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Old Jun 15th 2020, 1:19 pm
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Originally Posted by scot47 View Post
For him it is best to stay in the UK if that is possible.

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....Well, I have heard Republic of Ireland is even harsher to those who are unable to work than the UK. .....
You think that the UK is "harsh" on those unable to work? You obviously have no idea what it is like outside the UK!

So please can you explain why your "friend" is so obsessed about leaving the UK to live anywhere in the EU?
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Old Jun 15th 2020, 1:44 pm
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His imaginary friend ? I suspect he is inquiring on his own behalf.
Some people think the Earth is flat, you think that my friend is imaginary. Fine, you can believe in anything you like.
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Old Jun 15th 2020, 1:53 pm
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You think that the UK is "harsh" on those unable to work? You obviously have no idea what it is like outside the UK!

So please can you explain why your "friend" is so obsessed about leaving the UK to live anywhere in the EU?
Well said and I don't know how much more people can expect. As for Ireland being even harsher, the government have been handing out €350 a week per person during Covid.
At the end of the day nothing is free but nobody has to starve in this part or the world.
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Originally Posted by Pulaski View Post
You think that the UK is "harsh" on those unable to work? You obviously have no idea what it is like outside the UK!
Does that apply to countries like Sweden, Denmark, NL, France, Germany? I doubt that.
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So please can you explain why your "friend" is so obsessed about leaving the UK to live anywhere in the EU?
Well, quite evidently the British healthcare as well as social care systems are clearly not up to scratch.

Another reason (while he is still able to work) is that most of his clients are on the continent. And he will be unable to provide his on-site services to them once the transition period is over.
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As for Ireland being even harsher, the government have been handing out €350 a week per person during Covid.
Covid is a different story but if you have statistics or evidences that Irish health care and safety nets are much better than British ones, please describe them here.
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Old Jun 15th 2020, 2:06 pm
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Does that apply to countries like Sweden, Denmark, NL, France, Germany? I doubt that. ....
You might not be comparing like for like - the cost of living, especially in Scanadanivia is very high, so a large benefit payment might not go as far as you, or your "friend", think.
..... Well, quite evidently the British healthcare as well as social care systems are clearly not up to scratch. ....
Sorry, it's not "quite evident", other than by rumour, speculation, and prejudice. Please would you care to provide actual evidence of what you're talking about. And if you're talking about care homes in the coronavirus pandemic, there have been horrendous problems in many countries, not just the UK, and in that context you might want to reconsider including Sweden in your list above.
.....Another reason (while he is still able to work) is that most of his clients are on the continent. And he will be unable to provide his on-site services to them once the transition period is over.
What sort of peculiar business activity will he be "unable to provide" after the transition period ends? Almost all cross border business activities will be able to continue, though there may be some additional red tape or less advantageous terms. Across the industrialized world travel for business purposes is allowed and accepted - or is he working as an on-site contractor, as opposed to just visiting a client?

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Old Jun 15th 2020, 2:09 pm
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Originally Posted by Ultramarine View Post
Covid is a different story but if you have statistics or evidences that Irish health care and safety nets are much better than British ones, please describe them here.
Rather than ask people to counter your phantom concerns, please describe what you, or your friend, thinks is wrong with the health care and social support system in the UK, then people can provide advice against that yardstick.
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Old Jun 15th 2020, 2:16 pm
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Covid is a different story but if you have statistics or evidences that Irish health care and safety nets are much better than British ones, please describe them here.
To be honest I don't want to compare two different systems and what's better is up to each individual (depending on location). What I know is that I certainly don't have to worry here and as an EU Citizen I can access healthcare in any other EU Country under the cross-border directive. Fact is that both countries have a lot of lazy people who get far too much. Harsh is something very different.
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Originally Posted by Pulaski View Post
You might not be comparing like for like - the cost of living, especially in Scanadanivia is very high, so a large benefit payment might not go as far as you, or your "friend", think.
Maybe or maybe not. And this is exactly the question my friend hopes to get answer for.




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Sorry, it's not "quite evident", other than by rumour, speculation, and prejudice. Please would you care to provide actual evidence of what you're talking about.
Already did, happy to repeat:
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The quality of NHS care is below any reasonable standard but only those with health issues had a chance to notice that. And somehow NHS became a sacred cow, no one dares to criticise it. Just one example - https://www.researchgate.net/publica...tus_of_the_NHS.



Originally Posted by Pulaski View Post
And if you're talking about care homes in the coronavirus pandemic, there have been horrendous problems in many countries, not just the UK, and in that context you might want to reconsider including Sweden in your list above.
No, it's not about covid times, the problem is much deeper.




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What sort of peculiar business activity will he be "unable to provide" after the transition period ends?
You just answered that yourself:
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or is he working as an on-site contractor, as opposed to just visiting a client?

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Old Jun 15th 2020, 4:09 pm
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Fact is that both countries have a lot of lazy people who get far too much.
Sure, tell someone blind or quadriplegic that they are all lazy and a few quid they get every week is far too much, will you?
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Sure, tell someone blind or quadriplegic that they are all lazy and a few quid they get every week is far too much, will you?
Moses said "a lot", not "everyone".
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Originally Posted by Pulaski View Post
Moses said "a lot", not "everyone".
So, would you say a lot of blind or quadriplegic people are just lazy?
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Old Jun 15th 2020, 4:28 pm
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So, would you say a lot of blind or quadriplegic people are just lazy?
No, they would fall into the group between "a lot" (of people who are lazy) and "everyone" (who is unable to work).
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No, they would fall into the group between "a lot" (of people who are lazy) and "everyone" (who is unable to work).
So, which type of disability you or Moses count as 'lazy' then?
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So, which type of disability you or Moses count as 'lazy' then?
Nobody has said that. You've twisted Moses' comment in to something he never said.

Moving on please……..

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