grannybunz

I just want to know what hourly rate you would expect to pay for a gardener, Not for any design sort of stuff but just to clear vines etc from a wall and house front. Remove rubbish etc, No great skill involved,

audio

Dept. 22
I use someone that does not have any tools, not even protection for eye, or hearing nevertheless he works very hard.
He charges 9 €/hour on CESU.


Others around here working on the black I'm told charge 10€+

cyrian

The SMIC is about €9.75 per hour brut.
I believe that CESU is net and would be less than that.

Novocastrian

We pay ours 30 euro for a half day.

EuroTrash

On CESU I would expect to pay minimum wage (plus social contributions obviously).
For a self employed gardener I would expect to pay roughly equivalent to min wage + soc cont.
14€-ish an hour all told?
On the black less, but personally I wouldn't use the black for min wage work because there are people who need to earn an honest living.

grannybunz

My feelings exactly I would have thought around 15E would be appropriate, I would not dream of employing anyone to work up a ladder with power tools who was not trained, properly equipped and insured. Neither would I pay less than I pay my femme de menage however one quote was for vastly more than that, a global sum not detailed in writing,

Chatter Static

Pick a gardener that is within the bounds of the Credit Impot for Jardinage

https://impots.dispofi.fr/impots-201...mploi-domicile

dmu

Ours is self-employed, with professional insurance, in the Crédit Impôt system. At 20 € per hour (using his own tools, removing non-compost greenery), half is deducted from our Revenues, but whether it actually affects what we pay in taxes is debatable...

grannybunz

Thanks for the information so far. We are waiting on someone who appears to be like dmu's but if he takes a long to do the job as he does to provise the devis we well may disappear like Sleeping Beauty's castle.

south_bound

How do you know that a company or AE are set up to entitle the Crédit d'Impots, apart from them telling you that they are? Is there a piece of paper they should have, or a number that they quote? When it comes to declaring this on your on-line tax form, you don't send in any supporting paperwork anymore, so is there somewhere to justify this claim or is it just if they ask you to as part of a review?

dmu

Our gardener is registered with an organisation which sends you an official Statement, and there's a separate form to fill in with the Tax Déclaration, where you enter all the artisan's details, date of work and amount paid.
For some new solar shutters, we entered all the artisan's details on the same form, based on his bill.
I suppose some one in the Tax Office checks all this against the artisans' Déclarations....

EuroTrash

The artisan or organisation providing the services has to be officially registered La déclaration, l’agrément et l'autorisation | Direction Générale des Entreprises (DGE), their details are held on a database called Nova and like anything else they will have paperwork to show they're registered including a certificate stating exactly what services they are registered for, so it would be sensible to check this first if you are in any doubt.

Chatter Static

What they said.....

south_bound

Thanks, that's all useful to know. Just one thing though, it seems you just need to send in the back-up details (receipts, statements etc) if requested by the tax office - https://www.impots.gouv.fr/portail/p...mploi-domicile. I didn't see (or wasn't sent to) any additional form when I filled the box to claim for this type of work (not gardening, but school support).

dmu

We didn't have to send receipts to the Fisc last year (first time on-line) and I presume that they cross-checked our details with the artisans concerned. If there's no sign of the work in their Déclarations, then the Fisc will probably contact you for an explanation.
I can't remember the number of the form to fill in, but it somehow appeared when we ticked the Crédit-Impôt box, as an Annexe. Unfortunately I can't help more, as the Annexe wasn't printed out with the Déclaration.