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Disgruntled Expats
I read in another thread that some of you old stagers (if I may call you that) are considering moving out of France as a result of the civil unrest.
Here in the UK there's been scant coverage of the disorder, probably because the vast majority of the media reports on Brexit - endlessly. I spent many happy years living in France but didn't experience any unrest, so my advice here should be regarded as being general, rather than based on the sort of experiences you're currently having. There's a unity between Trumpism, Brexit and France's current problems - it's based on too many people being at the bottom of the pile and too many people whose voices are not heard. The political class is broken. In the UK, the centre-right holds power and is stretched across conservative and social democrat views, whilst the extreme(ish) left control the Labour party. So "who can I vote for?" is the cry of many, just as it is in France. You may have Le Pen soon, we may have Brexit. If I were you, I wouldn't hurry back to the UK any time soon. If a second referendum is called, the socio-political consequences are huge, especially if the original vote's overturned. 15,000,000 people will feel disenfranchised, so civil unrest is almost inevitable. If Brexit happens, the remain group of 14,000,000 will feel robbed. The UK economy is likely to take a nose-dive, no matter what the right wing says. So my two centimes worth is to advise you to stay put unless you're young enough to begin elsewhere. Or go to Spain and live amongst the Daily Mail readers. |
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Originally Posted by jsbach
(Post 12610348)
You may have Le Pen soon, we may have Brexit. If I were you, I wouldn't hurry back to the UK any time soon. |
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It's all very interesting. "Trumpism" is changing the world (for the better, in my view), and nationalism/popularism seems to be on the rise, at last, at least in parts of Europe. I would be pleased to see a Le Pen government - she certainly couldn't do any worse than the the last three. Perhaps then, the leadership may realise the folly of their "climate change goals", and cease penalising everyone for nothing, but the governments self-vanity, and the UN's misguided direction. Vive les gilets jaunes, I say - I'm not going anywhere, quite happy here...
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@Chris'Julie - I expect you support a hard Brexit too?
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We all thought that the "One foot in the grave" character - Victor Meldrew was fictional. ;) ;)
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Well, I'm quite excited by it all, rather than moaning...
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Originally Posted by Chris'nJulie
(Post 12610739)
It's all very interesting. "Trumpism" is changing the world (for the better, in my view), and nationalism/popularism seems to be on the rise, at last, at least in parts of Europe. I would be pleased to see a Le Pen government - she certainly couldn't do any worse than the the last three. Perhaps then, the leadership may realise the folly of their "climate change goals", and cease penalising everyone for nothing, but the governments self-vanity, and the UN's misguided direction. Vive les gilets jaunes, I say - I'm not going anywhere, quite happy here...
Or your just Trolling because the wind and boredom is getting to your head...... |
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I wrote what I thought, whether you approve, or not. It IS interesting, and the populist and nationalist cause, to my way of thinking, is the preferred one. Funny how so many of these forums are littered with lefties, who take umbrage at what others of a different persuasion think..
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Originally Posted by Chris'nJulie
(Post 12610974)
I wrote what I thought, whether you approve, or not. It IS interesting, and the populist and nationalist cause, to my way of thinking, is the preferred one. Funny how so many of these forums are littered with lefties, who take umbrage at what others of a different persuasion think..
Your typing and thoughts went into the public domain on a privately owned website it will provoke a response...... Im a pretty middle of the road kind of person I have seen the world fought in the Army and watched the machine that goes ping stop one too many times I have learnt that narrow minds demanding a exclusionary now seek a bleak future or self gain. |
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To the OP, I've not heard of any Brit (or other nationality) leaving France because of the demonstrations.
I've heard loads of EU people leaving the UK because of Brexit though, something the ''Populist loving poster enjoying life in a welcoming country'' probably is happy with. |
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Just to get the background right - you're British, and you're enjoying your retirement here in France courtesy of EU freedom of movement, is that correct?
And you find it "interesting" and in line with "your preferred cause", that future generations of Brits won't have the same opportunities you had? You don't find that a backwards step? No, well I suppose it won't affect you. Although I see from your previous posts that you're quite a fan of having Waitrose groceries delivered to you in France - that service might get interrupted. |
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Originally Posted by EuroTrash
(Post 12611016)
Just to get the background right - you're British, and you're enjoying your retirement here in France courtesy of EU freedom of movement, is that correct?
And you find it "interesting" and in line with "your preferred cause", that future generations of Brits won't have the same opportunities you had? You don't find that a backwards step? No, well I suppose it won't affect you. Although I see from your previous posts that you're quite a fan of having Waitrose groceries delivered to you in France - that service might get interrupted.
Originally Posted by Chris'nJulie
(Post 12610974)
Either way, Hurrah for the Donald! May he work his magic, kill the climate change nonsense, once and for all, suspend Obamacare, and Make America Great Again. More strength to his elbow, and if half of Europe (or more) follows suit, and helps to bring down the awful EU, then in MY view, he can do no wrong.
.. I think we have a real life...... |
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Without entering unduly into any political mud-slinging, I was interested by some comments on a French radio broadcast this morning. With references to French presidents, the previous one as we know was often referred to as 'the pedalo captain', and by contrast the current president this morning referred to as the 'captain of an outboard motor - which unfortunately has the maneuverability of an ocean liner'. I liked that! No marine equivalents were mentioned for the far left or far right, but I could think of a few!
One member here states "I'm not going anywhere, quite happy here", and everyone to their own. However we've arrived at a situation where the police are at the end of their tether, exhausted, moral has never been lower. They are unable to come out on strike, but many have shared a desire to do just that, suicides in the force is on the increase due to conditions, the state owes them millions of euros in overtime pay, which may possibly be payed at some future date. And if that wasn't bad enough news, there's worse. The French national fire brigade, a large majority of which are volunteers, are coming under increasingly violent attacks by the public during the course of their life-saving duties. Just a few years ago 800 such attacks were on record. Recently an increase of 23% of serious attacks has been officially stated, to a shameful figure of 2813. Some may indeed be "quite happy here" with all this. I am most definitely not! |
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Originally Posted by Tweedpipe
(Post 12611035)
Without entering unduly into any political mud-slinging, I was interested by some comments on a French radio broadcast this morning. With references to French presidents, the previous one as we know was often referred to as 'the pedalo captain', and by contrast the current president this morning referred to as the 'captain of an outboard motor - which unfortunately has the maneuverability of an ocean liner'. I liked that! No marine equivalents were mentioned for the far left or far right, but I could think of a few!
One member here states "I'm not going anywhere, quite happy here", and everyone to their own. However we've arrived at a situation where the police are at the end of their tether, exhausted, moral has never been lower. They are unable to come out on strike, but many have shared a desire to do just that, suicides in the force is on the increase due to conditions, the state owes them millions of euros in overtime pay, which may possibly be payed at some future date. And if that wasn't bad enough news, there's worse. The French national fire brigade, a large majority of which are volunteers, are coming under increasingly violent attacks by the public during the course of their life-saving duties. Just a few years ago 800 such attacks were on record. Recently an increase of 23% of serious attacks has been officially stated, to a shameful figure of 2813. Some may indeed be "quite happy here" with all this. I am most definitely not! Doctors surgery is a good place to get ill...... I don't understand why the Flu jab can't be put in a Epipen which a pharmacist could help administer take the work load off doctors. The Epipen came from the Army originally and was used for chemical warfare drugs we carried them around for self administration stick the Flu Jab in them winter work load is removed from doctors.... |
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Originally Posted by Annetje
(Post 12611005)
To the OP, I've not heard of any Brit (or other nationality) leaving France because of the demonstrations.
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Originally Posted by Chatter Static
(Post 12611043)
I don't understand why the Flu jab can't be put in a Epipen which a pharmacist could help administer take the work load off doctors.
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I've never heard of any Brit leaving France because of the recent demonstrations either. And if I'd given thought to leaving every time there was a demonstration I'd be on permanent leave watch - just to list them this year alone would considerably wear the letters of my keyboard. A few years ago I recall that it was mentioned there are as many greves per year as there are cheeses in France, and I believe it was president de Gaulle who once said, "How can you govern a country which has two hundred and forty-six varieties of cheese?"
For those unbelievers here are a few incredible links: Strike calender for the month of Dec 2018 SNCF 2018 Air France 2018 Taxis 2018 Les Infirmieres 2018 Les Avocats I'd be the first to agree that many of the concerns which led to these strikes were justified, but not the fashion in which most of the strikes were carried out, i.e. causing the maximum distruption to the general public at carefully calculated periods that would cause the most chaos. That to the best of my knowledge is not the norm in many other countries. |
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Originally Posted by graham.miln
(Post 12611326)
We had our flu jabs at the local pharmacy this year. Not quite an epipen format, still the traditional needle, but no doctor was involved. A little bit of welcome progress. ;)
We received a note from the secu to collect the vaccines from the pharmacy (f.o.c.), and to contact/visit an infirmiere to administer. This we did, which was free too, as after showing our CVitale they recoupe the charges from the secu. So far still alive & kicking. |
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Has anyone noticed the extra payment you get now for using the garda pharmacies my oh was none too impressed as weekend pharmacies was one her favourite pastimes ...
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I think we paid 12 euros each for the flu vaccinations. There is a trial going on in the Auvergne Rhone-Alpes region : Grippe saisonnière : votre pharmacien peut vous vacciner. It worked out well for us.
There is enough gilets jaunes activity here; nothing in our village but certainly in our local towns. I can not envisage these protests being avoidable, while still being integrated into the community. Is anywhere that isolated and still habitable in France? |
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Originally Posted by jsbach
(Post 12610348)
I read in another thread that some of you old stagers (if I may call you that) are considering moving out of France as a result of the civil unrest.
Here in the UK there's been scant coverage of the disorder, probably because the vast majority of the media reports on Brexit - endlessly. I spent many happy years living in France but didn't experience any unrest, so my advice here should be regarded as being general, rather than based on the sort of experiences you're currently having. There's a unity between Trumpism, Brexit and France's current problems - it's based on too many people being at the bottom of the pile and too many people whose voices are not heard. The political class is broken. In the UK, the centre-right holds power and is stretched across conservative and social democrat views, whilst the extreme(ish) left control the Labour party. So "who can I vote for?" is the cry of many, just as it is in France. You may have Le Pen soon, we may have Brexit. If I were you, I wouldn't hurry back to the UK any time soon. If a second referendum is called, the socio-political consequences are huge, especially if the original vote's overturned. 15,000,000 people will feel disenfranchised, so civil unrest is almost inevitable. If Brexit happens, the remain group of 14,000,000 will feel robbed. The UK economy is likely to take a nose-dive, no matter what the right wing says. So my two centimes worth is to advise you to stay put unless you're young enough to begin elsewhere. Or go to Spain and live amongst the Daily Mail readers. You said you never experienced any unrest while you were living in France well I guess that will rule out Paris as the place you were living cos I cant think of a time when there was not some sort of strike/Demo going on in Paris You must have been living in France during that perfect period in 67-69 when all strikes were banned.;-) The bolded part in the quote is probably the most stupid, nastiest and snobbish piece of crap I'll read today. Why bother posting when all you do is reiterate stupid cliches, I suspect that at some time in your life you were part of Brain Transplant operation (as the Donor of course). You sound exactly like a SJW, ugh pass the brown bag please |
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Originally Posted by mfh
(Post 12617461)
I've got to say this is a really bad post.!
You said you never experienced any unrest while you were living in France well I guess that will rule out Paris as the place you were living cos I cant think of a time when there was not some sort of strike/Demo going on in Paris You must have been living in France during that perfect period in 67-69 when all strikes were banned.;-) The bolded part in the quote is probably the most stupid, nastiest and snobbish piece of crap I'll read today. Why bother posting when all you do is reiterate stupid cliches, I suspect that at some time in your life you were part of Brain Transplant operation (as the Donor of course). You sound exactly like a SJW, ugh pass the brown bag please I can see I hit a nerve concerning the Daily Mail. I admit to disliking that rag-bag of lies, prejudice and disinformation which is propelled into the brains of the undiscerning on a daily basis - but really, MFH, can't you tell a good Burgundy from cheap plonk? The cheap plonkers at the Mail have been responsible for more racist and sexist articles than any other newspaper. I suggest you Google "racism + Daily Mail" and find the truth. You could try replacing "racism" with "sexism" in the search term if you like. But worst of all, the Mail is one of the chief architects of Brexit. Steered along by its owner, it has charted a course to influence the public against the EU for many years. There were the scare stories about the straight banana or "our British sausage" or the "350 million bus" or a host of other cheap lies to feed the unwary reader. "I read it in the papers so it must be true" has long been the saw on which the paper, insidiously, weedled its way into our lives with its propaganda of doom. So, a percentage of those who backed Brexit were spurred on/influenced by this nasty rag, owned by a man who doesn't, for tax reasons, even live in the UK! An entirely unbiased analysis of the press's influence in the Brexit farrago can be found at https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox...Referendum.pdf Of course, the reasons for Brexit are enormously complex but issues of propaganda, especially when coming from overseas, should be a concern for democrats everywhere. Thank you for your final two sentences, which provide a fascinating insight into your character. |
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Originally Posted by jsbach
(Post 12617567)
Thank you for your erudite observations, Master of FoxHounds.
I can see I hit a nerve concerning the Daily Mail. I admit to disliking that rag-bag of lies, prejudice and disinformation which is propelled into the brains of the undiscerning on a daily basis - but really, MFH, can't you tell a good Burgundy from cheap plonk? The cheap plonkers at the Mail have been responsible for more racist and sexist articles than any other newspaper. I suggest you Google "racism + Daily Mail" and find the truth. You could try replacing "racism" with "sexism" in the search term if you like. But worst of all, the Mail is one of the chief architects of Brexit. Steered along by its owner, it has charted a course to influence the public against the EU for many years. There were the scare stories about the straight banana or "our British sausage" or the "350 million bus" or a host of other cheap lies to feed the unwary reader. "I read it in the papers so it must be true" has long been the saw on which the paper, insidiously, weedled its way into our lives with its propaganda of doom. So, a percentage of those who backed Brexit were spurred on/influenced by this nasty rag, owned by a man who doesn't, for tax reasons, even live in the UK! An entirely unbiased analysis of the press's influence in the Brexit farrago can be found at https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox...Referendum.pdf Of course, the reasons for Brexit are enormously complex but issues of propaganda, especially when coming from overseas, should be a concern for democrats everywhere. Thank you for your final two sentences, which provide a fascinating insight into your character. |
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BEVS asked you politely to stop with the personal jibes but as you do not seem to be able to do this I am closing this thread.
If you both start again with the personal insults in any other thread you are in danger of losing your posting rights for a time or permanently- Rosemary |
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