Land/Plot measurements
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Land/Plot measurements
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How is land/plot measurement calculated in Hungary?
I've seen a plot of land for sale. It's 2,300 sq.m. according to the Elado sign! Looking at the length and width it looks similar size to my mother-in-law's plot which is 600 sq.m. A friend who knows the owner mentioned the plot is 640 sq.m.
Looking at the local council land mapping 2,300 sq.m. would mean the boundary at the end goes much much further but the local mapping I've been looking at shows some properties seem to have extended their plots. The price seems right for 640 sq.m.
How is land/plot measurement calculated in Hungary?
I've seen a plot of land for sale. It's 2,300 sq.m. according to the Elado sign! Looking at the length and width it looks similar size to my mother-in-law's plot which is 600 sq.m. A friend who knows the owner mentioned the plot is 640 sq.m.
Looking at the local council land mapping 2,300 sq.m. would mean the boundary at the end goes much much further but the local mapping I've been looking at shows some properties seem to have extended their plots. The price seems right for 640 sq.m.
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There was a thread recently on here about surveys and boundaries if I remember correctly. IF you are considering the purchase of a plot please have a proper survey conducted. It was about a guy who purchased a property and the fence was in the wrong place and there was troubles with a neighbor that thought the guy was trying to take more land than was his because he either was a schemer or just assumed the boundary was at the fence.
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There was a thread recently on here about surveys and boundaries if I remember correctly. IF you are considering the purchase of a plot please have a proper survey conducted. It was about a guy who purchased a property and the fence was in the wrong place and there was troubles with a neighbor that thought the guy was trying to take more land than was his because he either was a schemer or just assumed the boundary was at the fence.
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Yes, I just remembered that. The local council land/plot mapping is a good starting point but once we decide there's potential, will request copies of the plot from the owner, check for any discrepancies and get a land survey to confirm all the existing fencing is in the correct place. Might have a full walkaround it tomorrow.
A lot of property in Hungary has historical baggage. The fact that someones fence is in a certain place or that they use a bit of land at the end of their garden as grazing, orchard or veggie plot doesn't guarantee they own it. Check it out in the Land Office. It is free to look (and it is public information) but costs if you want something printed. Officially measuring the plot can be expensive so get an idea first by pacing it out or with a long tape measure.
Is there a house of any condition on the plot? Is the plot within the village boundaries? If not then infrastructure can be prohibitively expensive or impossible. If there is no house on the plot then check the local development plan to make sure you will be able to build on the plot.
Buying property here is buyer beware, solicitors don't do searches like in England - basically you have to do your own.
Usually only one solicitor is used for property purchase (paid for by the purchaser), they draw up the contracts for both parties. Their job is to ensure the contract is legal, it is not their job to protect either side!
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The "plot" might consist of two parts:
Those 640 square meters inside the village plus agricultural space.
The hint you got is right. I think it was an Austrian ruler who introduced the "Grundbuch" here which contains all info.
Like if the owner hasn't paid taxes it gets noted there.
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You also have to be careful - as a foreigner, are you allowed to buy this?
We had a case where after the contract was sent to the office other (Hungarian) interested people might have bought this at the same price.
It can get very complicated - get a good lawyer!
Those 640 square meters inside the village plus agricultural space.
The hint you got is right. I think it was an Austrian ruler who introduced the "Grundbuch" here which contains all info.
Like if the owner hasn't paid taxes it gets noted there.
PS:
You also have to be careful - as a foreigner, are you allowed to buy this?
We had a case where after the contract was sent to the office other (Hungarian) interested people might have bought this at the same price.
It can get very complicated - get a good lawyer!
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Re: Land/Plot measurements
The "plot" might consist of two parts:
Those 640 square meters inside the village plus agricultural space.
The hint you got is right. I think it was an Austrian ruler who introduced the "Grundbuch" here which contains all info.
Like if the owner hasn't paid taxes it gets noted there.
PS:
You also have to be careful - as a foreigner, are you allowed to buy this?
We had a case where after the contract was sent to the office other (Hungarian) interested people might have bought this at the same price.
It can get very complicated - get a good lawyer!
Those 640 square meters inside the village plus agricultural space.
The hint you got is right. I think it was an Austrian ruler who introduced the "Grundbuch" here which contains all info.
Like if the owner hasn't paid taxes it gets noted there.
PS:
You also have to be careful - as a foreigner, are you allowed to buy this?
We had a case where after the contract was sent to the office other (Hungarian) interested people might have bought this at the same price.
It can get very complicated - get a good lawyer!
The right to buy (by someone else) only applies to agricultural land (unless it is in joint ownership where the other owner(s) also have the right to buy)
If it is agricultural land if you are not a registered land user you are limited to owning 1ha. If a couple buy the land between themselves then it is combined 2ha.
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I'm feeling quite frustrated because similar threads have come up on here before and from those posts I've gleaned knowledge, awareness and know-how but it's been proving difficult to move anything forward. Sometimes I get the impression no one listens to me when I try to explain about things I've learnt from this forum. Instead too much talking goes on, too many unnecessary phone calls are made and nothing happens. I suppose at the end of the day some people are good at finding out information, taking action, getting things moving and others absolutely hopeless! A very good deaf local couple have been a great help, took me to buy a car, helped replace roof tiles, removed multiple tree stumps, converted gazebo to car port, drove us around the village to look for 'Elado' signs, etc.
I will mention to my wife about where we can get the plot details from. She will mention to her sister-in-law but I think we will be better off doing it ourselves.
I will mention to my wife about where we can get the plot details from. She will mention to her sister-in-law but I think we will be better off doing it ourselves.
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Re: Land/Plot measurements
I'm feeling quite frustrated because similar threads have come up on here before and from those posts I've gleaned knowledge, awareness and know-how but it's been proving difficult to move anything forward. Sometimes I get the impression no one listens to me when I try to explain about things I've learnt from this forum. Instead too much talking goes on, too many unnecessary phone calls are made and nothing happens. I suppose at the end of the day some people are good at finding out information, taking action, getting things moving and others absolutely hopeless! A very good deaf local couple have been a great help, took me to buy a car, helped replace roof tiles, removed multiple tree stumps, converted gazebo to car port, drove us around the village to look for 'Elado' signs, etc.I will mention to my wife about where we can get the plot details from. She will mention to her sister-in-law but I think we will be better off doing it ourselves.
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Jack_Russels4ever - you are spot on. I love it here too. I don't miss the UK at all except Match of the Day!
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Re: Land/Plot measurements
I think I have got to the bottom of the plot size.
2.300 sq.m. is correct. Confusion happened because my wife told me her mother's plot is 600 sq.m. but it is actually 600 squares (600 x egy öl). Egy öl = 1.89x1.89 = 3.6 sq.m . So 2.300 sq.m. divided by 3.60 sq.m. = 640 öl(squares).
Still going to the office to get information. Things were getting a bit heated between me and the wife. I'm the mathematician and worked in management accounting for 37 years so knew there must be a logical explanation, a formula or measurement used to arrive at 640.
2.300 sq.m. is correct. Confusion happened because my wife told me her mother's plot is 600 sq.m. but it is actually 600 squares (600 x egy öl). Egy öl = 1.89x1.89 = 3.6 sq.m . So 2.300 sq.m. divided by 3.60 sq.m. = 640 öl(squares).
Still going to the office to get information. Things were getting a bit heated between me and the wife. I'm the mathematician and worked in management accounting for 37 years so knew there must be a logical explanation, a formula or measurement used to arrive at 640.
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I think I have got to the bottom of the plot size.
2.300 sq.m. is correct. Confusion happened because my wife told me her mother's plot is 600 sq.m. but it is actually 600 squares (600 x egy öl). Egy öl = 1.89x1.89 = 3.6 sq.m . So 2.300 sq.m. divided by 3.60 sq.m. = 640 öl(squares).
Still going to the office to get information. Things were getting a bit heated between me and the wife. I'm the mathematician and worked in management accounting for 37 years so knew there must be a logical explanation, a formula or measurement used to arrive at 640.
2.300 sq.m. is correct. Confusion happened because my wife told me her mother's plot is 600 sq.m. but it is actually 600 squares (600 x egy öl). Egy öl = 1.89x1.89 = 3.6 sq.m . So 2.300 sq.m. divided by 3.60 sq.m. = 640 öl(squares).
Still going to the office to get information. Things were getting a bit heated between me and the wife. I'm the mathematician and worked in management accounting for 37 years so knew there must be a logical explanation, a formula or measurement used to arrive at 640.
Are you absolutely sure the plot is 2300 sq m because if I'm correct that's approximately half an acre? I have 2673 sq m of land and looking at photos of your MIL's house and plot it doesn't appear to be nearly that much.
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I had to get my land surveyed because I wanted to build a sewage holding tank on the property. My son drew up the original plan for the tank then took it along to The Land Registry Office in Encs where one of the surveyors checked it and added it to the plot an accurate copy that they already had.
Are you absolutely sure the plot is 2300 sq m because if I'm correct that's approximately half an acre? I have 2673 sq m of land and looking at photos of your MIL's house and plot it doesn't appear to be nearly that much.
Are you absolutely sure the plot is 2300 sq m because if I'm correct that's approximately half an acre? I have 2673 sq m of land and looking at photos of your MIL's house and plot it doesn't appear to be nearly that much.
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I think I have got to the bottom of the plot size.
2.300 sq.m. is correct. Confusion happened because my wife told me her mother's plot is 600 sq.m. but it is actually 600 squares (600 x egy öl). Egy öl = 1.89x1.89 = 3.6 sq.m . So 2.300 sq.m. divided by 3.60 sq.m. = 640 öl(squares).
Still going to the office to get information. Things were getting a bit heated between me and the wife. I'm the mathematician and worked in management accounting for 37 years so knew there must be a logical explanation, a formula or measurement used to arrive at 640.
2.300 sq.m. is correct. Confusion happened because my wife told me her mother's plot is 600 sq.m. but it is actually 600 squares (600 x egy öl). Egy öl = 1.89x1.89 = 3.6 sq.m . So 2.300 sq.m. divided by 3.60 sq.m. = 640 öl(squares).
Still going to the office to get information. Things were getting a bit heated between me and the wife. I'm the mathematician and worked in management accounting for 37 years so knew there must be a logical explanation, a formula or measurement used to arrive at 640.