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Old Jul 18th 2022, 10:32 pm
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HiMy partner and I are wanting to move to France in approximately one year's timeWe've chosen the Dordogne area as we've enjoyed holidays thereWe understand stand there are lots of things to consider but my first question is how much of a demand is there out there for plasterers?
I'd be looking more at the domestic scene if possible.I understand they use different materials out there and the technique would be different, but I lived and worked in Germany for 6 years so I'm used to lime products etcThanks in advance
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Old Jul 18th 2022, 11:14 pm
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Yes it is mainly plasterboarding, plaque de plâtre.
Brits used to tend to want UK style plastering when they first arrived in France and did their renos, but since Brexit that will likely be a smaller market. But if you can offer what French clients want there is usually plenty of demand for good artisans. Setting up a business in France is not for the faint-hearted which keeps the number of providers down.
Do you have an EU passport and EU qualifications? If so it will be easier; administratively. You say you worked in Germany for 6 years, was that as a plasterer? If so it should hopefully be accepted by the chambre de métiers as professional experience in lieu of qualifications, in case you only have UK qualis which likely won't be accepted. Experience in the UK may no longer be accepted since the UK is no longer an EU country.
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Thanks for your response Euro TrashYes I was working in Germany,mainly machine plastering and doing the external insulation systems
I have qualifications for the UK,but not from Germany
I'd hoped to join up with other British spreads and work with them initially,and then branch out on my own
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Old Jul 19th 2022, 1:13 am
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Fair enough.
I think if you don't have EU qualis the Chambre de métiers will be looking for 3 years relevant experience in the EU in order to give you the the ok to register your own business. So if you can get a salaried position in France for 3 years that should do it if you don't have any papers to prove your work in Germany. However, does one of you have an EU passport or will you need visas and whatnot? because if you would need your employer to apply for authorisation for you to work in France it would make that route more complicated. Not sure it would be possible to advertise a job for a plasterer on Pole Emploi for two months or however long it has to stay up for, without getting any suitable French/EU applicants. But I'm guessing your partner is German?
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As ET is subtly saying-the situation with working in the EU for Brits has changed completely-ie if you do not hold an EU passport or are married to an EU passport holder (but even then it is the EU passport holder which will have to have a" statut" before you can benefit) then you are going to need a Visa and if you want to work you will have to set up a business (and jump through hoops to prove skills etc) or get a job as an employee-in which case it will be your employer that applies for it and show that they have not been to employ an EU worker.
So the first thing is to do is to check whether you can move here and if you need a Visa
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Plastering internally here does include wet plasters known as plâtre comes in court and long amongst other. It’s great for filling big holes as it sets so fast sparkies use it like expand foam as it is good for fixing cable conduits and socket and switch boxes in the wall.

that aside it’s used as a higher end finish these days

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I'm only wanting to be working three days a week as I'm in my fifties now and slowing things down a little.
So I'm guessing that all the relevant paperwork would be required even though I would not be working full time?
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I'm only wanting to be working three days a week as I'm in my fifties now and slowing things down a little.
So I'm guessing that all the relevant paperwork would be required even though I would not be working full time?
Hi, and welcome to the forum from me!
As asked, has your partner got EU nationality? Even then, some one will come along to say whether a "partner" can be considered as a spouse, but normally France isn't very partner-friendly on the administrative front. If not, then you both need separate Visas, with all that that entails....
The good news is that you've got time to research Visas, job opportunities, etc... "Les Pages Jaunes" will give an idea of the number of plastering enterprises in the Dordogne. Where exactly were you planning to settle? Taking holidays in a place isn't the same as actually living there, with all the practical nitty-gritty to cope with. Also, how is your French?
Good luck with your decision!
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I'm only wanting to be working three days a week as I'm in my fifties now and slowing things down a little.
So I'm guessing that all the relevant paperwork would be required even though I would not be working full time?
Unfortunately, as dmu says, there really isn't a lot of point in us trying to advise without knowing your situation.
If you don't need a visa, coming to France to slow down and work three days a week is fine.
If you do need a visa, you risk falling between two stools. To successfully apply for a work visa you are normally expected to work full time and you will be required to demonstrate a certain minimum level of income. If you apply for a non working visa you are not allowed to work at all. The days of freedom of movement when Brits could move to France and live partly off of savings and investments and partly off a bit of spare time work, ended with Brexit.
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Apologies for lack of information
we are both British passport holders and plan to get married before moving there .
My partner speaks French, good,but not fluent ,I'm in the process of learning itWe are hoping to settle in the sarlat region of the Dordogne
As I mentioned earlier I'm not looking to be working full time out there but as you mentioned that might not be possible in the Brexit eraWe're financially secure so that would not be an issue,it's just the knowing weather we can make the move without it being far to much hassle than its worth
Once again thanks for the advice
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A bit off topic, but I thought you'd find this discussion interesting..... From Portugal

plastering v dry lining at 42 degrees heat

Re working I think you might be implying that you do a few jobs a week for 2-3 days. Kind of doing it 'on the black' ... It is illegal but happens everywhere, of course.

If you can get your residency through other ways, then its an option, to bring in 'a few bob' as long as you are aware of any risks... Good to know that you are financially OK in your 50's

Good luck
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Re working I think you might be implying that you do a few jobs a week for 2-3 days. Kind of doing it 'on the black' ... It is illegal but happens everywhere, of course.
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It does but (a) when the locals do it they are not risking the same consequences because they're bending fewer laws and (b) if that's the case, they're not helping their cause discussing it on a public forum. It's noticeable how many Brits are openly discussing on social media working on the visa waiver and working after they've officially promised as part of the visa process that they won't work. Call me paranoid but France does monitor social media and if it appears to the authorities that there is widespread abuse, they are going to take action.
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It does but (a) when the locals do it they are not risking the same consequences because they're bending fewer laws and (b) if that's the case, they're not helping their cause discussing it on a public forum. It's noticeable how many Brits are openly discussing on social media working on the visa waiver and working after they've officially promised as part of the visa process that they won't work. Call me paranoid but France does monitor social media and if it appears to the authorities that there is widespread abuse, they are going to take action.
Of course, its why I mentioned that the risks have to be understood. Cant then complain if you are nabbed.

However as inflation hits, and theres less money in the pocket, perhaps even a rising tax burden, this could become more widespread... I'd even go as far as to say its pretty widespread right now, across Europe and isn't (+ wont be) a huge surprise to the authorities.

I hope people dont promote these illegal services on social media though!!! All the more reason not to complain if nabbed!

Happy 21 July from Belgium, its our National day....

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I'd even go as far as to say its pretty widespread right now, across Europe and isn't (+ wont be) a huge surprise to the authorities.
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The thing is France has an entire department that looks into labour related issues, and within that department is a section that specialises in labour related issues involving foreign workers.
As an example, a number of years back they identified that posted worker fraud was rife and especially by UK companies, so they had a crackdown on that, and many UK employers who used to send posted workers to France were investigated and some of them were sanctioned.
If they see evidence that a lot of Brits are working without the correct paperwork, that's likely to be the focus of a future crackdown.
Which is all well and good but they spread their net wide, and it's stressful and unpleasant process for those who get investigated and have to produce all kinds of documentation to clear themselves. Not to mention that people sometimes get picked up and fined for minor breaches that would never have been noticed if they hadn't been put under the microscope in the first place.

I'm saying this as a Brit who is legitimately working in France and doesn't want to start getting letters asking to see this or that piece of paper. You may say that's a selfish way of looking at it but I would say the opposite, it's the ones who come along and do what they like and stir up hassle, that are being selfish.

Here's a report on the results of the posted worker crackdown https://www.batiactu.com/edito/ou-es...ache-61811.php
- over 35,000 investigations resulting in 1,200 fines totalling 6.8m euros.

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France is a lot more efficient at chasing anyone who is working "on the black" and the penalties can be severe.
It is even more so in a post-Brexit world because someone who is resident on a visa and breaks the law can have their visa withdrawn and be asked to leave the country as well as being fined.
Remember, in France, you have to prove your innocence and not the other way round as in the UK.
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