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Old Dec 22nd 2001, 6:22 pm
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Which is the most attractive EU country to live in for British ex-pats? I know that many European countries are quite nice, but a big problem for me would be language. I know it may sound trivial, but I would miss watching the News in English and light entertainment such as the Fresh Prince just isn't funny when it's dubbed in German.

I quite like the idea of Spain, but I'm wondering if there are any large (professional class) British residential areas?

I was thinking of living in another EU country for a year or two.

Is it true that you have to obtain a permit to live and work in another EU country?
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Old Dec 22nd 2001, 7:20 pm
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If you are a full British Citizen then you can work in any EU country without any
work permit

There are many resorts in Spain with "Little Englands". Whether they are populated
with professional classes depends on semantics.

The availability of very cheap flights has changed the type of immigrant living in
Spain - they are not all mobsters now!

I know two that have jobs in the UK but prefer to live in Spain. They both are
contractors in IT, so can work from home with a weekly trip to their UK base.

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Old Dec 22nd 2001, 7:49 pm
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"ks" <[email protected]> wrote > Is it true that you have to obtain a permit
to live and work in another
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If you are an EU citizen, then you have the right to live and work in any other EU
country, without any kind of permit.

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Old Dec 23rd 2001, 2:52 am
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Le 22 Dec 2001 20:20:56 GMT, Wessie <[email protected]> a écrit :

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This is _almost_ true. I don't know the situation in the other nations in the 'Espace
Schengen', but in France, even British citizen need a 'carte de séjour' if they plan
to stay in the country for more than three months.

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Old Dec 23rd 2001, 2:55 am
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Le 22 Dec 2001 14:40:18 -0500, ks <[email protected]> a écrit :

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I think that irrespective of which country you find yourself in, cable and satellite
availability, would make life a lot more bearable ...

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In France, a citizen of an EU nation, can enter the country and remain for up to
three months, whilst searching for work. After three months, he or she must obtain a
Carte de Séjour, from the Town Hall or (in Paris) the Préfecture de Police. Cartes de
Séjour are valid for (depending on the type of work contract obtained) either one
year, or ten years.

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Old Dec 23rd 2001, 3:38 am
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Desmond Coughlan wrote:
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[usenetquote2]> > If you are a full British Citizen then you can work in any EU country without any[/usenetquote2]
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I think if you check you'll find this is true for any citizen of an EC country. But
in contrast with non-EU citizens, getting the carte de sejour is just a quick
formality. Get your passport or national ID cart, plus a letter from your employer
and perhaps something that has your address on it and you'll get it automatically
within a couple of days.
 
Old Dec 23rd 2001, 5:13 am
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Le Sun, 23 Dec 2001 04:38:20 GMT, devil <[email protected]> a écrit :

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[usenetquote2]>> This is _almost_ true. I don't know the situation in the other nations in the[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> 'Espace Schengen', but in France, even British citizen need a 'carte de séjour' if[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> they plan to stay in the country for more than three months.[/usenetquote2]

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Yes, that was why I used the word, 'even'.

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If this is the reality of getting a Carte de Séjour, all I can say is that they have
made progress since I applied for mine, in 1997. I don't offhand recall the documents
that were required, but the application necessitated three hours at the Préfecture de
Police, and then another hour and a half to pick up the Carte, three months later. 'A
couple of days' strikes me as somewhat optimistic but as I say, they may have speeded
things up since I was last there.

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Old Dec 23rd 2001, 6:44 am
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You'll find medium to large expat British communities in several areas of Spain but
the largest are probably in and around Benidorm and Marbella. Near the latter, you
may find that some are from the professional classes - of criminals...

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Old Dec 23rd 2001, 2:10 pm
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Desmond Coughlan wrote:
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[usenetquote2]> >> This is _almost_ true. I don't know the situation in the other nations in the[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> 'Espace Schengen', but in France, even British citizen need a 'carte de séjour'[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> if they plan to stay in the country for more than three months.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> > employer and perhaps something that has your address on it and you'll get it[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > automatically within a couple of days.[/usenetquote2]
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Well, first, this is for EU citizen. Second, my experience was not in Paris. I
expected having to deal with a pretty ugly bureaucracy, but I was quite pleasantly
surprised.

Also, it was free. And BTW, looking at the now expired card, the top right corner has
a blue background and it says "Communaute' Europeenne, Carte de se'jour."

And on the back, "Toutes activite's professionnelles en vertu du re`glement 1612.68."
 
Old Dec 23rd 2001, 5:21 pm
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Le Sun, 23 Dec 2001 15:10:49 GMT, devil <[email protected]> a écrit :

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[usenetquote2]>> If this is the reality of getting a Carte de Séjour, all I can say is that they[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> have made progress since I applied for mine, in 1997. I don't offhand recall the[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> documents that were required, but the application necessitated three hours at the[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> Préfecture de Police, and then another hour and a half to pick up the Carte, three[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> months later. 'A couple of days' strikes me as somewhat optimistic but as I say,[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]>> they may have speeded things up since I was last there.[/usenetquote2]

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As was my application.

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I can't remember if mine cost anything.

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As does mine.

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Ditto.
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Old Dec 23rd 2001, 6:12 pm
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Desmond Coughlan wrote:
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[usenetquote2]> >> If this is the reality of getting a Carte de Séjour, all I can say is that they[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> have made progress since I applied for mine, in 1997. I don't offhand recall the[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> documents that were required, but the application necessitated three hours at[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> the Préfecture de Police, and then another hour and a half to pick up the Carte,[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> three months later. 'A couple of days' strikes me as somewhat optimistic but as[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >> I say, they may have speeded things up since I was last there.[/usenetquote2]
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Just look in the back; there is room for a "timbre fiscal." Is there one?
 
Old Dec 24th 2001, 3:36 am
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Le Sun, 23 Dec 2001 19:12:03 GMT, devil <[email protected]> a écrit :

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[usenetquote2]>> > Also, it was free.[/usenetquote2]

[usenetquote2]>> I can't remember if mine cost anything.[/usenetquote2]

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'Ang on ...

<fx: scuttles off to dig out Carte de Séjour ...>

Nope, no timbre fiscal.

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Old Dec 24th 2001, 6:57 pm
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ks <[email protected]> schreef in artikel

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If language is your big problem, you should consider the Netherlands. Most Dutch
speak excellent English, and all Dutch cities have BBC on cable television, as well
as some other channels in English, like BBC World, CNN, etc.

Regards, David
 

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