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Old Jan 6th 2020, 9:35 pm
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Hi all,

I'm new here, found this site while trying to acquire information on the web in relation to what I need to move to Hungary.

I'm looking for information / advice / tips and to be corrected on anything I state that is false.

Let's start off with some background info and what my plans are.

Background Info
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I'm a UK National, lived in the UK for 27 years since birth.
Currently I'm a Software Engineer / Programmer.
Have a Hungarian wife, we're expecting a son in a few weeks.
My wife has been in the UK for 8 years, her mother and siblings joined her 3 years ago(They plan to go back at some point).

I've always thought of leaving the UK at some point myself, my dad is from India and mother is from Myanmar.
so I thought I could go move to Asia somewhere.
But then I visited North Italy / Austria and thought of moving to Austria, but last year I went to Hungary for the first time.
I visited Budapest but also Pécs and stayed over for some time at my Father In laws house, which is in a Village.
I fell in love with the simpler, slower life of the Village, it reminded me of Village life back in India, been over a Decade since I've been there.
I've also always loved the Idea of being self sufficient, living off the land.

The Plan
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Ok so the plan is, I would like to buy a property on some decent size land (2500-4000 sq m), use it as our Holiday home for the next 5 years, then move into it permanently after that.
So yes I plan to live in Hungary Permanently in around 5 years, but I want to get things rolling.
Also the plan is to rebuild the house at some point, most likely by just dismantling the old one and starting new.
I'm aware that if buying a house on MY name, I'm able to buy a house with land up to maximum 6000 sq m, the house must be registered as residential and not a farm house.
I also need to have a Registration Card to purchase a house on MY name.
But since my wife is a Hungarian National, if I was to buy it on her name, then I can buy what ever House or Property I wanted right?
Also how would this then all work if I wanted to put the Property / Land on OUR name?

Even if I was to buy the house on my Wife's name, since that would be easier and faster currently, which is fine, eventually once I plan to move to Hungary Permanently, I'd need to get a Registration Card or a Residence Permit(Once UK leaves EU) anyways.


Registration Card / Certificate
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So this Registration Card is Eluding me...I'm confused about a few details.

I understand that if I was to move to Hungary today, I could just apply for a job, apply for a Lakcinkártya ( Address card, let's say at my Father In Laws Address ) and that would be enough?

But since I don't plan to do that, I plan to move to Hungary in 5 years time and want to get things rolling now, in terms of getting Land / House etc...How do I go about applying for a Registration Card / Certificate now?

As far as I have read, you need:-

DOCUMENTS IN PROOF OF SUFFICIENT FINANCIAL RESOURCES
The applicant may verify of having sufficient means of subsistence with his/her financial assets or any regular income he/she receives in the form of:
payments from the social security or social assistance system of any EEA Member State;
Does that mean I just need Payslips from what I'm earning here in the UK currently?

DOCUMENTS PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF HEALTH INSURANCE
The EEA national’s access to health insurance services (in particular on the basis of specific other legislation on the social security system, international agreement, or under specific agreement) throughout his/her stay in Hungary shall be verified by the relevant documents, or that he/she has the financial resources to cover the costs of such services.
European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) be enough?

REGISTRATION OF THE FIRST RESIDENCE IN HUNGARY
The applicant shall notify his/her first residence in the territory of Hungary in the context of the procedure for the issue of a registration certificate. The immigration authority shall disclose the address data of the EEA national to the register of personal data and address records for the purpose of issuing an official certificate for personal identification number and official address card. Upon receipt of notice, the Government Agency of the City of Budapest shall issue the official address card, and shall send it to the applicant by post.
I guess this Lakcinkártya / Address Card, which I can get from being registered at my Father In Laws House.


Other Options
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So I'm aware the other option instead of a Registration Card / Certificate is to start a Company registered in Hungary and fill in yearly tax returns.

But other than that, what else can I do to get things rolling?


To summarise
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I want to move to Hungary in around 5 years, but I want to purchase a Property with around 4000 sq m plot soon-ish.
I understand that Brexit will change things.
I'm happy to buy the property on my wife's name.
I'm wondering what I need to apply for a Registration Card / Certificate without currently living in Hungary and having a job or earning an income within Hungary.
If I acquire the Registration Card now, even without spending time in Hungary, after 3 years will I be able to apply for a Hungarian Passport / Permanent Residency Card Since I'm married to a Hungarian National with a Hungarian passport.
I know that I need to pass an exam in the Native Language (I've already started learning Hungarian)













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Old Jan 7th 2020, 11:12 am
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Respectfully, your NOT going to get any response to your questions the way you posted on this thread . place them so the readers can see what you wrote. The way you have formatted your thread leads one to believe that your thread has links to malicious spam or porn and no one will bother clicking on the boxes to view your questions. Also...Respectfully, search will be your friend...the Hungarian page does NOT have many active participants. Make it easy on yourself and forum participants if you expect a reply.
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Hi
i think If You have a hungarian wife, it should be easy for her to find out local laws /regulations etc...on internet or on the phone.
Not sure how things will change after brexit..
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Old Jan 7th 2020, 2:42 pm
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Thanks for the advice, I'll change the format.
The reason I used Spoiler tags, was so I wouldn't scare everyone away with a wall of text
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Thanks for the advice, I'll change the format.
The reason I used Spoiler tags, was so I wouldn't scare everyone away with a wall of text
You won't scare anyone off with a large body of text as long as it is understandable. I am by no means an expert at these relocation things but there an expat assistance site on Facebook by a company called Interrelo hopefully no one will mind if I post the link. It is run by a nice chap by the name of Stuart. You should at least visit his firms FB and see if some of your questions are already answered. He was a Godsend helping us get a couple major issues sorted. You don't have to use his firms services but his site is a good starting point for answering some of your questions if you don't get an answer on the BE expats forum.

https://hu-hu.facebook.com/Inter.Rel...Expat.Support/
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Hello and Welcome. As far as I am aware you do not need to be registered to buy a house (not sure after Brexit). When we bought our house we did not move to Hungary for several months and as an EU resident I was entitled to purchase the property. Once you stay here if you are here for more than 90 days then you need to register with the immigration office and get your address card etc...
If you wish to work in Hungary then outside of Budapest you really need to be able to speak hungarian. You might get away with it if the company is a big multinational but those jobs will be much less common. Having said that I did teach English in a school as part of an English department!
If you do wish to work then I would research carefully where you want to live.
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Thank you Jack I'll definitely visit that Facebook page.
I took your advice and Searched for some posts, got some decent Information already.

Also thanks cathy, I'm not too concerned about buying a property on my name currently, since I can buy it on my wife's name...
y main objective currently to find out if I'm able to apply for a Registration Card without making a living in Hungary.
I basically want to see if I can apply for the Registration Card / Certificate / Residence Permit now(while it's easy before Brexit), continue making a living in the UK, then move to Hungary in 3-5 years.
But since I have a Hungarian Wife, doesn't seem like it'll be that difficult to apply even after Brexit.

Also another question is, if I do manage to get the Registration Card / Certificate / Residence Permit now, then in 3-5 years time, even though I've not lived in Hungary during that time.....
would I be able to take the TEST and apply for Hungarian Citizenship / Passport / Permanent Resident Card.



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Old Jan 7th 2020, 7:41 pm
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My understanding is that you would have to have ‘lawfully resided’ in Hungary for three years prior to applying for citizenship therefore you would not be able to apply for citizenship in the circumstances you describe. I am not a 100% sure but I believe people who split their time between here and the Uk do have registration cards etc. Hopefully someone who does this can advise you.....
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Respectfully, if you're not living in Hungary then it is playing the system to try to get a Residence card - as you are not resident. Not only that but I doubt you'd be successful! However, all the best with your family and future plans.
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IMO, when we several years ago applied for residency we were living in Hungary(only residence) and applied with all documents necessary including copies of bank accounts (current/savings/proof of incoming monies) so you could prove you can afford to live here. There are many people here who are fortunate to have houses in the UK and Hungary who have residency cards for Hungary that do not live here in Hungary for 6 months. As for playing the system, that's life sometimes, nothing ventured nothing gained.
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Originally Posted by Xegro View Post

Also thanks cathy, I'm not too concerned about buying a property on my name currently, since I can buy it on my wife's name...
y main objective currently to find out if I'm able to apply for a Registration Card without making a living in Hungary.
I basically want to see if I can apply for the Registration Card / Certificate / Residence Permit now(while it's easy before Brexit), continue making a living in the UK, then move to Hungary in 3-5 years.
But since I have a Hungarian Wife, doesn't seem like it'll be that difficult to apply even after Brexit.
What are you actually wanting to do?
If it is 'just' to get a residency card prior to Brexit then you either have until 31st January or the 31st December to start the process depending upon the rules (I think you will have until December since lots of things stay the same (including freedom of movement) until the end of the implementation period - but then what do I know!) IMO getting it started by end of Jan is a tall order, for a start you will need an address here with the fact of that address signed by the landlord / owner.

If your wife is Hungarian I don't think that you will have a problem whenever you decide to come to Hungary - irrespective of Brexit. Your wife declares she is returning to Hungary (and gets a new ID card/passport if hers has expired) and gets permission for her husband at the same time. This can be done through an embassy.

As some bed-time reading you might try

Residence in Hungary

It is the Hungarian government web site detailing residency matters including

Information on Brexit

which is a bit specifically about Brexit but if you dig deep enough into the site there is probably a bit about the spouse of a Hungarian
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Originally Posted by Xegro View Post
Also another question is, if I do manage to get the Registration Card / Certificate / Residence Permit now, then in 3-5 years time, even though I've not lived in Hungary during that time.....
would I be able to take the TEST and apply for Hungarian Citizenship / Passport / Permanent Resident Card.
You will NOT be able to get a Residency card and keep it unless you are actually living here in Hungary full time and they do seem to ferret out people trying to game the system. Don't be surprised when you get an unannounced visit from the immigration folks after you lodge an application, they will at some point likely pay you an in home visit to ensure you actually reside where you say you reside and it is suitable for habitation and they will ask you a few questions to verify the truthfulness of your application. In the time we have been here they have visited twice. They were very nice and spoke excellent English. We gave them no reason for concern and our paperwork was approved in less than 30 days each time. I think it is just part of their process and not anything we said or did.
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We were visited & interviewed about 4 months after our arrival. Again, very easy & straightforward.
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Many years ago I also got a residency card without any problems - I had to prove that I own a house here, have a bank account, pay my village tax etc.
Of course I still have my primary residence in Germany - that's not a problem in the EU. I know many people who have two residences, some even both in Germany.
In 2014 before the elections for the EP I even got a letter asking whether I would like to vote in Hungary - they would have informed the Germans then so I couldn't vote twice.
Also OTP (the bank) writes me regularly about this - no problem as long as you pay your taxes (somewhere) ...
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- no problem as long as you pay your taxes (somewhere) ...
If you have to pay tax........as a resident of Hungary pensions are not taxed !!
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