crazy idea...live in Europe; Job in UK
#1
crazy idea...live in Europe; Job in UK
My first post, so hi there
My global employer has a work from home policy where I currently work and live in Leeds.
My cunning plan is move out of whats left of England to a UK 'commutable' (say 1 or 2 meetings a month) location in Europe like Barcelona for example, where I could keep my UK job and eventually harmonise myself with the locals and language and quit my stressful job.
I have 2 english speaking children, 8 and 3, who would need to be educated in Spain, and a partner who is a Nanny by profession, so would probably want to work out there.....she is not so willing to learn the language, but hey it would come in time i guess.
My main question is would the UK/Spanish authorities allow me to have a UK employer and live in Spain?
Are there any pitfalls?
What about my wife and kids....is that also do-able?
Many thanks
J
My global employer has a work from home policy where I currently work and live in Leeds.
My cunning plan is move out of whats left of England to a UK 'commutable' (say 1 or 2 meetings a month) location in Europe like Barcelona for example, where I could keep my UK job and eventually harmonise myself with the locals and language and quit my stressful job.
I have 2 english speaking children, 8 and 3, who would need to be educated in Spain, and a partner who is a Nanny by profession, so would probably want to work out there.....she is not so willing to learn the language, but hey it would come in time i guess.
My main question is would the UK/Spanish authorities allow me to have a UK employer and live in Spain?
Are there any pitfalls?
What about my wife and kids....is that also do-able?
Many thanks
J
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Re: crazy idea...live in Europe; Job in UK
The only thing you have to remember is that you are not getting so many euros for your £ now since it dropped from 1.5ish last year to 1.23 at the moment. Even so, cost of living in rural spain is abt 30% cheaper than the UK, but you may find Barcelona is not that much cheaper!
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Re: crazy idea...live in Europe; Job in UK
My first post, so hi there
My global employer has a work from home policy where I currently work and live in Leeds.
My cunning plan is move out of whats left of England to a UK 'commutable' (say 1 or 2 meetings a month) location in Europe like Barcelona for example, where I could keep my UK job and eventually harmonise myself with the locals and language and quit my stressful job.
I have 2 english speaking children, 8 and 3, who would need to be educated in Spain, and a partner who is a Nanny by profession, so would probably want to work out there.....she is not so willing to learn the language, but hey it would come in time i guess.
My main question is would the UK/Spanish authorities allow me to have a UK employer and live in Spain?
Are there any pitfalls?
What about my wife and kids....is that also do-able?
Many thanks
J
My global employer has a work from home policy where I currently work and live in Leeds.
My cunning plan is move out of whats left of England to a UK 'commutable' (say 1 or 2 meetings a month) location in Europe like Barcelona for example, where I could keep my UK job and eventually harmonise myself with the locals and language and quit my stressful job.
I have 2 english speaking children, 8 and 3, who would need to be educated in Spain, and a partner who is a Nanny by profession, so would probably want to work out there.....she is not so willing to learn the language, but hey it would come in time i guess.
My main question is would the UK/Spanish authorities allow me to have a UK employer and live in Spain?
Are there any pitfalls?
What about my wife and kids....is that also do-able?
Many thanks
J
We will start with the Kids, You want to put them into school private education i presume £4,000 per child a term £24,000 a year, not a gaurentee will be fluent in Spanish. Spanish state school throw them in at the deep end will be fluent in a year, but high school education not very good for the less bright easily overlooked.
Jobs, The Spanish currently have as big unemployment problem as we do,sorry to say one on one they will always employ Spanish first, thats life everywhere. travel, the day of the regular low cost flights have now gone very far and few between, you can still get them but you can not pick and choose as you are set to certain dates.
Finaly you want a laid back life style and you think spain can give you this, maybe, great weather June July August might as well be raining outside as you can not walk about in it in certain parts of the country, thats why you never see the Spanish outside in these months. have you ever driven round a major city or try some of the resorts on the Costa Del Sol, about as laid back as a cat in a pigeon coup, now as for your question you can work and live in Spain as long as you decide where you are going to pay your tax. Open an account with the Halifax as they have branches in Spain Halifax Hispania also Barcalys then if you want to move money it will not cost you anything plus you can get advise from them about tax ect ect hope this does not put you off.
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Re: crazy idea...live in Europe; Job in UK
Well i dont want to pour cold water on your fire but i think someone has to,
We will start with the Kids, You want to put them into school private education i presume £4,000 per child a term £24,000 a year, not a gaurentee will be fluent in Spanish. Spanish state school throw them in at the deep end will be fluent in a year, but high school education not very good for the less bright easily overlooked.
Jobs, The Spanish currently have as big unemployment problem as we do,sorry to say one on one they will always employ Spanish first, thats life everywhere. travel, the day of the regular low cost flights have now gone very far and few between, you can still get them but you can not pick and choose as you are set to certain dates.
Finaly you want a laid back life style and you think spain can give you this, maybe, great weather June July August might as well be raining outside as you can not walk about in it in certain parts of the country, thats why you never see the Spanish outside in these months. have you ever driven round a major city or try some of the resorts on the Costa Del Sol, about as laid back as a cat in a pigeon coup, now as for your question you can work and live in Spain as long as you decide where you are going to pay your tax. Open an account with the Halifax as they have branches in Spain Halifax Hispania also Barcalys then if you want to move money it will not cost you anything plus you can get advise from them about tax ect ect hope this does not put you off.
We will start with the Kids, You want to put them into school private education i presume £4,000 per child a term £24,000 a year, not a gaurentee will be fluent in Spanish. Spanish state school throw them in at the deep end will be fluent in a year, but high school education not very good for the less bright easily overlooked.
Jobs, The Spanish currently have as big unemployment problem as we do,sorry to say one on one they will always employ Spanish first, thats life everywhere. travel, the day of the regular low cost flights have now gone very far and few between, you can still get them but you can not pick and choose as you are set to certain dates.
Finaly you want a laid back life style and you think spain can give you this, maybe, great weather June July August might as well be raining outside as you can not walk about in it in certain parts of the country, thats why you never see the Spanish outside in these months. have you ever driven round a major city or try some of the resorts on the Costa Del Sol, about as laid back as a cat in a pigeon coup, now as for your question you can work and live in Spain as long as you decide where you are going to pay your tax. Open an account with the Halifax as they have branches in Spain Halifax Hispania also Barcalys then if you want to move money it will not cost you anything plus you can get advise from them about tax ect ect hope this does not put you off.
The OP is talking about working in the UK and commuting from Spain, did you misunderstand?
Good weather in June July and August ..... where in Spain do you live
I was in our pool in May and still able to go in in October! We eventually lit a fire at the end of November. I see the Spanish out all year
No low cost flights? I have visitors here from Birmingham who paid €5 return with Ryanair each. Friends coming in April who are paying €60 return each
On Tax, if you are a Spanish resident and are here for more than 180 days then you are required to pay your taxes here
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Re: crazy idea...live in Europe; Job in UK
Private education? They would have a much better chance in a state school and integrate much better
The OP is talking about working in the UK and commuting from Spain, did you misunderstand?
Good weather in June July and August ..... where in Spain do you live
I was in our pool in May and still able to go in in October! We eventually lit a fire at the end of November. I see the Spanish out all year
No low cost flights? I have visitors here from Birmingham who paid €5 return with Ryanair each. Friends coming in April who are paying €60 return each
On Tax, if you are a Spanish resident and are here for more than 180 days then you are required to pay your taxes here
The OP is talking about working in the UK and commuting from Spain, did you misunderstand?
Good weather in June July and August ..... where in Spain do you live
I was in our pool in May and still able to go in in October! We eventually lit a fire at the end of November. I see the Spanish out all year
No low cost flights? I have visitors here from Birmingham who paid €5 return with Ryanair each. Friends coming in April who are paying €60 return each
On Tax, if you are a Spanish resident and are here for more than 180 days then you are required to pay your taxes here
As for the weather i have spent boxing day on the beach, try walking abought in the Costa heat in June July Aug Mad dogs and Englishmen rasberry ripples, and the Spanish do not wander about in the high temptemperaturesthey can help it.
Spain to England England to Spain does not make any diffdifferencehad friends who did the same thing did not work out very well for them. ok you have to travel back and forth try and get a cheap flight in the school holidays! and there is a lot of them, go on line to any of the low cost airlines and try to get a flight 22rd of May when the kids break up or will they take a holiday themselves then i dont think so, wake up and smell the coffcoiffen thats gone up in Spain now.
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Re: crazy idea...live in Europe; Job in UK
If I gather correctly from your opening post, you will only need to come back to the UK twice a month, for meetings? In that case, you won't lose too much time travelling - it would be different if you were travelling back and forth once or twice a week. It's not just the flight that takes a long time (although you should always be prepared for delays; maybe best to fly back the night before and b&b somewhere), it's the getting to and from the airport, checking in etc. But yes, under your scenario you'll be travelling less than many of us who commute 2-4 hours a day.
Would it be possible to change from being directly employed, to that as a contractor? If possible arrange for your company to pay your fees in Euros (as you'd be incurring expenses, living costs in Euros). This doesn't mean that the pound won't necessarily go up against the Euro, but best not to gamble with your main income. You can always transfer 30% of your money back into a sterling account if you're concerned about currency fluctuations.
As for the climate - if you settle on the north coast (Santander, Basque country, Asturias or Galaica) you will be able to walk in the sun in July or August. You may find you haven't escaped the rain the rest of the year though.
As for finding a place to buy - there are great variations in price between different areas. Generally, the further you are from either the coast or the main cities of Madrid and Barcelona, the cheaper the housing (although the Basque country is surprisingly expensive). Having said that, the current downturn is probably going to hit the coastal areas hardest.
Lastly - learning the language is going to be a big challenge - even for the kids. You will make it doubly so if you move to Barcelona, as you will need to learn Catalan too (for example dealing with official forms, reading your apartment rule book etc).
Good Luck!
Can I ask what line of work you're involved in?
Would it be possible to change from being directly employed, to that as a contractor? If possible arrange for your company to pay your fees in Euros (as you'd be incurring expenses, living costs in Euros). This doesn't mean that the pound won't necessarily go up against the Euro, but best not to gamble with your main income. You can always transfer 30% of your money back into a sterling account if you're concerned about currency fluctuations.
As for the climate - if you settle on the north coast (Santander, Basque country, Asturias or Galaica) you will be able to walk in the sun in July or August. You may find you haven't escaped the rain the rest of the year though.
As for finding a place to buy - there are great variations in price between different areas. Generally, the further you are from either the coast or the main cities of Madrid and Barcelona, the cheaper the housing (although the Basque country is surprisingly expensive). Having said that, the current downturn is probably going to hit the coastal areas hardest.
Lastly - learning the language is going to be a big challenge - even for the kids. You will make it doubly so if you move to Barcelona, as you will need to learn Catalan too (for example dealing with official forms, reading your apartment rule book etc).
Good Luck!
Can I ask what line of work you're involved in?
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Re: crazy idea...live in Europe; Job in UK
My first post, so hi there
My global employer has a work from home policy where I currently work and live in Leeds.
My cunning plan is move out of whats left of England to a UK 'commutable' (say 1 or 2 meetings a month) location in Europe like Barcelona for example, where I could keep my UK job and eventually harmonise myself with the locals and language and quit my stressful job.
I have 2 english speaking children, 8 and 3, who would need to be educated in Spain, and a partner who is a Nanny by profession, so would probably want to work out there.....she is not so willing to learn the language, but hey it would come in time i guess.
My main question is would the UK/Spanish authorities allow me to have a UK employer and live in Spain?
Are there any pitfalls?
What about my wife and kids....is that also do-able?
Many thanks
J
My global employer has a work from home policy where I currently work and live in Leeds.
My cunning plan is move out of whats left of England to a UK 'commutable' (say 1 or 2 meetings a month) location in Europe like Barcelona for example, where I could keep my UK job and eventually harmonise myself with the locals and language and quit my stressful job.
I have 2 english speaking children, 8 and 3, who would need to be educated in Spain, and a partner who is a Nanny by profession, so would probably want to work out there.....she is not so willing to learn the language, but hey it would come in time i guess.
My main question is would the UK/Spanish authorities allow me to have a UK employer and live in Spain?
Are there any pitfalls?
What about my wife and kids....is that also do-able?
Many thanks
J
Edit - looks like the OP is heading Canada bound
Last edited by Cape Blue; Jan 17th 2009 at 8:32 pm. Reason: update
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Re: crazy idea...live in Europe; Job in UK
Well two boys 8yrs in the spanish state system hmmm i know better
As for the weather i have spent boxing day on the beach, try walking abought in the Costa heat in June July Aug Mad dogs and Englishmen rasberry ripples, and the Spanish do not wander about in the high temptemperaturesthey can help it.
Spain to England England to Spain does not make any diffdifferencehad friends who did the same thing did not work out very well for them. ok you have to travel back and forth try and get a cheap flight in the school holidays! and there is a lot of them, go on line to any of the low cost airlines and try to get a flight 22rd of May when the kids break up or will they take a holiday themselves then i dont think so, wake up and smell the coffcoiffen thats gone up in Spain now.
As for the weather i have spent boxing day on the beach, try walking abought in the Costa heat in June July Aug Mad dogs and Englishmen rasberry ripples, and the Spanish do not wander about in the high temptemperaturesthey can help it.
Spain to England England to Spain does not make any diffdifferencehad friends who did the same thing did not work out very well for them. ok you have to travel back and forth try and get a cheap flight in the school holidays! and there is a lot of them, go on line to any of the low cost airlines and try to get a flight 22rd of May when the kids break up or will they take a holiday themselves then i dont think so, wake up and smell the coffcoiffen thats gone up in Spain now.
Actually I do travel back and fore to the UK and do get cheap flights regularly. You said "the day of the regular low cost flights have now gone very far and few between, you can still get them but you can not pick and choose as you are set to certain dates." - I disagree.
I also do know what its like in "the Costa Sun". I do live here.
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Re: crazy idea...live in Europe; Job in UK
thanks for the replies. Cape Blue is correct, we are Canada bound as I think most of the points made in this thread have made the Spain idea a no go.
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Re: crazy idea...live in Europe; Job in UK
Hmmm ... without knowing me at all, you decide you know better .... OK, fine I understand
Actually I do travel back and fore to the UK and do get cheap flights regularly. You said "the day of the regular low cost flights have now gone very far and few between, you can still get them but you can not pick and choose as you are set to certain dates." - I disagree.
I also do know what its like in "the Costa Sun". I do live here.
Actually I do travel back and fore to the UK and do get cheap flights regularly. You said "the day of the regular low cost flights have now gone very far and few between, you can still get them but you can not pick and choose as you are set to certain dates." - I disagree.
I also do know what its like in "the Costa Sun". I do live here.
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Sorry forgot to tell you i know the church Pastor that they interviewed in the programme very respected man, i would not always believe the media but the man yes as he has lived on the costa for over 20yrs and i have known him for the last 6yrs that is what i base my facts on, sometimes you have to have faith in your fellow man. whereabouts in Spain do you live Mitzyboy.
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Re: crazy idea...live in Europe; Job in UK
Sorry forgot to tell you i know the church Pastor that they interviewed in the programme very respected man, i would not always believe the media but the man yes as he has lived on the costa for over 20yrs and i have known him for the last 6yrs that is what i base my facts on, sometimes you have to have faith in your fellow man. whereabouts in Spain do you live Mitzyboy.
Regrettably there will always be victims in times such as thease and we can only hope that they survive one way or another.
I live in the North of the Costa Blanca near Gandia / Oliva. I cant say or not if the situation is slightly better here than where you are, but we dont see the hardship that you and the rev speak of, and although I know there are ex pats returning, theres plenty that seem to be coming also
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I saw the article GB. I am aware there are people who are struggling here, and I'm aware there are people struggling in the UK as well ..... its all very sad and concerning.
Regrettably there will always be victims in times such as thease and we can only hope that they survive one way or another.
I live in the North of the Costa Blanca near Gandia / Oliva. I cant say or not if the situation is slightly better here than where you are, but we dont see the hardship that you and the rev speak of, and although I know there are ex pats returning, theres plenty that seem to be coming also
Regrettably there will always be victims in times such as thease and we can only hope that they survive one way or another.
I live in the North of the Costa Blanca near Gandia / Oliva. I cant say or not if the situation is slightly better here than where you are, but we dont see the hardship that you and the rev speak of, and although I know there are ex pats returning, theres plenty that seem to be coming also
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Re: crazy idea...live in Europe; Job in UK
Well two boys 8yrs in the spanish state system hmmm i know better
As for the weather i have spent boxing day on the beach, try walking abought in the Costa heat in June July Aug Mad dogs and Englishmen rasberry ripples, and the Spanish do not wander about in the high temptemperaturesthey can help it.
Spain to England England to Spain does not make any diffdifferencehad friends who did the same thing did not work out very well for them. ok you have to travel back and forth try and get a cheap flight in the school holidays! and there is a lot of them, go on line to any of the low cost airlines and try to get a flight 22rd of May when the kids break up or will they take a holiday themselves then i dont think so, wake up and smell the coffcoiffen thats gone up in Spain now.
As for the weather i have spent boxing day on the beach, try walking abought in the Costa heat in June July Aug Mad dogs and Englishmen rasberry ripples, and the Spanish do not wander about in the high temptemperaturesthey can help it.
Spain to England England to Spain does not make any diffdifferencehad friends who did the same thing did not work out very well for them. ok you have to travel back and forth try and get a cheap flight in the school holidays! and there is a lot of them, go on line to any of the low cost airlines and try to get a flight 22rd of May when the kids break up or will they take a holiday themselves then i dont think so, wake up and smell the coffcoiffen thats gone up in Spain now.
So you dont pay the full price.
And i dont think that you are being very supportive and helpful, which is what these sites are for.