Any expats living in Montenego?
Mar 10th 2008, 11:43 am
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Re: Any expats living in Montenegro?
Many say that Tudjman , Miloshevitj and Izetbegovitj arranged for a little old-fashioned " Divide et Impera " ...also , how amazingly easy it was , at the time , to indoctrinate the masses and get them into those incredible war/genocide situations ;
the timing of course , was crucial and almost the last moment/s , for such unspeakable nonsense !
The EU , in the meantime , is becoming very much more a club of various regions co-operating , the national-ist characteristics giving way to all sorts of other considerations , not least to minimise the ever-increasing threats of globalisation ...
Nevertheless : isn't it just amazing how the Czechs and Slovaks could agree on an amicable divorce , how even the ex-USSR let the Baltic and some other states " go "...whereas the ( most of ) Balkans' "republics" preferred to go for ethnic cleansing first ?
The Yugo-nostalgics , inevitably : will eventually die away ;
yet , in astonishingly large quantities of younger generations ( some of them : much too young , to have known - or ever lived in - Tito's old Yugoslavia ) the ethnic tensions and national-chauvinism do not appear to get any better , and the media doesn't help either , just have a look at ZERP , Slovenian-Croatian petty land and sea disputes , the quantity and calibre of old Serbs returning to Krajina , attitudes at border crossings , radicalism of politicians in parliaments and on TV etc etc etc
the timing of course , was crucial and almost the last moment/s , for such unspeakable nonsense !
The EU , in the meantime , is becoming very much more a club of various regions co-operating , the national-ist characteristics giving way to all sorts of other considerations , not least to minimise the ever-increasing threats of globalisation ...
Nevertheless : isn't it just amazing how the Czechs and Slovaks could agree on an amicable divorce , how even the ex-USSR let the Baltic and some other states " go "...whereas the ( most of ) Balkans' "republics" preferred to go for ethnic cleansing first ?
The Yugo-nostalgics , inevitably : will eventually die away ;
yet , in astonishingly large quantities of younger generations ( some of them : much too young , to have known - or ever lived in - Tito's old Yugoslavia ) the ethnic tensions and national-chauvinism do not appear to get any better , and the media doesn't help either , just have a look at ZERP , Slovenian-Croatian petty land and sea disputes , the quantity and calibre of old Serbs returning to Krajina , attitudes at border crossings , radicalism of politicians in parliaments and on TV etc etc etc
Mar 10th 2008, 11:55 am
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Re: Any expats living in Montenego?
I agree and it gets even more complicated in all the Balkan countries where there are various tensions within their own ethnic groupings.
Montenegro seems to be cogging along quietly mainly due to the economic boom ever since independence. I read an article in a UK newspaper recently where the journalist said every Balkan country he visited the local cafe talk would always be about the recent wars except for Montenegro where it was only property prices.
Montenegro seems to be cogging along quietly mainly due to the economic boom ever since independence. I read an article in a UK newspaper recently where the journalist said every Balkan country he visited the local cafe talk would always be about the recent wars except for Montenegro where it was only property prices.
Mar 10th 2008, 12:19 pm
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Good on you and on the locals , then !
We could all use another Monaco , so :
maybe you can put forward a few hot suggestions , to the right people in high Montenegrin places ?
We could all use another Monaco , so :
maybe you can put forward a few hot suggestions , to the right people in high Montenegrin places ?
Apr 3rd 2008, 3:55 am
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Thanks for your input, guys.
Got a better picture of what is happening there.
We can't sell out house in the UK right now anyway (and might not do so for another several years) and condidering other european contries for semi retirement now.
Got a better picture of what is happening there.
We can't sell out house in the UK right now anyway (and might not do so for another several years) and condidering other european contries for semi retirement now.
Apr 3rd 2008, 7:34 am
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Be so very kind , let us know about your next discoveries !
There's ( quite ) a few of us , out here , hoping and praying that there might yet be that such magical place , where we can retire to : with a bit of sunshine , affordable accommodation , low crime , bearable CoL & taxes , an occassional medical specialist within a few hours' travel , edible grub , potable water , breathable air etc etc;
the hopes and prayers don't seem to get answered , though ,
so we're currently glued to the ludicruos debacles of Zimbabwe , as seen on CNN/BBC ( might still turn out to be the next best-est place , for us , Brit-Expats : AND they all speak Queen's English AND you've never ever experienced kinder , more polite common or garden variety paupers anywhere , anytime....meaning that for a mere 100 million Zim$$$ - your equivalent of 20 pence or 40 Ozzzie cents - you too can afford a gardener , a chauffeur , a cook , a maid and a few other full-time staff , who'll all be eternally grateful for their jobs , employment , uniforms , food and environment in which they'll be considered by all to be blessed to live with you - and they'll , guaranteedly ! : remain loyal to you and yours until the premature ends of their natural lives...)
And I haven't even started telling you about those divine mangoes , papayas , litchies , steaks , lamb , organic chickens , the world's best climate - surely : we must be on wrong thread ?
There's ( quite ) a few of us , out here , hoping and praying that there might yet be that such magical place , where we can retire to : with a bit of sunshine , affordable accommodation , low crime , bearable CoL & taxes , an occassional medical specialist within a few hours' travel , edible grub , potable water , breathable air etc etc;
the hopes and prayers don't seem to get answered , though ,
so we're currently glued to the ludicruos debacles of Zimbabwe , as seen on CNN/BBC ( might still turn out to be the next best-est place , for us , Brit-Expats : AND they all speak Queen's English AND you've never ever experienced kinder , more polite common or garden variety paupers anywhere , anytime....meaning that for a mere 100 million Zim$$$ - your equivalent of 20 pence or 40 Ozzzie cents - you too can afford a gardener , a chauffeur , a cook , a maid and a few other full-time staff , who'll all be eternally grateful for their jobs , employment , uniforms , food and environment in which they'll be considered by all to be blessed to live with you - and they'll , guaranteedly ! : remain loyal to you and yours until the premature ends of their natural lives...)
And I haven't even started telling you about those divine mangoes , papayas , litchies , steaks , lamb , organic chickens , the world's best climate - surely : we must be on wrong thread ?
Apr 3rd 2008, 8:15 am
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I suppose we need to go to another planet for a cheap quality life style.
Northern Ireland is were my hubby is from is too gloomy, australia is too far from our families, SE Asia is too exotic etc.
We are researching Spain now but yes -the biggest issue would be language barrier for both of us. Even if we buy a guest house as we hope, we still better have at least
However our semi retirement/big move is still on the master planinng stage now things might change.
And it looks like it's impossible for us to invest into cheap Adriatic coastal property for number of reasons..
Apr 3rd 2008, 9:45 am
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You know : contrary to popular belief , I was NOT joking ( much ) about Zimbabwe ( have some Grrreat memories from there , before the so-called "western" world handed the then-afflunt , now : bankrupt poor Zimmies to a cleptomaniac Macchiavelist Marxist tyrant , 28 years ago , all in the name of some "democracy" , of course !
So , might be worth watching out for those developments , yet ?
As for Spain , we plan to visit in May , go-see-work stuff out ; the timing is far from right , as their property market is due for a huuuge correction , and the admission of such facts goes against the grain , of the whole population , business and banking interests , even many Brit-Expats ....and so on !
But , I might post on our experience/s , once we return...
The language issue : yet another consideration ?
Do stay in touch , Good Luck Down Under !
So , might be worth watching out for those developments , yet ?
As for Spain , we plan to visit in May , go-see-work stuff out ; the timing is far from right , as their property market is due for a huuuge correction , and the admission of such facts goes against the grain , of the whole population , business and banking interests , even many Brit-Expats ....and so on !
But , I might post on our experience/s , once we return...
The language issue : yet another consideration ?
Do stay in touch , Good Luck Down Under !
Apr 7th 2008, 2:12 pm
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Re: Any expats living in Montenego?
Serbia is a cheap place to invest and buy property but probably not in the heart of Belgrade and Novi Sad - As the Russians have moved into Montenegro, the Montenegrins have been spendnig their cash in Serbia.
Serbia is the hub of the Balkans, so when prices pull back (which i'm sure they will in the next 12 months or so) that'll be the tinme to start looking at Belgrade.
P.S. If you want a more informed/objective opinion about Serbia or Serbs in general don't bother listening to Ray51 - he's rabidly anti-Serb, so all you'll hear is the propaganda that he likes to spout.
Apr 7th 2008, 2:17 pm
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Serbia , these years , is a very touchy subject ,
primarily in the sense that ( since 90's wars , in punishment for which the Yanks took Kosovo away recently ) everything about it is so emotionally overloaded , so that any comment/s - ne'er you mind : fair , informed , helpful , whatever - could easily be terribly misunderstood and then proceed towards causing tons and myriads of slanging matches and insults ...just look at what ( once was ) the South African section of this same forae ...
But , nevertheless , herewith a few brief updates :
a ) the Swedish Ambassador stated last week that he was hopeful that Serbia might be invited to join the EU by 2015 ...now , whether one sees that as a good thing , or not ? A matter for yet another thread ?
b ) Cost of Living is higher there , than in Croatia , which itself is more expensive than Slovenia and some other new EU-member-states ;
wages ( outside politics and some public services ) are a bad joke ,
unemployment is high , there's lots of guns and all other armaments around ,
the economy is in bad state , corruption and bribery rife , law and order : suspect , as is the justice system ; the ( anti-EU ) prime minister Koshtunica just announced that will resign on Monday and then there might be parliamentary elections in May , with who-knows-what outcome....
- interested Russians , ever-lurking in the background , are seen by most : as Serbia's only friends in the whole wide world ;
- plus : the Serbs currently occupying large parts of Bosnia might try seccession and/or other political moves , which would cause further instability in the Balkans...
That was my 2 EUrocents' worth , for this quiet Brussels morning ...
primarily in the sense that ( since 90's wars , in punishment for which the Yanks took Kosovo away recently ) everything about it is so emotionally overloaded , so that any comment/s - ne'er you mind : fair , informed , helpful , whatever - could easily be terribly misunderstood and then proceed towards causing tons and myriads of slanging matches and insults ...just look at what ( once was ) the South African section of this same forae ...
But , nevertheless , herewith a few brief updates :
a ) the Swedish Ambassador stated last week that he was hopeful that Serbia might be invited to join the EU by 2015 ...now , whether one sees that as a good thing , or not ? A matter for yet another thread ?
b ) Cost of Living is higher there , than in Croatia , which itself is more expensive than Slovenia and some other new EU-member-states ;
wages ( outside politics and some public services ) are a bad joke ,
unemployment is high , there's lots of guns and all other armaments around ,
the economy is in bad state , corruption and bribery rife , law and order : suspect , as is the justice system ; the ( anti-EU ) prime minister Koshtunica just announced that will resign on Monday and then there might be parliamentary elections in May , with who-knows-what outcome....
- interested Russians , ever-lurking in the background , are seen by most : as Serbia's only friends in the whole wide world ;
- plus : the Serbs currently occupying large parts of Bosnia might try seccession and/or other political moves , which would cause further instability in the Balkans...
That was my 2 EUrocents' worth , for this quiet Brussels morning ...
How can the Serbs occupy a land they've always lived on?? It's like saying the English are occuying England - D'oH.
I like the bit about the Russians being the only friends of Serbia. For a country with "such few friends" it's doing a pretty good job of preventing Kosovo getting any recognition - 35/36 out of 192 at the last count and not one Arab country to boot. Says a lot about Kosovo's illegtimacy.
Apr 7th 2008, 2:29 pm
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Re: Any expats living in Montenego?
Either way , it does get helluva complicated , some might even say : boring ;
as far as I can tell , they ( " Bosnians of Serb ethnicity " ) "proclaimed" their own "Republika Srpska" ( N.B. as opposed to Croats , who never tried any such thing/s ) and have recently threatened to push for internationally-recognised independence of same ...
...hehehe , if only people would realise the fundamentals there ...;
- all this , at the same time when Bosnia/Herzegovina is progressing precisely towards nowhere , politically , economically and otherwise , testing the patience of international community ...and what next , once the limits of (un)reasonable behaviour have been exceeded ?
More senseless havoc , in the Balkans ?
Not much progress , I'm afraid , since those days , when Archduke Ferdinand got shot in Sarajevo ( and you can ask the Croats , too , many of them now struggling to return upwards to those standards of living they much complained about in late 80's , under ex-Yugoslavia...)
as far as I can tell , they ( " Bosnians of Serb ethnicity " ) "proclaimed" their own "Republika Srpska" ( N.B. as opposed to Croats , who never tried any such thing/s ) and have recently threatened to push for internationally-recognised independence of same ...
...hehehe , if only people would realise the fundamentals there ...;
- all this , at the same time when Bosnia/Herzegovina is progressing precisely towards nowhere , politically , economically and otherwise , testing the patience of international community ...and what next , once the limits of (un)reasonable behaviour have been exceeded ?
More senseless havoc , in the Balkans ?
Not much progress , I'm afraid , since those days , when Archduke Ferdinand got shot in Sarajevo ( and you can ask the Croats , too , many of them now struggling to return upwards to those standards of living they much complained about in late 80's , under ex-Yugoslavia...)
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. The Bosnian Serbs have as much right as the Kosovo Albanians to declare independence, as last time i looked the Dayton Peace agreement doesn't superscede UN law. Also, if it's OK for the Albanians to break away from Serbia, then the Serbs in Croatia should be allowed to have their own state of Krajina.
The Croats may not have openly stated that they want to break away, but for all intensive purposes they have. they are in a federation but there is absolutely NO interethnic coexistence between the Croats and the Bosnian muslims.
Apr 9th 2008, 11:26 am
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If we're not more careful with words and politics and allegations , this could soon become almost as uncontrollably toxic and hysterical as were the ( far too many ! ) exchanges on the ex-SethEffriken thread !
Apr 28th 2008, 5:05 pm
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Hi all,
I've just moved to Bijela, Herceg Novi. If any of you living here would be interested in meeting for a coffee please let me know. I'm originally from New Zealand and have moved here with my partner, who is a local.
Ziveli!
Sarah
I've just moved to Bijela, Herceg Novi. If any of you living here would be interested in meeting for a coffee please let me know. I'm originally from New Zealand and have moved here with my partner, who is a local.
Ziveli!
Sarah
Apr 29th 2008, 12:21 am
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Hi Tanya, thanks for your message. Can't open it yet though as I need to have at least three posts.
Apr 29th 2008, 12:23 am
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And that makes three. Sorry to those inconvenienced!
Jul 14th 2008, 2:11 pm
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Hello, just moved to Budva... originally from Burlington/oakville Ontario... working with investment funds, which are investing in REALESTATE of course 
if you wish to meet or if you can give me some updates on expats in budva, what to expect living here, it would really help... terrible when you dont know anyone 
...
please help me.. driving to Budva in morning from Split /croatia... contact me so we can exchange contact details
name is Kreso (chris)
all the best
working with investment funds, which are investing in REALESTATE of course if you wish to meet or if you can give me some updates on expats in budva, what to expect living here, it would really help... terrible when you dont know anyone ...please help me..
driving to Budva in morning from Split /croatia... contact me so we can exchange contact details name is Kreso (chris)
all the best
Anyone interested in joining a playgroup?
I am a Canadian citizen, married with a 1-year old son living and working in Herceg Novi. It looks like we'll be here for the next 5 years before returning home and I'd really like for our son to make some English-speaking friends. The influx of Brits into this area is rising so I'm thinking there may be a few of you with young children in the same situation we're in. I would like to start a playgroup that meets in our home once a week (to start) for the kiddies to have some fun and the adults to speak some non-broken English. Although you Brits may think our form of English no better than "Serbglish" (ha!). I thought of running an ad in the local paper here but I figured I may get more response on the blogs. Looking forward to hearing from you! Jennifer from Canada
I am a Canadian citizen, married with a 1-year old son living and working in Herceg Novi. It looks like we'll be here for the next 5 years before returning home and I'd really like for our son to make some English-speaking friends. The influx of Brits into this area is rising so I'm thinking there may be a few of you with young children in the same situation we're in. I would like to start a playgroup that meets in our home once a week (to start) for the kiddies to have some fun and the adults to speak some non-broken English. Although you Brits may think our form of English no better than "Serbglish" (ha!). I thought of running an ad in the local paper here but I figured I may get more response on the blogs. Looking forward to hearing from you! Jennifer from Canada
