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Old Oct 3rd 2006, 9:09 am
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Question TRA Valid from 1992 as 4311-11 was applying for 4311-13

Hi,

In 1992 we were looking to emigrate and got as far as having medicals requested. At that time, had to go to London for skills interview and was awarded General electrician. Anyway for a number of reasons we didn't emigrate and have started again.

I applied via my agent as 4311-13 Electrician (Special Class) as I work mainly on complex packaging and material handling systems.

Have just received email this morning that TRA have found my old assessment from 1992, and this is still valid, classing me as an Electrical Fitter.

Getting confused, and will speak with agent tonight, but what are the advantages / disadvantages of each of the TRA assessments. i.e. Electrical fitter / Electrical Mechanic or Electrician (Special Class)?

Which license category do they need?

Regarding job hunting, are any preferred over the others?

Any help or comments appreciated.
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Hi,

In 1992 we were looking to emigrate and got as far as having medicals requested. At that time, had to go to London for skills interview and was awarded General electrician. Anyway for a number of reasons we didn't emigrate and have started again.

I applied via my agent as 4311-13 Electrician (Special Class) as I work mainly on complex packaging and material handling systems.

Have just received email this morning that TRA have found my old assessment from 1992, and this is still valid, classing me as an Electrical Fitter.

Getting confused, and will speak with agent tonight, but what are the advantages / disadvantages of each of the TRA assessments. i.e. Electrical fitter / Electrical Mechanic or Electrician (Special Class)?

Which license category do they need?

Regarding job hunting, are any preferred over the others?

Any help or comments appreciated.
try to get electical mechanic or specialist as fitter will not let you work on electrical installation work only panels

regrds steve

ps have a look through the electrcians forum we are a freindly lot

( whao cannot spell )

http://britishexpats.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=97
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Default Re: TRA Valid from 1992 as 4311-11 was applying for 4311-13

Originally Posted by steve`o
try to get electical mechanic or specialist as fitter will not let you work on electrical installation work only panels

regrds steve

ps have a look through the electrcians forum we are a freindly lot

( whao cannot spell )

http://britishexpats.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=97
By "specialist" do you mean Electrician (Special Class) 4311-13 or something else?
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By "specialist" do you mean Electrician (Special Class) 4311-13 or something else?
yes special class mate
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Default Re: TRA Valid from 1992 as 4311-11 was applying for 4311-13

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yes special class mate
Thanks for the replies.

Ignoring domestic / house bashing work would the following be right:-

Electrical Fitter - similar to general machinery maintenance.

Electrical Mechanic - maintenance plus machine installations / mains connections

Electrician (Special Class) as Electrical Mechanic, plus PLC work / commissioning / hydraulic and pneumatic systems.

Have spent last ten years, supervising installations of packaging lines in steel mills / commissioning software / training operators and maintenance staff.

We are considering Melbourne area, which licence applies to each of the classifications?
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Default Re: TRA Valid from 1992 as 4311-11 was applying for 4311-13

Originally Posted by ValeSpark
Thanks for the replies.

Ignoring domestic / house bashing work would the following be right:-

Electrical Fitter - similar to general machinery maintenance.

Electrical Mechanic - maintenance plus machine installations / mains connections

Electrician (Special Class) as Electrical Mechanic, plus PLC work / commissioning / hydraulic and pneumatic systems.

Have spent last ten years, supervising installations of packaging lines in steel mills / commissioning software / training operators and maintenance staff.

We are considering Melbourne area, which licence applies to each of the classifications?
I may be wrong, (I was once a while back) but my hubby had been looking for factory work here in South Australia and they all want an A class licence and to get that you need to have the Electrical Mechanic classification.

He worked for a packaging factory in the UK, fixing machines, PLC's etc etc

Steve is that right or am I talking crap
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Ok, so the Electrical Mechanic looks the best under the 4311-11 group, but how does this compare with Special Class 4311-13?

Also, if you have been assessed as an Electrical fitter by TRA for migration purpose, is this assessment fixed for the next step (ARTC), or will a fresh assessment be performed?

Sorry if I am asking dumb questions.
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Originally Posted by ValeSpark
Ok, so the Electrical Mechanic looks the best under the 4311-11 group, but how does this compare with Special Class 4311-13?

Also, if you have been assessed as an Electrical fitter by TRA for migration purpose, is this assessment fixed for the next step (ARTC), or will a fresh assessment be performed?

Sorry if I am asking dumb questions.

You need to re-do the TRA for the ARTC. It is free if you have already done it for migration purposes. The current timescale for it getting assessed is 20 days.

I'm not sure about the difference between Electrician and Electrician Special Class.
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Default Re: TRA Valid from 1992 as 4311-11 was applying for 4311-13

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You need to re-do the TRA for the ARTC. It is free if you have already done it for migration purposes. The current timescale for it getting assessed is 20 days.

I'm not sure about the difference between Electrician and Electrician Special Class.
Thanks for your comments. Spoke with agent last night and following various emails, the TRA are now assessing my new application for Electrician (Special Class). The original assessment as Electrical Fitter will remain valid, so even if I have a problem with the new one, should still be ok for points etc. Just want the Special Class version as I think it will be more useful in the long run.
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Originally Posted by ValeSpark
Thanks for your comments. Spoke with agent last night and following various emails, the TRA are now assessing my new application for Electrician (Special Class). The original assessment as Electrical Fitter will remain valid, so even if I have a problem with the new one, should still be ok for points etc. Just want the Special Class version as I think it will be more useful in the long run.

Ah, good.

All the best with it, let us know when you've passed your TRA
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Default Re: TRA Valid from 1992 as 4311-11 was applying for 4311-13

Originally Posted by ValeSpark
Thanks for your comments. Spoke with agent last night and following various emails, the TRA are now assessing my new application for Electrician (Special Class). The original assessment as Electrical Fitter will remain valid, so even if I have a problem with the new one, should still be ok for points etc. Just want the Special Class version as I think it will be more useful in the long run.
Hi there,do you mean you are doing your TRA again,or the ARTC? because if I remember right the licencing doesn't cover Special class Electrician,its elec mech, linesman , elec fitter.Maybe it depends on what state you are in.

Got this off the QLD ELEC site,
Classes of licences
Electrical mechanic, electrical linesperson, electrical fitter, electrical jointer, electrical work training permit and restricted electrical work licence.

Once you get the ARTC then you go for the licence.Just because you get TRA/ARTC as a special class electrician doesn't mean there is an actual licence of the same type.
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Hi there,do you mean you are doing your TRA again,or the ARTC? because if I remember right the licencing doesn't cover Special class Electrician,its elec mech, linesman , elec fitter.Maybe it depends on what state you are in.

Got this off the QLD ELEC site,
Classes of licences
Electrical mechanic, electrical linesperson, electrical fitter, electrical jointer, electrical work training permit and restricted electrical work licence.

Once you get the ARTC then you go for the licence.Just because you get TRA/ARTC as a special class electrician doesn't mean there is an actual licence of the same type.
Cheers Lorri

No, he's on about the pre-migration assessment. The ARTC is either classified as Electrical Fitter (not connecting to mains) or Electrical Mechanic (connecting to mains).

Licences are a whole other thing again and depend on where you go
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No, he's on about the pre-migration assessment. The ARTC is either classified as Electrical Fitter (not connecting to mains) or Electrical Mechanic (connecting to mains).

Licences are a whole other thing again and depend on where you go
Was just checking,it's not easy is it.Seems like they forget to tell people that getting the TRA or ARTC is not the end of it,then there's the licencing.
cheers,
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Was just checking,it's not easy is it.Seems like they forget to tell people that getting the TRA or ARTC is not the end of it,then there's the licencing.
cheers,
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I know, hubby started his course today and the guy basically said it's all aimed at getting more money out of people.
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Originally Posted by Wendy
No, he's on about the pre-migration assessment. The ARTC is either classified as Electrical Fitter (not connecting to mains) or Electrical Mechanic (connecting to mains).

Licences are a whole other thing again and depend on where you go
Wendy's correct, this all relates to pre-migration assessment.

I have yet to fully enjoy the ARTC and licensing bits. :scared: Looking at Victoria, so will probably be back with more questions on licenses later.

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