Ping le Plumber
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Ping le Plumber
Hi,
Is there any reason why the it's difficult to find wood burning stoves with back boilers over here?
Cheers
Is there any reason why the it's difficult to find wood burning stoves with back boilers over here?
Cheers
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Chaudière It`s not something brico shops carry as fitting them is beyond your average diy`er as safety valves, pumps and thermostats are needed in most installations to meet current regs.
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Even specialist fireplace/stove shops don't seem to carry them, asked this morning in one, and the guy behind the counter said simply the director doesn't want to do those type. This seems to be pretty standard from leroymerlin to the specialist shops.
I've found them online such as;
http://www.cashin-france.com/fonte_eco_409.php
but damned if I can find a shop locally that wants to sell me one
I've found them online such as;
http://www.cashin-france.com/fonte_eco_409.php
but damned if I can find a shop locally that wants to sell me one
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Re: Ping le Plumber
Even specialist fireplace/stove shops don't seem to carry them, asked this morning in one, and the guy behind the counter said simply the director doesn't want to do those type. This seems to be pretty standard from leroymerlin to the specialist shops.
I've found them online such as;
http://www.cashin-france.com/fonte_eco_409.php
but damned if I can find a shop locally that wants to sell me one
I've found them online such as;
http://www.cashin-france.com/fonte_eco_409.php
but damned if I can find a shop locally that wants to sell me one
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Hi, your Insurance would want to see a professional's bill (installation and annual chimney sweeping) if ever you have to claim for fire- or water-damage...
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As suggested, try the plumbers merchants, certainly dont waste your time going to the DIY sheds as you'll just get that blank WTF look
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Don't think its that difficult - but I doubt you'll find them in the DIY sheds. The french term for a backboiler is bouilleur - Godin, do them but I have yet to see a Jotul one.
As suggested, try the plumbers merchants, certainly dont waste your time going to the DIY sheds as you'll just get that blank WTF look
As suggested, try the plumbers merchants, certainly dont waste your time going to the DIY sheds as you'll just get that blank WTF look
Not too worried about the water side installation having re-plumbed virtually my whole house and installed the boiler, but the price is making us thing whether it's worth while or not.
The most basic starts at around 4k, which when compared to a bog standard stove unit is a fair bit.
Thanks anyway for the info.
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Found this via ebay, it may help
http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...ectorid=229480
http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...ectorid=229480
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Thanks soo much for taking the time to look for that, that's almost ideal. I'm not looking for anything to fancy just basically something heat a large living room 50m2 with a back boiler that I can pass through the heating coil of the hot water tank.
What I have seen doesn't run at pressure and the water pressure in my oil fired boiler runs around 1.5bar, though haven't looked too far into the details of linking a stove back boiler to the whole heating circuit. Though if anyone has any experience would be glad to hear of it.
What I have seen doesn't run at pressure and the water pressure in my oil fired boiler runs around 1.5bar, though haven't looked too far into the details of linking a stove back boiler to the whole heating circuit. Though if anyone has any experience would be glad to hear of it.
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Thanks soo much for taking the time to look for that, that's almost ideal. I'm not looking for anything to fancy just basically something heat a large living room 50m2 with a back boiler that I can pass through the heating coil of the hot water tank.
What I have seen doesn't run at pressure and the water pressure in my oil fired boiler runs around 1.5bar, though haven't looked too far into the details of linking a stove back boiler to the whole heating circuit. Though if anyone has any experience would be glad to hear of it.
What I have seen doesn't run at pressure and the water pressure in my oil fired boiler runs around 1.5bar, though haven't looked too far into the details of linking a stove back boiler to the whole heating circuit. Though if anyone has any experience would be glad to hear of it.
Her system uses a pump to circulate hot water produced in back-boiler and it was necessary to install 2 additional radiators to provide an "open circuit" for excess hot water in case of power failure on the pump.
If you are doing the plumbing yourself then you should check that excess heat has somewhere to go if there is a problem like power loss.
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Cheers for the heads up. I'm a bit old school in that even though I have a bypass and safety release valve, I was always told to have a couple of radiators not on thermostats, and I have one in the garage and one in a small bathroom always open. Though I have gone overkill, but that only to take the stress off the expansion tank.
In the event of a power failure the heat is too localised to be mitigated by radiators further down the system, the only surefire security is a safety valve linked to a drain which releases pressure at X degrees or pressure.
At the moment I'm just looking at seeing how I can turn my hot water tank from the oil boiler into a "ballon tampon" but I don't think it will work as it doesn't have the water capacity to be effective so means another outlay if I do install a back boiler.
Beginning to feel like it's going to be an expensive ballache, but still in love with the idea of a fire ticking over keeping radiators warm and heating the hot water.
Where I live I just have to go the local mairie and they will let us look after some of the woodland on the Jura, and we get to chop down a tree or two every year, so basically free wood. And what with all the neighbours doing it, they go up in a gang for a couple of weekends in September, chop down the marked trees, A couple bring up tractors couple bring up winches and chain saws, wood splitters etc and everyone gets stuck in.
Again cheers for the thoughts etc.
In the event of a power failure the heat is too localised to be mitigated by radiators further down the system, the only surefire security is a safety valve linked to a drain which releases pressure at X degrees or pressure.
At the moment I'm just looking at seeing how I can turn my hot water tank from the oil boiler into a "ballon tampon" but I don't think it will work as it doesn't have the water capacity to be effective so means another outlay if I do install a back boiler.
Beginning to feel like it's going to be an expensive ballache, but still in love with the idea of a fire ticking over keeping radiators warm and heating the hot water.
Where I live I just have to go the local mairie and they will let us look after some of the woodland on the Jura, and we get to chop down a tree or two every year, so basically free wood. And what with all the neighbours doing it, they go up in a gang for a couple of weekends in September, chop down the marked trees, A couple bring up tractors couple bring up winches and chain saws, wood splitters etc and everyone gets stuck in.
Again cheers for the thoughts etc.
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My daughter has just fitted similar in UK and found that the installers really didn't know how to install properly.
Her system uses a pump to circulate hot water produced in back-boiler and it was necessary to install 2 additional radiators to provide an "open circuit" for excess hot water in case of power failure on the pump.
If you are doing the plumbing yourself then you should check that excess heat has somewhere to go if there is a problem like power loss.
Her system uses a pump to circulate hot water produced in back-boiler and it was necessary to install 2 additional radiators to provide an "open circuit" for excess hot water in case of power failure on the pump.
If you are doing the plumbing yourself then you should check that excess heat has somewhere to go if there is a problem like power loss.
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I only have one on the current system, that's for over pressure as the boiler has two thermostats. But throwing a stove back boiler into the mix as you and everyone says is a whole different ball game.
I think getting a "ballon tampon" is the way forward and means I can easily combine the two systems at different pressures, and even think about adding solar heating panels in a year or two.
I think getting a "ballon tampon" is the way forward and means I can easily combine the two systems at different pressures, and even think about adding solar heating panels in a year or two.