Hybrid baby, passports and the British embassy
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Hybrid baby, passports and the British embassy
If I have a baby who is half French/half English but born in France, taking my surname but not that of my partner (we're PACsed but not married), do I need to register them with the British Embassy (which is very expensive) for the purposes of travelling abroad (i.e. having a passport for the baby, or being able to add the baby to my own passport)? I read something on another forum, but the British Embassy makes for very confusing reading, and most people's situation involved babies born in France but from two British parents.
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Re: Hybrid baby, passports and the British embassy
If I have a baby who is half French/half English but born in France, taking my surname but not that of my partner (we're PACsed but not married), do I need to register them with the British Embassy (which is very expensive) for the purposes of travelling abroad (i.e. having a passport for the baby, or being able to add the baby to my own passport)? I read something on another forum, but the British Embassy makes for very confusing reading, and most people's situation involved babies born in France but from two British parents.
I don't think you as the father can put Junior on your Passport rather than on the mother's. I just googled "enfants de pacsés" and it would appear that they are legally considered illegitimate Go on www.service-public.fr, then click on Famille, then Enfant (Vos droits et démarches Famille), then Filiation, then Etablissement de la Filiation à l'égard des parents non mariés, which tells you what to do about acknowledging the child. It might be an idea to enquire at the Etat-Civil of your Mairie, they'll be able to tell you all your rights and what steps you must take.
Sorry that I can't help more, apart from recommending registering Junior at the British Consulate ASAP. Hope that other BEs know people in the same situation who can advise.
P.S. Do I conclude that Junior has arrived? Félicitations!
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Re: Hybrid baby, passports and the British embassy
If I have a baby who is half French/half English but born in France, taking my surname but not that of my partner (we're PACsed but not married), do I need to register them with the British Embassy (which is very expensive) for the purposes of travelling abroad (i.e. having a passport for the baby, or being able to add the baby to my own passport)? I read something on another forum, but the British Embassy makes for very confusing reading, and most people's situation involved babies born in France but from two British parents.
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Re: Hybrid baby, passports and the British embassy
If I have a baby who is half French/half English but born in France, taking my surname but not that of my partner (we're PACsed but not married), do I need to register them with the British Embassy (which is very expensive) for the purposes of travelling abroad (i.e. having a passport for the baby, or being able to add the baby to my own passport)? I read something on another forum, but the British Embassy makes for very confusing reading, and most people's situation involved babies born in France but from two British parents.
All my daughter did in Spain was send the birth certificate and photos to the Brit Embassy in Madrid, obviously you would send them to Paris as Ka Ora said.
There is nothing to say you have to have a Brit passport, but the baby will need a passport of some country to get into the UK if you want to.
Last edited by jdr; May 8th 2009 at 6:17 am.
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Re: Hybrid baby, passports and the British embassy
If I have a baby who is half French/half English but born in France, taking my surname but not that of my partner (we're PACsed but not married), do I need to register them with the British Embassy (which is very expensive) for the purposes of travelling abroad (i.e. having a passport for the baby, or being able to add the baby to my own passport)? I read something on another forum, but the British Embassy makes for very confusing reading, and most people's situation involved babies born in France but from two British parents.
Two of our three were born overseas and we registered their birth at the British Embassy - more for proof of citizenship than anything else.
You never know what they will want to do in the future, so not a bad idea to get it done.
Is this the page you were looking at on the British Embassy website?
http://ukinfrance.fco.gov.uk/resourc...h-reg-15042009
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Re: Hybrid baby, passports and the British embassy
Me again. According to "Service-Public", French children aren't mentioned on parents' passports any more. So Junior can have a Carte d'Identité free which will allow travel in the EU accompanied by a parent "with parental authority" or later alone with a "sortie du territoire" (for school trips, for example), while under-age. But if you want to travel to England with Junior and without your OH, you'll need a document with your "parental authority" officially mentioned (presumably obtained during the "reconnaissance" procedure.)
He/she'll be dual nationality, no problem, but unless you intend to travel outside of the EU in the near future, IMHO there's no real hurry to get a British (or French) Passport. Once again, I do urge you to register the birth at the British Consulate, whatever...
He/she'll be dual nationality, no problem, but unless you intend to travel outside of the EU in the near future, IMHO there's no real hurry to get a British (or French) Passport. Once again, I do urge you to register the birth at the British Consulate, whatever...
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Wow, I'm overwhelmed with all the helpful responses - thanks everyone. The baby's not quite here yet, and I won't be travelling outside of Europe.
My main concern was that if I wanted to go to England with the baby by myself it might be harder to prove the baby was mine, or if my partner took the baby (we don't share the same surname) by herself I wasn't sure if they'd be problems. I can see benefits of registering with the British consulate, but their charges seem pretty excessive, so was wondering if I could avoid it. From the advice given it would appear I'm better not to scrimp.
Val - I don't know why, but for some reason that link wants to open as a Word document.
My main concern was that if I wanted to go to England with the baby by myself it might be harder to prove the baby was mine, or if my partner took the baby (we don't share the same surname) by herself I wasn't sure if they'd be problems. I can see benefits of registering with the British consulate, but their charges seem pretty excessive, so was wondering if I could avoid it. From the advice given it would appear I'm better not to scrimp.
Val - I don't know why, but for some reason that link wants to open as a Word document.
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Re: Hybrid baby, passports and the British embassy
As I said, you'd have to go through the "reconnaissance" procedure in order to prove that the baby is yours. No problem so long as you have officially acknowledged your child at the Etat-Civil of the Mairie (of the place of birth, btw, not of your domicile) and your name presumably appears on "it's" birth certificate.
Good luck to mother-to-be when the time comes!
D.
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Hi!
As I said, you'd have to go through the "reconnaissance" procedure in order to prove that the baby is yours. No problem so long as you have officially acknowledged your child at the Etat-Civil of the Mairie (of the place of birth, btw, not of your domicile) and your name presumably appears on "it's" birth certificate.
Good luck to mother-to-be when the time comes!
D.
As I said, you'd have to go through the "reconnaissance" procedure in order to prove that the baby is yours. No problem so long as you have officially acknowledged your child at the Etat-Civil of the Mairie (of the place of birth, btw, not of your domicile) and your name presumably appears on "it's" birth certificate.
Good luck to mother-to-be when the time comes!
D.
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Re: Hybrid baby, passports and the British embassy
You're right, it may be advisable, although at Passport Control rather. There are so many stories of non-French fathers trying to take their children out of France without the mother's consent. The French are hyper-sensitive in child protection matters....
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Re: Hybrid baby, passports and the British embassy
That is Law in France See "French parental authority requirements"and"sortie du territoire requirements"
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Thought that they had brought a law in, in the late 70`s we used to drive down to St Tropez with the kids and usually two or three of their mates for holidays, I think there is also one on how many children in one vehicle now,after a minibus full got wiped out.
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Im not sure but all School buses had the Driver Plus at least one extra Adult so the driver does not have to be distracted by children. School Buses in the UK are a Nightmare well they were when I went to school back in the stone age.
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I think it's an offence here to have more bodies than car seats in private vehicles. The Gendarmerie would probably sanction the driver if 4 children were squashed on the back seat, for example.
But we're getting off-topic
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My OH used to play shot-gun for the driver, our neighbour, when he drove all the primary school kids to and from the various hamlets. A nightmare it often was...
I think it's an offence here to have more bodies than car seats in private vehicles. The Gendarmerie would probably sanction the driver if 4 children were squashed on the back seat, for example.
But we're getting off-topic
I think it's an offence here to have more bodies than car seats in private vehicles. The Gendarmerie would probably sanction the driver if 4 children were squashed on the back seat, for example.
But we're getting off-topic