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I didn't say anything about people who are on Welfare, I didn't even mention them! :confused:

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Just simple economics- half a million pensioners spending X amount in Spain gives jobs and through the multiplier effect a definite plus to the Spanish economy- and one cant replace 500,000 people overnight. I agree, the Spanish government should look at the costs vs benefits post-Brexit but I am fairly sure the amount spent by those pensioners exceeds whatever support costs Spain pays. There is a reason many countries actively seek to attract pensioners.

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Just think of all the Spanish people who are employed directly or indirectly in areas where British expats live. The Spanish Govt would be very aware of this.

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Amazing that the British government has not cottoned-on to that yet ??

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As long as you're "fairly sure", that should be enough to reassure any government worth its salt without going to the bother of any further analysis :)

However, given that the average UK pension is £18,000 and that many of those moving abroad do so, amongst other things, for a cheaper cost of living, there's always a chance that many of them might not actually represent a nett gain to the Spanish economy.

Take away the reciprocal charging on healthcare, pass the costs of that to the Spanish government and then consider whether an average or lower than average UK pension is always a benefit to the Spanish economy.

Under the current arrangements within the EU, I'd say it's sensible for southern EU states to take the broad view that overall, retirees from the north bring some benefits. However, given how picky some statisticians ;) can be about every individual migrant to the UK and whether they are likely to be an economic benefit to society over an entire lifetime, a similar approach from the Spanish or other governments when it comes to UK pensioners, if they are able to in future because of Brexit, could see them applying a filter on the grounds of income rather than accepting all as they must at the moment. After all, they probably don't welcome non EU retirees with under a set income or assets level and without health insurance.

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Good points ! I wonder if there are articles you have come across on the subject ?

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The Spanish government does today ask you demonstrate sufficient income so as not to be a "Burden on the State" , the actual income figure required is open to a very wide series of interpretations by local administrations.

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For EU citizens, it can't be any more than the national minimum wage.

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Why should the Spanish government be aware of this? Does it matter to the British and their government that 3 million hard working, tax paying EU citizens live, rent, consume in the UK? No, the British <snip> want them out. Why should the Spanish not return the favor? You always expect the Europeans to react sensibly and pragmatic about your emotional, irresponsible and irrational Brexit vote. Why do the British not act responsible ? Why are the British hell bend in getting rid of us Europeans? Why are the British prepared to damage their economy? And why the heck do think that Europeans can't respond in term?

If the freedom of movement will go British senior will only be able to retire if they have enough money and private health care. No European will pay a penny for a British citizens who wants to retire on EU soil. Period.

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However it can't hurt to prepare for the worst. I am finally selling up my house in the UK as now having cash reserves is more valuable than having the asset as if I do have to come back I will need to go wherever there might actually be a job (when I left it was pretty pathetic to be honest, unless you liked door to door sales). Also if I'd like to not be separated from my family I will need the hard cash for the Home Office. If I get to stay great I will invest in the business and build it up. If I have to go well, who knows. It's very stressful and frankly starting to affect my life and motivation levels.

Fortunately I don't have to worry about the NHS as I pay the local taxes and National Insurance.

It is a quandry as who knows how my country of residence will decide to act in the end. Fortunately I have connections here but am self employed and this is only year one so the income is rather low at the moment...........

I doubt people will get actively deported but I am sure May (if she survives that long) will make it harder and harder to exist in the UK until people are defacto forced to leave. It's what the Tories want.

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I didn't think paying taxes or having an NI number is required to qualify for NHS coverage as a resident British citizen.

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The two are completely unrelated. Access to free NHS secondary care is residency based. You can pay NI contributions from abroad as a non-UK resident but still be ineligible.

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Thanks much. Never had an NI number nor paid local taxes having always lived abroad (outside UK). Assuming primary care access is also residency based.

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Primary care is free of charge regardless of your status. Hence tourists can be patched up at A&E after an accident without incurring a large bill but any time spent in a hospital bed will need to covered by an EHIC card, travel insurance or out of their own pocket.