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Old Sep 14th 2021, 9:46 am
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Passport issue date 26 July 2012......expiry date 26 April 2023. Have read on internet that post brexit you should now renew 10 years after "issue date" (6 months before) and ignore the passport expiry date. Is that correct, any help please.
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Passport issue date 26 July 2012......expiry date 26 April 2023. Have read on internet that post brexit you should now renew 10 years after "issue date" (6 months before) and ignore the passport expiry date. Is that correct, any help please.
My understanding is that you should have a minimum of 6 months left on your passport after your intended return date.

Now I have Hungarian citizenship I am considering not bothering with a UK passport when my existing one expires because of the expense and application pain. A Hungarian one is much cheaper, quicker and easier to get.
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Default Re: Passports, new rules post brexit.

Originally Posted by Peter_in_Hungary
Now I have Hungarian citizenship I am considering not bothering with a UK passport when my existing one expires because of the expense and application pain.
I keep mine up to date in order to avoid hassle from the Border Force jobsworths, if nothing else.
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Default Re: Passports, new rules post brexit.

Originally Posted by Peter_in_Hungary
My understanding is that you should have a minimum of 6 months left on your passport after your intended return date.

Now I have Hungarian citizenship I am considering not bothering with a UK passport when my existing one expires because of the expense and application pain. A Hungarian one is much cheaper, quicker and easier to get.
Would that mean giving up your UK citizenship? Will there be any tax issues?
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Would that mean giving up your UK citizenship? Will there be any tax issues?
I wouldn't need to give up UK citizenship - citizenship is not dependant upon having a passport and neither is one needed to enter the UK (you just join the appropriate line at the airport immigration). Tax is more a matter of residency not nationality. My wife, also a dual national, hasn't had a UK passport for years. After Brexit she decided she wanted one so sent off for a renewal. She was told that because it was so long since her previous passport ran out she would have to apply as if she had never had one - a lot more arduous than a renewal. So far she hasn't bothered.
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I think some countries will not accept a passport that is older than 10 years, no matter what the expiry date is.
Hence the UK no longer adds on any unused time on your old passport, to your renewed passport.
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Old Sep 15th 2021, 1:27 pm
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Originally Posted by ecurb
I think some countries will not accept a passport that is older than 10 years, no matter what the expiry date is.
Hence the UK no longer adds on any unused time on your old passport, to your renewed passport.
Thank you Ecurb, you have answered my question.
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BTW, these passport rules have nothing to do with brexit.
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BTW, these passport rules have nothing to do with brexit.
Yes they do.

Until January 1, 2021, you can continue to travel to Europe with your UK passport until it expires,” the UK warns, in a bid to inform its citizens on the measures they must undertake when travelling to EU after this date."

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Old Sep 17th 2021, 3:26 pm
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As I read it, when you renewed your last passport any period that was still remaining was added to the new one, hence an expiry date in excess of the 10 years, (not necessarily 6 months) or to put it another way, your present passport started when the full 10 years of the old one expired, if you like it was effectively issued in advance of the actual start date, giving you another full 10 years.
This added time is the part which is no longer valid, and as already stated your present passport will expire 10 years after the issue date.

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Default Re: Passports, new rules post brexit.

Originally Posted by duztee
As I read it, when you renewed your last passport any period that was still remaining was added to the new one, hence an expiry date in excess of the 10 years, (not necessarily 6 months) or to put it another way, your present passport started when the full 10 years of the old one expired, if you like it was effectively issued in advance of the actual start date, giving you another full 10 years.
This added time is the part which is no longer valid, and as already stated your present passport will expire 10 years after the issue date.
That is correct but I believe there is also a minimum amount of time (I think 6 months) that your passport has to be valid for beyond your planned leaving date
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Originally Posted by Expatrick
Yes they do.
Yes and no. The maximum ten year validity is an ICAO standard. The EU applies this rule to third countries but not member states.
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Originally Posted by Peter_in_Hungary
That is correct but I believe there is also a minimum amount of time (I think 6 months) that your passport has to be valid for beyond your planned leaving date
It depends on the individual country but typically it’s three months. Check the FCDO travel advice for the country in question.
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Originally Posted by BritInParis
Yes and no. The maximum ten year validity is an ICAO standard. The EU applies this rule to third countries but not member states.
Which is the change to UK passports, arising from Brexit - nothing to do with ICAO.

One of the most amusing things about Brexiteers is that when something changes due to Brexit, they all claim that actually nothing has changed as a result of Brexit. Makes you wonder why they bothered!

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Default Re: Passports, new rules post brexit.

Originally Posted by Expatrick
Which is the change to UK passports, arising from Brexit - nothing to do with ICAO.

One of the most amusing things about Brexiteers is that when something changes due to Brexit, they all claim that actually nothing has changed as a result of Brexit. Makes you wonder why they bothered!
No-one made such a claim on this thread. The standards are set by the ICAO. The EU directs member states on how to implement them. The change to British passports was prompted by Brexit, the rules themselves were pre-existing.
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