What is the state of the greek IT job market?
Oct 19th 2002, 11:54 pm
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What is the state of the greek IT job market?
Hello there,
I'm a Brit currently living in London and am considering a move to Greece.
I'm a 23 year old computer programmer and have been working in London for the past 2 years for blue chip companies. I've grown tired of the rat-race, rain and grey and am looking for somewhere to live that is more relaxed and with better weather.
Please could someone post me some information on the state of the current greek IT job market?
Has it been as badly affected as the rest of Europe?
Can anyone recommend specific areas of Greece?
Am I mad to consider moving?
Any help and information would be very much appreciated!
Thanks in advance!
- Rob
I'm a Brit currently living in London and am considering a move to Greece.
I'm a 23 year old computer programmer and have been working in London for the past 2 years for blue chip companies. I've grown tired of the rat-race, rain and grey and am looking for somewhere to live that is more relaxed and with better weather.
Please could someone post me some information on the state of the current greek IT job market?
Has it been as badly affected as the rest of Europe?
Can anyone recommend specific areas of Greece?
Am I mad to consider moving?
Any help and information would be very much appreciated!
Thanks in advance!
- Rob
Oct 20th 2002, 8:47 am
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Re: What is the state of the greek IT job market?
In article , rmuchall
wrote:
> Hello there,
> I'm a Brit currently living in London and am considering a move
> to Greece.
[rest of post snipped]
Try posting your question to alt.travel.greece. It's a (mostly)
sensible newsgroup with several contributors who live in Greece, so you
are quite likely to get a sensible answer.
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Mike Lane
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> Hello there,
> I'm a Brit currently living in London and am considering a move
> to Greece.
[rest of post snipped]
Try posting your question to alt.travel.greece. It's a (mostly)
sensible newsgroup with several contributors who live in Greece, so you
are quite likely to get a sensible answer.
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Mike Lane
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Oct 20th 2002, 9:43 am
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"rmuchall" a écrit dans le message de news:
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> I'm a 23 year old computer programmer and have been
> working in London for the past 2 years for blue chip
> companies. I've grown tired of the rat-race, rain and
> grey and am looking for somewhere to live that is
> more relaxed and with better weather.
Already?
Anyway, be advised that the conditions you describe are largely a
consequence of the profession, not the geography. You can avoid the rain
and gray, but the rat race remains. And the less of a rat race you find,
the less you're likely to be paid or sought after, as well.
> Has it been as badly affected as the rest of Europe?
Has the IT market been badly affected?
> Am I mad to consider moving?
The grass is always greener somewhere else. I'm surprised that you are
ready to write off any location after only two years, but that's just me. I
find that people who regularly become dissatisfied with their working
conditions may only be transferring dissatisfication in other domains.
[email protected]...
> I'm a 23 year old computer programmer and have been
> working in London for the past 2 years for blue chip
> companies. I've grown tired of the rat-race, rain and
> grey and am looking for somewhere to live that is
> more relaxed and with better weather.
Already?
Anyway, be advised that the conditions you describe are largely a
consequence of the profession, not the geography. You can avoid the rain
and gray, but the rat race remains. And the less of a rat race you find,
the less you're likely to be paid or sought after, as well.
> Has it been as badly affected as the rest of Europe?
Has the IT market been badly affected?
> Am I mad to consider moving?
The grass is always greener somewhere else. I'm surprised that you are
ready to write off any location after only two years, but that's just me. I
find that people who regularly become dissatisfied with their working
conditions may only be transferring dissatisfication in other domains.
Oct 20th 2002, 10:45 am
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Re: What is the state of the greek IT job market?
"Mxsmanic" wrote in
news:xnadncFgUKE35y-gXTWcqg@giganew-
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> Anyway, be advised that the conditions you describe are largely a
> consequence of the profession, not the geography. You can avoid the
> rain and gray, but the rat race remains.
Sure, but maybe it's easier to endure in warm weather and with colleagues
who have a Mediterranean attitude about "discipline". I can sympathise with
the idea.
> Has the IT market been badly affected?
You bet.
Regards
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news:xnadncFgUKE35y-gXTWcqg@giganew-
s.com:
> Anyway, be advised that the conditions you describe are largely a
> consequence of the profession, not the geography. You can avoid the
> rain and gray, but the rat race remains.
Sure, but maybe it's easier to endure in warm weather and with colleagues
who have a Mediterranean attitude about "discipline". I can sympathise with
the idea.
> Has the IT market been badly affected?
You bet.
Regards
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Gültig für alle Staaten und Westberlin
Oct 20th 2002, 1:05 pm
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On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 11:43:05 +0200, "Mxsmanic"
wrote:
>"rmuchall" a écrit dans le message de news:
>[email protected]...
>> I'm a 23 year old computer programmer and have been
>> working in London for the past 2 years for blue chip
>> companies. I've grown tired of the rat-race, rain and
>> grey and am looking for somewhere to live that is
>> more relaxed and with better weather.
>Already?
>Anyway, be advised that the conditions you describe are largely a
>consequence of the profession, not the geography. You can avoid the rain
>and gray, but the rat race remains. And the less of a rat race you find,
>the less you're likely to be paid or sought after, as well.
If he works in a company used to more 'relaxed' work attitude, he
could be the star of the show, and thus be promoted faster.
Is it better to be a big fish in a small pond, or a small fish in a
big pond???
>> Has it been as badly affected as the rest of Europe?
>Has the IT market been badly affected?
>> Am I mad to consider moving?
>The grass is always greener somewhere else. I'm surprised that you are
>ready to write off any location after only two years, but that's just me. I
>find that people who regularly become dissatisfied with their working
>conditions may only be transferring dissatisfication in other domains.
Maybe, but maybe he is becoming depressed with the lack of sunshine.
The solution could be as simple as buying one of those Phillips Sun
Simulator thingies. (Maybe, not)
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>"rmuchall" a écrit dans le message de news:
>[email protected]...
>> I'm a 23 year old computer programmer and have been
>> working in London for the past 2 years for blue chip
>> companies. I've grown tired of the rat-race, rain and
>> grey and am looking for somewhere to live that is
>> more relaxed and with better weather.
>Already?
>Anyway, be advised that the conditions you describe are largely a
>consequence of the profession, not the geography. You can avoid the rain
>and gray, but the rat race remains. And the less of a rat race you find,
>the less you're likely to be paid or sought after, as well.
If he works in a company used to more 'relaxed' work attitude, he
could be the star of the show, and thus be promoted faster.
Is it better to be a big fish in a small pond, or a small fish in a
big pond???
>> Has it been as badly affected as the rest of Europe?
>Has the IT market been badly affected?
>> Am I mad to consider moving?
>The grass is always greener somewhere else. I'm surprised that you are
>ready to write off any location after only two years, but that's just me. I
>find that people who regularly become dissatisfied with their working
>conditions may only be transferring dissatisfication in other domains.
Maybe, but maybe he is becoming depressed with the lack of sunshine.
The solution could be as simple as buying one of those Phillips Sun
Simulator thingies. (Maybe, not)
Oct 20th 2002, 4:00 pm
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"Wolfgang Schwanke" a écrit dans le
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> Sure, but maybe it's easier to endure in warm
> weather and with colleagues who have a Mediterranean
> attitude about "discipline".
The problem with the "Mediterranean attitude" is that it applies to
everything, not just the things you'd like it to apply to. So the work
environment is more casual, but you also have to wait weeks to accomplish
the simple things in life, such as getting a telephone, waiting for the
government to process paperwork, waiting for ordered merchandise to show up,
and so on. Overall, it works out to about the same thing as anywhere else.
> You bet.
In what way?
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> Sure, but maybe it's easier to endure in warm
> weather and with colleagues who have a Mediterranean
> attitude about "discipline".
The problem with the "Mediterranean attitude" is that it applies to
everything, not just the things you'd like it to apply to. So the work
environment is more casual, but you also have to wait weeks to accomplish
the simple things in life, such as getting a telephone, waiting for the
government to process paperwork, waiting for ordered merchandise to show up,
and so on. Overall, it works out to about the same thing as anywhere else.
> You bet.
In what way?
Oct 20th 2002, 4:01 pm
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"Emilia Bedilia" a écrit dans le message de news:
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> If he works in a company used to more 'relaxed'
> work attitude, he could be the star of the show,
> and thus be promoted faster.
Companies like that are often uninterested in "stars," and may even resent
them.
> Is it better to be a big fish in a small pond,
> or a small fish in a big pond???
Neither. It's best to be a fish that fits the pond.
> Maybe, but maybe he is becoming depressed with
> the lack of sunshine.
When you work in IT, you spend all your life indoors, anyway, so what
difference does it make?
[email protected]...
> If he works in a company used to more 'relaxed'
> work attitude, he could be the star of the show,
> and thus be promoted faster.
Companies like that are often uninterested in "stars," and may even resent
them.
> Is it better to be a big fish in a small pond,
> or a small fish in a big pond???
Neither. It's best to be a fish that fits the pond.
> Maybe, but maybe he is becoming depressed with
> the lack of sunshine.
When you work in IT, you spend all your life indoors, anyway, so what
difference does it make?
Oct 20th 2002, 4:12 pm
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in
news:bqWdnb_WLraETi-gXTWcow@giganew-
s.com:
> The problem with the "Mediterranean attitude" is that it applies to
> everything, not just the things you'd like it to apply to. So the
> work environment is more casual, but you also have to wait weeks to
> accomplish the simple things in life, such as getting a telephone,
> waiting for the government to process paperwork, waiting for ordered
> merchandise to show up, and so on.
Sounds like Germany. Can't be worse.
> Overall, it works out to about the
> same thing as anywhere else.
>> You bet.
> In what way?
Well, everywhere. Software and hardware sales are going down, fewer big
projects, the new economy bubble has burst. Currently the job situation in
that field is quite bad.
Regards
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news:bqWdnb_WLraETi-gXTWcow@giganew-
s.com:
> The problem with the "Mediterranean attitude" is that it applies to
> everything, not just the things you'd like it to apply to. So the
> work environment is more casual, but you also have to wait weeks to
> accomplish the simple things in life, such as getting a telephone,
> waiting for the government to process paperwork, waiting for ordered
> merchandise to show up, and so on.
Sounds like Germany. Can't be worse.
> Overall, it works out to about the
> same thing as anywhere else.
>> You bet.
> In what way?
Well, everywhere. Software and hardware sales are going down, fewer big
projects, the new economy bubble has burst. Currently the job situation in
that field is quite bad.
Regards
--
Im neuen Millenium Synergieeffekte nutzen
Oct 20th 2002, 4:22 pm
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Re: What is the state of the greek IT job market?
ugh.
On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 18:01:47 +0200, "Mxsmanic"
wrote:
>"Emilia Bedilia" a écrit dans le message de news:
>[email protected]...
>> If he works in a company used to more 'relaxed'
>> work attitude, he could be the star of the show,
>> and thus be promoted faster.
>Companies like that are often uninterested in "stars," and may even resent
>them.
>> Is it better to be a big fish in a small pond,
>> or a small fish in a big pond???
>Neither. It's best to be a fish that fits the pond.
>> Maybe, but maybe he is becoming depressed with
>> the lack of sunshine.
>When you work in IT, you spend all your life indoors, anyway, so what
>difference does it make?
On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 18:01:47 +0200, "Mxsmanic"
wrote:
>"Emilia Bedilia" a écrit dans le message de news:
>[email protected]...
>> If he works in a company used to more 'relaxed'
>> work attitude, he could be the star of the show,
>> and thus be promoted faster.
>Companies like that are often uninterested in "stars," and may even resent
>them.
>> Is it better to be a big fish in a small pond,
>> or a small fish in a big pond???
>Neither. It's best to be a fish that fits the pond.
>> Maybe, but maybe he is becoming depressed with
>> the lack of sunshine.
>When you work in IT, you spend all your life indoors, anyway, so what
>difference does it make?
Oct 21st 2002, 12:24 am
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"Wolfgang Schwanke" a écrit dans le
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> Sounds like Germany. Can't be worse.
Germany operates at lightspeed compared to countries further south.
> Well, everywhere. Software and hardware sales
> are going down, fewer big projects, the new
> economy bubble has burst. Currently the job
> situation in that field is quite bad.
What percentage of IT workers are unemployed?
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> Sounds like Germany. Can't be worse.
Germany operates at lightspeed compared to countries further south.
> Well, everywhere. Software and hardware sales
> are going down, fewer big projects, the new
> economy bubble has burst. Currently the job
> situation in that field is quite bad.
What percentage of IT workers are unemployed?
Oct 21st 2002, 10:10 am
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In article , Mxsmanic
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>When you work in IT, you spend all your life indoors, anyway, so what
>difference does it make?
True - when I tried to use my laptop on my patio last summer, I couldn't
see a thing on the screen and had to take it back indoors.
So much for Sandra Bullock using her laptop on a Mexican beach in 'The
Net'.
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>When you work in IT, you spend all your life indoors, anyway, so what
>difference does it make?
True - when I tried to use my laptop on my patio last summer, I couldn't
see a thing on the screen and had to take it back indoors.
So much for Sandra Bullock using her laptop on a Mexican beach in 'The
Net'.
--
congokid
Eating out in London? Read my tips...
http://congokid.com
Oct 21st 2002, 9:54 pm
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"Mxsmanic" wrote:
>Anyway, be advised that the conditions you describe are largely a
>consequence of the profession, not the geography. You can avoid the rain
>and gray, but the rat race remains.
Not necessarily. I switched to a non-profit organization several
years ago. That allowed me to stay in the profession but leave the
corporate rat race. And while I'm well under the corporate salary
structure, I get more than double the vacation time. It's the perfect
situation for someone with wanderlust.
K
>Anyway, be advised that the conditions you describe are largely a
>consequence of the profession, not the geography. You can avoid the rain
>and gray, but the rat race remains.
Not necessarily. I switched to a non-profit organization several
years ago. That allowed me to stay in the profession but leave the
corporate rat race. And while I'm well under the corporate salary
structure, I get more than double the vacation time. It's the perfect
situation for someone with wanderlust.
K
Oct 22nd 2002, 1:40 am
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"congokid" a écrit dans le message de news:
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> So much for Sandra Bullock using her laptop
> on a Mexican beach in 'The Net'.
It would be really hard for her to connect to the Net on a Mexican beach,
anyway.
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> So much for Sandra Bullock using her laptop
> on a Mexican beach in 'The Net'.
It would be really hard for her to connect to the Net on a Mexican beach,
anyway.
Oct 22nd 2002, 1:41 am
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"Keeger" a écrit dans le message de news:
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> And while I'm well under the corporate salary
> structure, I get more than double the vacation
> time. It's the perfect situation for someone
> with wanderlust.
I think the perfect situation is telecommuting. But Europeans are even more
backward in that respect than Americans.
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> And while I'm well under the corporate salary
> structure, I get more than double the vacation
> time. It's the perfect situation for someone
> with wanderlust.
I think the perfect situation is telecommuting. But Europeans are even more
backward in that respect than Americans.
