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Old May 12th 2022, 10:29 am
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Now we're into May it's that time of year again to spend several hours puzzling over what figures go exactly where. We are not newcomers to doing this but wish to clarify one simple point. (Ours will be done on-line as in previous years).
I believe I read on this or perhaps a sister forum that it's easier to commence by completing first one of the 'annexes' supplementary to the main 2042.
Would that have been 2042C or 2047? Does completing either of these first, ease the procedure and automatically fill in the relevant boxes on the 2042?
On the other hand perhaps I dreamed of reading this somewhere, in which case I'll cut back on my siestas.
In the meantime I'll wish you all, "Bon tax remplisage!"
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Old May 12th 2022, 4:56 pm
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In the meantime I'll wish you all, "Bon tax remplisage!"
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Thanks Tweedie. Went to see my nice tax inspector on Tuesday, all sorted I hope.
Can't help with your question I'm afraid but bon courage with it.
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Does anyone else have a tax office where you queue behind a single desk, and then everybody in the room gets to hear everybody else's questions and tax affairs? That's been my experience since leaving the city - just got me thinking that if you had a nosy neighbour, acquaintance or nemesis in the queue, they may end up having a bit more gossip.
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Does anyone else have a tax office where you queue behind a single desk, and then everybody in the room gets to hear everybody else's questions and tax affairs? That's been my experience since leaving the city - just got me thinking that if you had a nosy neighbour, acquaintance or nemesis in the queue, they may end up having a bit more gossip.
Mine has a row of about 8 little offices along a corridor, completely private.
There is the reception desk of course, where you can potentially be overheard. But unless it's something very simple you wouldn't discuss it and deal with it at the reception desk. Normally at reception you either ask a very simple question and get a quick answer, or you take a ticket and wait for your turn to go through to one of the offices. Or you would make an appointment in advance, like wot I did.
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Now we're into May it's that time of year again to spend several hours puzzling over what figures go exactly where. We are not newcomers to doing this but wish to clarify one simple point. (Ours will be done on-line as in previous years).
I believe I read on this or perhaps a sister forum that it's easier to commence by completing first one of the 'annexes' supplementary to the main 2042.
Would that have been 2042C or 2047? Does completing either of these first, ease the procedure and automatically fill in the relevant boxes on the 2042?
On the other hand perhaps I dreamed of reading this somewhere, in which case I'll cut back on my siestas.
In the meantime I'll wish you all, "Bon tax remplisage!"
When OH was around, I seem to recollect that it turned out less stressful (all things being relative) to fill in the Annexes first - we (even OH) were always afraid that we'd never get back to the main form...
These last few years, I've got my Bank's Financial Advisor to do it on-line for me, and I confess that I've never watched over his shoulder to learn "for the next time"....
Next year, though, I MIGHT manage on my own, as we sold our buy-to-rent appartment last year, which was the main source of complication for me.
As an anecdote, the Advisor announced that I'd be receiving a refund, having paid too much Tax last year. But before I started rejoicing, he said the sum was so similar to what I'd paid extra the year before when my taxes were "adjusted" due to the Fisc's error, it was probably to reimburse this "excess". I hope they used my involuntary loan wisely....
Good luck one and all, with this yearly chore which even French people apprehend!
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Does anyone else have a tax office where you queue behind a single desk, and then everybody in the room gets to hear everybody else's questions and tax affairs? That's been my experience since leaving the city - just got me thinking that if you had a nosy neighbour, acquaintance or nemesis in the queue, they may end up having a bit more gossip.
The one time I made an appointment at the tax office (the year when I had to declare our joint income before OH's death and my income afterwards, in two separate declarations), we did everything privately in his office at the appointed time. Charming fellow who wasn't fazed by our, to us, complications.
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Thanks for the feedback, some of which did help.
Regarding G_J_B's query, I confer with ET's observations. Our local office also has a single reception desk where one would normally request to see an advisor without necessarily discussing the reason. Following that, one is given a ticket, and when the number appears on screen you go to one of 6 completely private offices to discuss with the tax advisor. Imho it's a good system and from experience with 2 seperate appointments with their specialists, it works well.
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Interesting to read the replies. When I was in Paris there were many individual offices, but now I'm in the countryside they used to have a ticket system, but now it's just a big queue. I guess if you requested privacy, you could wait a bit longer and go into the one small office they have, but the majority ask their questions and get replied to at the desk, and although they seem like really nice people, their voices are really loud so you can't help but overhear everything. It's not that I visit often, a question pops up once in a blue moon.
I was also surprised that although the deadline for us is the end of this month, we're bordering a different department who get given an extra two weeks into June to submit their returns.
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Interesting to read the replies. When I was in Paris there were many individual offices, but now I'm in the countryside they used to have a ticket system, but now it's just a big queue. I guess if you requested privacy, you could wait a bit longer and go into the one small office they have, but the majority ask their questions and get replied to at the desk, and although they seem like really nice people, their voices are really loud so you can't help but overhear everything. It's not that I visit often, a question pops up once in a blue moon.
I was also surprised that although the deadline for us is the end of this month, we're bordering a different department who get given an extra two weeks into June to submit their returns.
If you make an appointment at the Tax Office, you explain beforehand that it's for physical help in making the Déclaration on-line. They take the anticipated time into account for their other RVs....
I've mentioned elsewhere that there's now a Public Service called "France Services", with a branch in most biggish towns, whose mission is to help people with all administrative problems, including Tax issues. Worth a visit if the local Tax Office or Financial Advisors are overwhelmed with requests for help......
The deadlines are like the school holidays, separated into different "zones", except that they go by the number of the Département.. From Dépt. 1-19, the 24th May; from 20-54, 31st May, and from 55 to the DOMs, 8th June. And non-residents 24th May....
Since I'll be hors de combat for the Hérault deadline, mine was done as soon as the site was open for on-line declarations, to make my "to-do" list shorter.
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Now we're into May it's that time of year again to spend several hours puzzling over what figures go exactly where. We are not newcomers to doing this but wish to clarify one simple point. (Ours will be done on-line as in previous years).
I believe I read on this or perhaps a sister forum that it's easier to commence by completing first one of the 'annexes' supplementary to the main 2042.
Would that have been 2042C or 2047? Does completing either of these first, ease the procedure and automatically fill in the relevant boxes on the 2042?
On the other hand perhaps I dreamed of reading this somewhere, in which case I'll cut back on my siestas.
In the meantime I'll wish you all, "Bon tax remplisage!"

You may have read it in Connexion magazine because they certainly recommend starting with the ancillary forms and then coming back to the main tax form 2042 at the end.
I did mine a few weeks ago. I started with 2044 (I have UK rental income declared under the régime réel), then moved to 2047, then the form for declaring foreign bank accounts and finally back to 2042 where I found that some of the figures had been automatically carried over from the other forms.
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You may have read it in Connexion magazine because they certainly recommend starting with the ancillary forms and then coming back to the main tax form 2042 at the end.
I did mine a few weeks ago. I started with 2044 (I have UK rental income declared under the régime réel), then moved to 2047, then the form for declaring foreign bank accounts and finally back to 2042 where I found that some of the figures had been automatically carried over from the other forms.
That's very useful. Thank you!
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Tax filling is easy if you have only pensions or salaries but it's more complex when you have foreign dividendes, tax credits ...
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Tax filling is easy if you have only pensions or salaries but it's more complex when you have foreign dividendes, tax credits ...
We had nothing particularly complex like foreign dividends or tax credits, and French Insurance Vie tend to sort themselves out.
Nevertheless we both found the on-line declaration a real pain in the butt, and I even overheard two French obscenities that would probably even have had Jean-Marie Bigard blushing!
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