Pass Sanitaire - 9th August 2021
 

As from today, we must present a Pass Sanitaire (proving double-vaccination and/or negative PCR test and/or recovery from Covid), in order to be allowed into restaurants, cinemas, museums, longish-distance trains, ... and many other places where many people are grouped together. There'll be a period of tolerance this week, before fines are levied.
Those, like me, who haven't got a Smartphone smart enough for such apps, can download and print out their Certificate from the Ameli site.
Keep safe, all!

Re: Pass Sanitaire - 9th August 2021
 

The French TV news just confirmed that the Pass Sanitaire is also required to enter hospitals, etc..., e.g. for consultations, but not for emergencies.

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I got to use mine last weekend for an event (paper version, I'm not a big mobile phone user). I handed over my carte vitale as ID, as I wasn't carrying my passport, and they were okay with that - the lady said they're not the police, but they did require some form of ID to confirm the name.
After the 30th September, having a pass sanitaire won't help me much if I'm out with the family, as I won't be getting my children (11 and 12) vaccinated until there's much better evidence out there.

I went for a drink in the city last weekend, and asked the barman when the new protocol was coming in - he said they'll be checking from the 9th.
I also heard somebody say today, that they went to two places to eat, and neither of them asked for the pass sanitaire. I suspect a certain number of bars and restaurants won't check.

Re: Pass Sanitaire - 9th August 2021
 

Apparently the restaurants/bars will also be fined if it's discovered that a client hasn't got a Pass, so it's in their interest to check;)
I haven't got a link, but The Connexion has given a comprehensive list of all the venues where the Pass is compulsory.

Re: Pass Sanitaire - 9th August 2021
 

From what I've read subsequently it sounds like it won't be enforced too much this week (perhaps hence the laid back attitude), but will probably change from next week, so I suspect most places will be insisting on it.
I understand if a bar or restaurant doesn't check they can be fined, but is the individual fined as well, or is that only the case if they're using fraudulent passes?

Re: Pass Sanitaire - 9th August 2021
 

Both parties will be fined. The client without a Pass or with a fraudulent one, and the bar/resto owner/manager. The latter can't demand to see the client's ID, but, if suspicious, can call the Police, who is legally competent to do so.

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Thanks for the clarification DMU. So basically if you don't have the pass, but go to an event that should require it, but doesn't ask for it, you could potentially be in trouble.
I can't see many establishments or associations calling the police for ID checks though. Without seeing some form of ID, it would be so easy to use a copy of almost anybody's QR code. I suspect it will be easily abused until they adopt some other form of measure.

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I don't think it's a case of establishments or associations calling the police to do ID checks. I think this will be a routine thing that the police will do from now on, like they go round markets to check that stallholders have their paperwork in order. They will suddenly rock up at a café or restaurant and go round checking ID.
The café or restaurant won't be fined if they've accepted a fraudulent pass. They would be fined if they hadn't checked the person's pass, but the person produces a pass and the pass gives a green tick on the app, that's all they're required to check. I think the only places that will not check passes are the ones who are making a point of defying the law, the ones with posters outside saying that they object. Nobody is going to simply not bother to check, it's not like it's hard to do, and the fines for not bothering are sufficient to ensure compliance from everyone except hardline objectors.

Re: Pass Sanitaire - 9th August 2021
 

FWIW, on the way to visiting DD1 in Germany, I ate in a French restaurant indoors and no one asked to see my Pass Sanitaire. In fact the only times I had to produce it were at the Airport and in the French hotel where I stopped off on the way home. No more direct flights back and it was easier to return by train, but no one asked for the P.S. in the two trains which I took in France. Go figure....
(This isn't an invitation for the non-vaccinated to travel by train, on the off-chance of not being checked!)

Re: Pass Sanitaire - 9th August 2021
 

I seem to remember reading that SNCF had come to an agreement with the government that they did not have to check every passenger's pass, because they simply don't have the staff to do it..
My impression is that all the SNCF stations I have used, which is a grand total of three so not a massive sample, have had signs on all the entrance doors and on the platforms and plastered everywhere in the hall if there is one, saying that you must have a pass sanitaire. As you say they don't do systematic checks. I guess they rely on random swoops by the gendarmes to make people think twice about ignoring it.
In one train I was on, the ticket controller walked up and down and didn't ask to see any tickets but she seemed to be checking mask because she approached a chap in my carriage who was wearing his mask round his chin. He apologised profusely and immediately adjusted his mask.

Re: Pass Sanitaire - 9th August 2021
 

Wife did a long train journey last week and wasn't asked, but every terrace or place I've eaten at have insisted on it, and that's been in different areas of the country. Also needed it to climb to the top of an ancient tower within a town, which had just opened to the public and was free to enter.
It seems ironic you don't need it on the Paris metro, but then it would be a heck of job policing that.

The schools are now sending notes, asking for a parents signature to allow their 12 year old+ child to get vaccinated.

Re: Pass Sanitaire - 9th August 2021
 

I just this minute received an email from améli telling me I can book a booster as soon as it's 6 months since my second jab.

Re: Pass Sanitaire - 9th August 2021
 

How does that work for tourists who don't have a pass sanitaire?

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There is a thread about this where cyrian gave his/her experience of it. It's an ongoing thread so it will be near the top, maybe the next one down from this?
I think basically you use your NHS vaccination certificate and hope it works.

Re: Pass Sanitaire - 9th August 2021
 

OK thanks. I'm usually on the Portuguese thread, but I'm passing through France soon.

Re: Pass Sanitaire - 9th August 2021
 

If you live in Portugal, don't they issue the EU certificate with the QR code? That's what the French pass sanitaire is.

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Problem solved then yes we do have those. Thanks.

Re: Pass Sanitaire - 9th August 2021
 

Update on the Pass Sanitaire:
Prés. Macron announced yesterday evening that the over 65s and "vulnerable" must have the 3rd vaccination before 15th December 2021, for their present Pass Sanitaire to remain valid. I'll check whether those without a suitable Smartphone, who haven't received the paper EU Certificate from the CPAM, will still be allowed into restaurants, trains, etc.... after that date. Hopefully the paper Certificate issued after the vaccination will be sufficient....
I was intending to do my 3rd in December anyway (6 months after the 2nd), but it's too early to get a RV at the local Centre or a local pharmacie which is now listed on Doctolib.
(The Président also urged all those who haven't been vaccinated at all, to do so, but that goes without saying).

Re: Pass Sanitaire - 9th August 2021
 

Isn't it more a case of, after 15 December everybody must have the 3rd vaccination within a certain timeframe of the 2nd vaccination in order for their pass to remain valid.
If they didn't have 2nd second jab until say August, their 3rd jab won't be due until January at the earliest.

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Ref your second comment, in that case wouldn't the validity of their pass sanitaire kick off again as soon as the 3rd jab is completed?
I must agree though it's far from crystal clear.

Re: Pass Sanitaire - 9th August 2021
 

Well yes but it would be unfair to invalidate their pass in the first place wouldn't it? Being stranded without a valid pass from Dec 15th until whatever date you can get your booster, is going to leave them in limbo over Christmas for no reason whatsoever.
If a person was due their booster before 15th Dec and didn't get it, hence they are wandering round with waning immunity, then that is a different kettle of fish.
I take to mean that on 15th Dec, a computer process will be implemented that will cause passes to expire 6 months and 5 weeks (which seems funny way of saying it) after the date of the second jab if no booster has been recorded..

Re: Pass Sanitaire - 9th August 2021
 

Mine's actually due on 21st December, if you go by calender months, but I'll try to get a RV before the 15th and hope to get the paper EU Certificate before travelling by train over Christmas. But, at worst, I'll have the paper Certificat issued by the Vaccination Centre to present with my present Pass....
If I'd known, I would have overcome my resistance and had the first two right from the beginning and would have already had the third, before Macron's announcement....:unsure:

Re: Pass Sanitaire - 9th August 2021
 

Update: I had my 3rd dose this morning, in and out within 10 minutes. Since I'm not on anti-coagulants and didn't have a reaction to the first two, I didn't have to hang around for 15 minutes, and, as a bonus, instead of giving me a simple Attestation, they issued me with a proper EU Certificate, which saves me asking the CPAM for it.
Funnily enough, when I got home, I found a mail from Ameli reminding me to make an appointment for the 3rd dose.;)

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A new trainee starting working with a family member, and on her first day told her colleagues that she was unvaccinated and simply used her friend's pass sanitaire to socialise. I always suspected a lot of people do this - not the sort of thing you tell people you don't know though; I believe they bit their tongue but didn't approve.
I heard it all a few days ago when a friend of the wife told her that their friend had paid their doctor 300 euros under the counter, and got registered as having the two shots when they'd had none.

Re: Pass Sanitaire - 9th August 2021
 

I too received yesterday a reminder email from Ameli to get the 3rd jab, which I'd already had a week ago and assumed that the central dat base would have been updated within a day (or two max), as the pharmacien entered all relevant details into her terminal within minutes of giving us the 3rd jab and issuing the updated EU certificate pass.

Re: Pass Sanitaire - 9th August 2021
 

An earlier post said that you need the pass to get into hospitals. In the last 3 months I have had one routine and one emergency visit to my médicin traitaint, 5 visits to one clinique and one visit to another hospital/clinique. I have not been asked for my pass for any of these.
I went to a bar earlier this evening with a friend - 4th Wednesday in a row that we have gone there - and each time the owner scanned our passes.

Re: Pass Sanitaire - 9th August 2021
 

Weird about the hospital not asking for it!

But same here, re restos, one of our fave local restos apologises each time they ask for the pass, knowing we have it. She said she is obligated to do this each time She showed me the app, and there is a 'statistics' function that logs each time it is checked that day. Its anonymous (apparently) but the police can simply look at the stats, look at the numbers seated, and make an estimate of whether all have been checked. I very much doubt that local police would go that far, but she doesn't want to risk a fine. We therefore have no problems producing it again (or at any time)

However about half the bars/restos haven't asked for it. Lets see what happens after the 15th!

Jon