Brexit affect on Job applications. Looking for work in Paris.
Mar 7th 2018, 10:26 am
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Brexit affect on Job applications. Looking for work in Paris.
I am considering a move from London to Paris both for career opportunities and because my partner lives there.
I work in client account management/project management of promotional marketing (currently agency side looking to move client side) and am looking for something similar in France or an English speaking role, potentially a posted role situated in Paris because my french is not yet fluent but mid level and I thought it might be easier to get an English role posted in France.
From your experience, will the approaching Brexit date and the unknown agreement regarding expats status/ability to stay in EU countries affect my chances of being offered interviews or roles there? Is it only going to get worse as we move towards 2019 and the impending 'break up' when we leave the EU?
Do you know of any well established brands or companies that actively recruit native English speakers or that I could apply to? I do want to immerse myself in the french language, and when I'm surrounded by French speakers my language does improve quickly, but i'm not business standard yet.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
I work in client account management/project management of promotional marketing (currently agency side looking to move client side) and am looking for something similar in France or an English speaking role, potentially a posted role situated in Paris because my french is not yet fluent but mid level and I thought it might be easier to get an English role posted in France.
From your experience, will the approaching Brexit date and the unknown agreement regarding expats status/ability to stay in EU countries affect my chances of being offered interviews or roles there? Is it only going to get worse as we move towards 2019 and the impending 'break up' when we leave the EU?
Do you know of any well established brands or companies that actively recruit native English speakers or that I could apply to? I do want to immerse myself in the french language, and when I'm surrounded by French speakers my language does improve quickly, but i'm not business standard yet.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
Mar 7th 2018, 11:19 am
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Re: Brexit affect on Job applications. Looking for work in Paris.
I think the most likely situation is that whatever your status at the cutoff date, be that the date any eventual transition period starts or the date it ends or any other date somebody plucks out of the air, you will be able to keep that status.
If you're an employee at cut off date, whether you have to stay with that employer or whether you'll be able to change employers, I don't know. Possibly the latter but it's one of the things that would have to be specially agreed.
If you don't have any kind of employment status at Brexit date, finding a job here could be complicated without a carte de séjour but for you the obvious answer would seem to be to marry your partner, problem solved.
As regards French employers, it's a difficult one because you'd be competing with the many many French native speakers who also speak fluent English (or zay sink zay do). Your best bet would be the specialist recruitment agencies who specifically recruit English speakers to work in France.
Good luck!
If you're an employee at cut off date, whether you have to stay with that employer or whether you'll be able to change employers, I don't know. Possibly the latter but it's one of the things that would have to be specially agreed.
If you don't have any kind of employment status at Brexit date, finding a job here could be complicated without a carte de séjour but for you the obvious answer would seem to be to marry your partner, problem solved.
As regards French employers, it's a difficult one because you'd be competing with the many many French native speakers who also speak fluent English (or zay sink zay do). Your best bet would be the specialist recruitment agencies who specifically recruit English speakers to work in France.
Good luck!
Mar 7th 2018, 11:29 am
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Re: Brexit affect on Job applications. Looking for work in Paris.
I think the most likely situation is that whatever your status at the cutoff date, be that the date any eventual transition period starts or the date it ends or any other date somebody plucks out of the air, you will be able to keep that status.
If you're an employee at cut off date, whether you have to stay with that employer or whether you'll be able to change employers, I don't know. Possibly the latter but it's one of the things that would have to be specially agreed.
If you don't have any kind of employment status at Brexit date, finding a job here could be complicated without a carte de séjour but for you the obvious answer would seem to be to marry your partner, problem solved.
As regards French employers, it's a difficult one because you'd be competing with the many many French native speakers who also speak fluent English (or zay sink zay do). Your best bet would be the specialist recruitment agencies who specifically recruit English speakers to work in France.
Good luck!
If you're an employee at cut off date, whether you have to stay with that employer or whether you'll be able to change employers, I don't know. Possibly the latter but it's one of the things that would have to be specially agreed.
If you don't have any kind of employment status at Brexit date, finding a job here could be complicated without a carte de séjour but for you the obvious answer would seem to be to marry your partner, problem solved.
As regards French employers, it's a difficult one because you'd be competing with the many many French native speakers who also speak fluent English (or zay sink zay do). Your best bet would be the specialist recruitment agencies who specifically recruit English speakers to work in France.
Good luck!
What I'm considering is that to work brand side, most brands don't use agencies and prefer to recruit in-house. A friend of mine is on a posted job in the UK from Germany and is being paid in Euros, so I thought that could be another possibility, but don't really know where to start to look for those.
My concern is that companies will already be put off recruiting English personnel because the future of our right to work in France is still so uncertain.
Also carte de séjour has cropped up in a few job descriptions I've seen. Is this a visa type of right to work in France document?
Thank you for your advice!
Mar 7th 2018, 11:52 am
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Re: Brexit affect on Job applications. Looking for work in Paris.
I think the most likely situation is that whatever your status at the cutoff date, be that the date any eventual transition period starts or the date it ends or any other date somebody plucks out of the air, you will be able to keep that status.
If you're an employee at cut off date, whether you have to stay with that employer or whether you'll be able to change employers, I don't know. Possibly the latter but it's one of the things that would have to be specially agreed.
If you don't have any kind of employment status at Brexit date, finding a job here could be complicated without a carte de séjour but for you the obvious answer would seem to be to marry your partner, problem solved.
As regards French employers, it's a difficult one because you'd be competing with the many many French native speakers who also speak fluent English (or zay sink zay do). Your best bet would be the specialist recruitment agencies who specifically recruit English speakers to work in France.
Good luck!
If you're an employee at cut off date, whether you have to stay with that employer or whether you'll be able to change employers, I don't know. Possibly the latter but it's one of the things that would have to be specially agreed.
If you don't have any kind of employment status at Brexit date, finding a job here could be complicated without a carte de séjour but for you the obvious answer would seem to be to marry your partner, problem solved.
As regards French employers, it's a difficult one because you'd be competing with the many many French native speakers who also speak fluent English (or zay sink zay do). Your best bet would be the specialist recruitment agencies who specifically recruit English speakers to work in France.
Good luck!
If not, a quick read of the "Partner Status" thread in the above "Read-Me: Moving to France FAQs" will indicate the drawbacks of being a couple not legally bound and, it may sound corny, but getting married or pacs'd is the solution!
Mar 7th 2018, 11:54 am
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Re: Brexit affect on Job applications. Looking for work in Paris.
A carte de séjour is a right to reside. You need a visa to get into the country, then you need a carte de séjour in order to stay there. There are various types of cds just as there are different types of visa, some give you the right to work here but generally speaking, if you come in on a visitor visa you will be given a cds that doesn't allow you to work. However I believe coming on a spouse visa automatically gives you the right to work.
I don't think most French folk who work in personnel departments or agencies are remotely interested in Brexit to be honest. If their software thinks the UK is in the EU then they'll process you like any other EU applicant. The day their software package tells them that the UK is not an EU state is the day they'll start asking about your status.
I'm not sure how posted worker status will work post-Brexit. However as I understand it you can't actually look for "posted worker" jobs - the whole point of posted worker status is that you already worked for that company in your home country, and they post you on an overseas assignment for a fixed period of time after which you will go back to your home country and carry on working for them as before. Basically it's a special concession to save them having to take the person out of the UK social security system and register them in another state's social security system, only to reverse the process a year or so later. So British companies are not supposed to recruit a person in the UK specifically to send them to work overseas, that would be bending the rules. Which isn't to say it doesn't happen of course.
Can't help with what agencies to look at but no doubt google will be your friend.
I don't think most French folk who work in personnel departments or agencies are remotely interested in Brexit to be honest. If their software thinks the UK is in the EU then they'll process you like any other EU applicant. The day their software package tells them that the UK is not an EU state is the day they'll start asking about your status.
I'm not sure how posted worker status will work post-Brexit. However as I understand it you can't actually look for "posted worker" jobs - the whole point of posted worker status is that you already worked for that company in your home country, and they post you on an overseas assignment for a fixed period of time after which you will go back to your home country and carry on working for them as before. Basically it's a special concession to save them having to take the person out of the UK social security system and register them in another state's social security system, only to reverse the process a year or so later. So British companies are not supposed to recruit a person in the UK specifically to send them to work overseas, that would be bending the rules. Which isn't to say it doesn't happen of course.
Can't help with what agencies to look at but no doubt google will be your friend.
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Mar 7th 2018, 12:53 pm
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Re: Brexit affect on Job applications. Looking for work in Paris.
Thanks. I'd rather just focus on getting myself a job before moving there as I'd rather not marry just for the sake of it!
How it currently stands can't EU persons work in most EU countries without restrictions anyway? I presumed the visa would just be either given on arrival or we wouldn't need one yet? I presume it will be the CDS that will be the thing more tricky to obtain with the impending change.
I will have a look at the moving to France thread.
Thanks,
How it currently stands can't EU persons work in most EU countries without restrictions anyway? I presumed the visa would just be either given on arrival or we wouldn't need one yet? I presume it will be the CDS that will be the thing more tricky to obtain with the impending change.
I will have a look at the moving to France thread.
Thanks,
Mar 7th 2018, 1:29 pm
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EU citizens don't need a visa or carte de séjour to travel within the EU. EU workers automatically have the right to live and work in any EU state.
Mar 7th 2018, 2:13 pm
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Wasn't the Carte de Séjour phased out for Europeans years ago? I had to get one when I arrived in the 80s but later on I never needed to renew it. I just keep it as a souvenir.
Mar 7th 2018, 3:14 pm
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In some EU countries, such as Spain and Italy I think, you do need to register and get a residency document as soon as you arrive with the intention of taking up residence. I think this used to be the case in France, but as the Purple One says, France changed the rules a while back. In fact it keeps changing the rules, just for fun I think - I haven't check the official position recently but a few years ago, the government website said that UE ressortissants had to register at the mairie, but the mairies hadn't been told and most of them had no registration procedures in place. I think that one got quietly dropped too.
We have the right to live and work but we also have to comply with whatever formalities are in force in that particular country.
We have the right to live and work but we also have to comply with whatever formalities are in force in that particular country.
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