (for Hungary it is the permanent Residence Permit) only applies to your country.

If you travel to another schengen zone country the 90/180 clock starts. If for some reason you have to deal with authorities in that country and they see you are a British citizen, they could ask to see proof of your entry to the schengen zone. Without it they could potentialy deport you or ask you to leave.

So if you do cross from Hungary to another EU country you should (if you want to avoid the above risk) use a border crossing that has the facitity for you to stop and ask for a stamp in your passport. When you return to Hungary you should do the same.
But I am guessing, if you went to say Croatia for the day and you did get questioned, you could probably show your Hungarian documents, address card etc, smile sweetly and they maybe sympathetic and just give you a warning.
Am planning a road trip to Croatia next year. There will be two Hungarians and a Brit. When handing over the passports should I put mine at the bottom or top. 😬
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Hungarian citizens only need a ID card, I don't think the order you present them matters, as long as the 100 Euro note is not visible you should get in
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Originally Posted by FenTiger
Am planning a road trip to Croatia next year. There will be two Hungarians and a Brit. When handing over the passports should I put mine at the bottom or top. 😬
If you're crossing from Hungary to Croatia, there will be no passport control since both countries are now inside Schengen (Croatia's membership effective 1st Jan this year)

Originally Posted by ecurb
The Brexit Withdrawal visas are a bit strange.
Because you are probably a Bristish Citizen your visa (for Hungary it is the permanent Residence Permit) only applies to your country.

If you travel to another schengen zone country the 90/180 clock starts. If for some reason you have to deal with authorities in that country and they see you are a British citizen, they could ask to see proof of your entry to the schengen zone. Without it they could potentialy deport you or ask you to leave.

So if you do cross from Hungary to another EU country you should (if you want to avoid the above risk) use a border crossing that has the facitity for you to stop and ask for a stamp in your passport. When you return to Hungary you should do the same.
But I am guessing, if you went to say Croatia for the day and you did get questioned, you could probably show your Hungarian documents, address card etc, smile sweetly and they maybe sympathetic and just give you a warning.
The above is only partially correct.

Yes, we are limited to 90 / 180 outside of our country of residence but our passports are not to be stamped at the external borders, so we can't be asked to prove when we entered the Schengen zone. Similarly, as passport controls at internal borders have been done away with, there's no opportunity (nor justification) for passport stamping to take place there, either. There are requirements in some (possibly all?) member states for 3rd country nationals to report their presence if they enter the country via an uncontrolled point (ie any point of entry direct from another Schengen state, whatever the mode of travel), although (in Portugal, at least, and I suspect Spain and very probably others) this is waived if staying at paid for accommodation, where passport details are taken and passed to the border authority.

I suspect the limit is more a principle that in our circumstances we are supposed to observe, and that policing it would be mighty difficult, given the above. Especially as, despite the requirement to register entry, there's no such requirement to register departure. I could, for example, travel from my place in Portugal to Vigo to stay in a hotel for a couple of nights. There's no border controls at the frontier but the hotel logs me in, which takes care of my obligation to report my presence. After my 2 night stay, I go to stay with a friend in Madrid for 3 weeks. The Spanish authorities don't know whether I've gone home, crossed into France or remained in Spain. And the other Schengen states are none the wiser about my movements or the fact that I've used up some of my 90/180 allowance.

You're right about carrying passport and residence document when travelling - that is a must, I would say.
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Originally Posted by Red Eric

Yes, we are limited to 90 / 180 outside of our country of residence but our passports are not to be stamped at the external borders, so we can't be asked to prove when we entered the Schengen zone. is a must, I would say.
Hungarian border force are stamping (PR) passports at the airport.

I should have said in the non Schengen terminal.

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Hungarian border force are stamping (PR) passports at the airport.

I should have said in the non Schengen terminal.
Well they shouldn't be at any terminal, and the EU Commission has issued a reminder to that effect, requesting member states which continue to do so to cease.

And Schengen to Schengen travel won't (generally - there are temporary exceptions) entail passing through passport control, so it wouldn't arise in the circumstance under discussion.
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Originally Posted by Red Eric
Well they shouldn't be at any terminal, and the EU Commission has issued a reminder to that effect, requesting member states which continue to do so to cease.

And Schengen to Schengen travel won't (generally - there are temporary exceptions) entail passing through passport control, so it wouldn't arise in the circumstance under discussion.
I presented passport with PR card clipped to it (he looked at it & passed it back), I enquired and he said you have to have a stamp. I protested, he called over a colleague who confirmed I had to have a stamp, I produced my Hu ID and Hu address card and he just said "And" - & dismissed me!
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