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Which EU countries have best safety net for disabled or unemployed?

Old Jun 18th 2020, 9:28 pm
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Originally Posted by Pulaski View Post
But that advice would be voided if you were to qualify for citizenship ..... which in some countries might require you to actually give up your British citizenship.
Which Is why I said work-visa, a national wouldn't be there on a work-visa, they would have the right to live and work there.
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Old Jun 19th 2020, 5:11 am
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Quick answer, none of them, all work visas have that little clause in them that permit the host country to return you to where you came from should you become a burden on the state. I can't think of any country that will take on another national for what may become a lifetime of expensive medical and social care unless somebody else is picking up the tab.

I should add that if your mate is a UK citizen, then the UK E111 form only covers emergency medical cover while on a short visit abroad and the S1 form is now only issued to people in receipt of a UK state old-age pension; all rather a moot point once the current UK/EU trade negotiations are concluded. None of them ever covered social care.
Under EU Free Movement rule anybody can move. No discrimination. However, you have to bring your own medical insurance unless you have employment which in most countries will give you insurance. Free lance you can e.g. in Austria buy voluntary insurance with 6 month waiting period. Other countries may have different waits.
You need to show how you support yourself when you register with immigration, either by freelance income or job offer.
Post Brexit you will need work permit.
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Old Jun 19th 2020, 8:35 am
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Originally Posted by Pulaski View Post
But that advice would be voided if you were to qualify for citizenship ..... which in some countries might require you to actually give up your British citizenship.
I should apologise for my rather short reply last night; in my defence, I was using an iPhone and having fingers like fish-fingers, I hate using them for this kind of conversation. My concern is that he has not been specific in describing the illness, but from what he's said, these things don't have specific deadlines and having consulted my medical oracle (wife who when she qualified, specialised in caring for these types of things) could in fact occur tomorrow, a month, a year, 5 years time - ad infinitum. If this illness should present itself while on a work-visa and before he can qualify for residency/nationality, then he would be in the position of having to leave that country, so it is something to be considered (in my opinion).
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Old Jun 19th 2020, 8:39 am
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Originally Posted by Thairetired2016 View Post
Under EU Free Movement rule anybody can move. No discrimination. However, you have to bring your own medical insurance unless you have employment which in most countries will give you insurance. Free lance you can e.g. in Austria buy voluntary insurance with 6 month waiting period. Other countries may have different waits.
You need to show how you support yourself when you register with immigration, either by freelance income or job offer.
Post Brexit you will need work permit.
Thank you; I agree with what you've said. My only real comment is that in some EU countries, medical insurance is not voluntary and you must pay from the day you arrive. How much that costs may be driven by the type of cover you want and how much excess you are willing to pay.
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Old Jun 19th 2020, 2:17 pm
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Thank you; I agree with what you've said. My only real comment is that in some EU countries, medical insurance is not voluntary and you must pay from the day you arrive. How much that costs may be driven by the type of cover you want and how much excess you are willing to pay.
Medical insurance in the EU is compulsory to have: either private cover, cover through your job, or you need to pay voluntary contributions which are based on your income through freelance work, pension, investment income, rental income. We call these "voluntary" contributions because these are not deducted by your employer but you pay directly to Oesterreichische Krankenkasse. Without proof of medical insc. and income there is no registration allowing you to reside in Austria.
Post Brexit rules require you to apply for "Rot-Weiss-Rot" card like any 3rd country national. Read up on rules of Austrian BMI website.
Unless you were here on 31 Jan. you do not benefit from WA like S1, pension increase. But you can get this info from gov.uk living in Austria website. Or look up "UK in Austria" on Brit. embassy Vienna website.
The subject of WA and perks were extensively discussed on this forum.
And btw you would only qualify for citizenship if you have uninterruptedly lived and paid tax in Austria for min. 10 years. Requirements for test are high, fluent German required, steep fee. No dual citizenship allowed. Just in case you plan on this.


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Old Jun 19th 2020, 2:40 pm
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Originally Posted by notxn85 View Post
Hi,
I have lived in Austria twice, three years each. It is indeed a different country when one is resident, as I expect most countries are. Where we lived everyone was friendly and helpful, the environment was outstanding.
I have been reading this:: UK gov guidance pensions I hope I have read it correctly! As things progressed through the government last year it did get very confusing, this is the latest the website seems to have on it. As I read it I would get pension increases and my wife would get her benefits if I am resident by the end of the Transition period Let me know if you disagree with my understanding of it.
. However whether we will make that deadline is getting doubtful as once we sold up here and paid off the mortgage I am not sure we will have enough to buy where we want to live.
My understanding is that you won't be covered by the WA when you move after 31 Jan 2020 which has passed. No S1 or pension increase. Look up UK in Austria on Brit. Embassy Vienna website. Or BMI Austria website. Also you find a discussion on every country forum on Brit. Expats.
I wonder where you stayed when you lived in Austria? We are in Salzburg. People are friendly but only as long as they see a business opportunity. Salzburg is a nice place to live but too many tourists, prices are high for everything. It was bliss during lockdown, empty town. Properties are eye wateringly expensive. You can easily pay 300.000€ for a 30 sqm studio. Beware, as nonEU citizen you will need permission to buy. If you have any experience re living in Eisenstadt pls share your experience. We plan to look at Burgenland. Bring the cost down.

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Old Jun 20th 2020, 1:25 pm
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Originally Posted by Thairetired2016 View Post
My understanding is that you won't be covered by the WA when you move after 31 Jan 2020 which has passed. No S1 or pension increase. Look up UK in Austria on Brit. Embassy Vienna website. Or BMI Austria website. Also you find a discussion on every country forum on Brit. Expats.
I don't see that from the UK government web pages on the topic. They all say S1 forms will continue to be issued to those who are eligible throughout the transition period and that anyone covered by one on that end of transition date will continue to be covered for life as long as they remain resident in that same country. And that pension upratings will similarly apply, even to those who are not yet in receipt of their pension.

For example :
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/healthcare-in-austria#s1


and

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-austria#pensions

Have you any quotes from and links to the sites you mention that lead you to believe otherwise?
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Old Jun 20th 2020, 4:36 pm
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But you are not living in Austria. Transition period ends 31 Dec 2020. Thereafter rules change.
This is clear from the link you gave.
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Excellent.

We're now in complete agreement that contrary to what you previously said, people who move after 31st January just gone but before 31st December are covered by the Withdrawal Agreement when it comes S1 arrangements and pension upratings.

And I readily confirm that I am not living in Austria.
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