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Old Sep 30th 2011, 6:46 pm
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Hi I have posted a few times on another forum i use regarding this subject and it has just backfired on me. I applied for my artc (australia recognised trade certificate) from TRA back in June. I have just received an outcome and have been granted an ARTC as electrical fitter. Now then I applied as dual trade elec fitter and mechanic and supplied all the evidence I thought will be ok for both titles, in particular 16th & 17th edition IEE regs in electrical installations certificates and references from all my past employers stating that along with my maintenance speciality I was involved with installation work also. I am ready to email TRA asking why I have not been granted the titles I applied for, just wondering has anybody else experienced anything like this ??? Cant find anything official anywhere on internet ?
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Hi I have posted a few times on another forum i use regarding this subject and it has just backfired on me. I applied for my artc (australia recognised trade certificate) from TRA back in June. I have just received an outcome and have been granted an ARTC as electrical fitter. Now then I applied as dual trade elec fitter and mechanic and supplied all the evidence I thought will be ok for both titles, in particular 16th & 17th edition IEE regs in electrical installations certificates and references from all my past employers stating that along with my maintenance speciality I was involved with installation work also. I am ready to email TRA asking why I have not been granted the titles I applied for, just wondering has anybody else experienced anything like this ??? Cant find anything official anywhere on internet ?
help me please !!!!!!! cheers
Hi mate,
I think only the TRA can give you the answer. I would email them. I think you get a chance to talk to one of the assessors to discuss the outcome.
I suspect they'll just say that you haven't provided enough evidence to warrant a mechanic's title. Again, ring or email them.
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I picked up somewhere that you need to demonstrate that on balance at least half your working week (20 hours) is taken up carrying out electrical installation work. I'm choosing my words carefully here but i think you perhaps could have emphasised the installation work you do. From what you have said i am assuming you are a predominantly maintenance spark who does a bit of installation work, they may have assumed this too hence their decision, i'm not saying this is fair but it seems to be the way they work - if in doubt down grade to fitter.

If you are planning on settling in south australia it doesn't matter a bean in any case as they don't have the fitter mechanic distinction. There is also lots of info on here regarding the PEER course in adelaide and ways to overcome a fitters ARTC result. Good luck and happy reading.

We are all in the same boat and there are lots on here who are going through the same process or who have already negotiated the pitfalls so you are in good company.
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rinkerdink;

your right about the working week (20 hours) is taken up carrying out electrical installation work, however most people who apply don't give the right info, they must make the application read as though they do installation work by about 80% of the daily work.the reason they are getting the fitters cert is that fact it reads as though they are doing Maint work & in some states the fitters license is very restricting to extra low voltage panel wiring so they are NOT allowed to work on any 240v or 415v equipment at all.

the PEER route may be at an end now due to most states refusing to accept a license from another state unless you do there exams.???? Bummer for people.

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rinkerdink;

your right about the working week (20 hours) is taken up carrying out electrical installation work, however most people who apply don't give the right info, they must make the application read as though they do installation work by about 80% of the daily work.the reason they are getting the fitters cert is that fact it reads as though they are doing Maint work & in some states the fitters license is very restricting to extra low voltage panel wiring so they are NOT allowed to work on any 240v or 415v equipment at all.

the PEER route may be at an end now due to most states refusing to accept a license from another state unless you do there exams.???? Bummer for people.

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Hi Arthur, where did you get the info on 20hrs needed, how can TRA differentiate between how much you do of one thing to the other ? I have done maintenance and installation work since I left school at 16 , thats 20 years. My first employer sent a reference that was 27 pages long and went into detail on probably every installation technique there is. My next 2 references state that part of my job was installation and I have 16th & 17th edition C&G level 3 electrical installations (IEE regs certs). As you are aware you can interpret the regs to cover almost every installation scenario, the rest of my certification is for courses on specialist machinery and associated equipment i.e PLC's, VSD's etc.... I recieved the reason today why I had not got the electrical mechanic title......not shown evidence of training or work experience !!!!! WTF........ I submitted more or less the same as an ex-colleague whom I worked with for 8 years before his move to Oz, he got the dual trade !!!! I am ringing TRA when I get in from work this morning and I shall hear their reasons why !!! should be fun !!!! regards
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Hi woody,

I Just wondered if you had any luck when ringing the TRA?

Fingers crossed for you!
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Hi woody,

I Just wondered if you had any luck when ringing the TRA?

Fingers crossed for you!
Hi rinkerdink., I called TRA this morning from work, on for 59mins so gonna get a roasting from the boss !!! got through to a lass who wasn't telling me any different than what the outcome letter was telling me, I was calm at first then started to get a bit annoyed because i was expecting some feedback, anyhow after 10 mins she decided to put me through to one of the assessors who was very good, laid back bloke who listened and gave me advice. He suggested that although it is crystal clear that I can do the install side of things the committee probably thought that the majority of my work was maintenance. I am now going to submit further evidence of my installation work,expand on it, notably IEE installation certificates, the ones you fill in when you have completed an install, maybe 2 for each year I've worked at my current employers (12years worth) On my latest install I am going to go into massive detail on what I did from start to finish, with photos. Although I don't do domestic install, my choice alone, I am going to include a full rewire I did on my own property including detached garage install.My manager said that he will do me a further reference stating that installation is on average 50%-75% of my job and I am going to ask my ex-workmate (electrical manager at a perth print house) to also do me a reference stating when I worked alongside him and carried out work equivalent to that of an electrical mechanic........If this doesn't work then i'm buggered !!!!!!!!!!!
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Hi rinkerdink., I called TRA this morning from work, on for 59mins so gonna get a roasting from the boss !!! got through to a lass who wasn't telling me any different than what the outcome letter was telling me, I was calm at first then started to get a bit annoyed because i was expecting some feedback, anyhow after 10 mins she decided to put me through to one of the assessors who was very good, laid back bloke who listened and gave me advice. He suggested that although it is crystal clear that I can do the install side of things the committee probably thought that the majority of my work was maintenance. I am now going to submit further evidence of my installation work,expand on it, notably IEE installation certificates, the ones you fill in when you have completed an install, maybe 2 for each year I've worked at my current employers (12years worth) On my latest install I am going to go into massive detail on what I did from start to finish, with photos. Although I don't do domestic install, my choice alone, I am going to include a full rewire I did on my own property including detached garage install.My manager said that he will do me a further reference stating that installation is on average 50%-75% of my job and I am going to ask my ex-workmate (electrical manager at a perth print house) to also do me a reference stating when I worked alongside him and carried out work equivalent to that of an electrical mechanic........If this doesn't work then i'm buggered !!!!!!!!!!!

Just do the PEER course in SA. You get a FULL licence with a TRA fitter outcome and the wiring rules course in SA. So much easier
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Just do the PEER course in SA. You get a FULL licence with a TRA fitter outcome and the wiring rules course in SA. So much easier
I have heard that this route is now closed and that you cant transfer your SA license over to WA !!!
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I have heard that this route is now closed and that you cant transfer your SA license over to WA !!!
You can still go to PEER and as Wendy has stated, get a full SA licence, as SA doesn't make the distinction between a fitter and a mechanic. QLD and VIC seem to be refusing to issue licences to SA licence holders who have obtained a licence via this route. NSW seem to be OK with it and WA are OK if you were graded as a mechanic. Unfortunately for you, they won't issue you a WA licence as you were graded as a fitter.
However, legally, you can still work in WA on an SA licence under the terms of mutual recognition. Most job adverts for WA positions will specifically ask for a WA licence, but if there's enough work about then I'm sure you wouldn't have too much trouble finding work.
And it won't hurt to try and transfer it over. They can only say no.
Also, from September 2012 national licences will begin to be issued and state licences will be phased out.
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WA was the 1st state to start refusing a license from SA they wont accept the license from PEER now as all the other states have followed the same route sorry to say, so anybody living living in another state would be better doing the license in that state.
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WA was the 1st state to start refusing a license from SA they wont accept the license from PEER now as all the other states have followed the same route sorry to say, so anybody living living in another state would be better doing the license in that state.
But a SA licence is valid anywhere in Australia. It's a law, so anyone refusing to accept it is breaking the law!


Anyway, has anyone looked at the mutual recognition site? or applied for an review with the AAT?

What can I do if I am refused recognition of my licence in a second state or territory?
If a licensing authority makes a decision to refuse an application for mutual recognition of a licence, the applicant may seek a review of that decision by applying to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. Contact details for the Tribunal, and information about the review process is available on the AAT website at http://www.aat.gov.au/

http://www.licencerecognition.gov.au/faq.aspx#17
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Wendy;

i know its illegal for any other state to refuse the transfer of the license, however they are all doing it now except for SA. i think its pathetic that there is governing body that ignore this situation they should make all states recognise this issue & they should all follow the rules but DON'T.

I phoned energy safe QLD then Victoria, then WA with the same question regarding the transfer of the license they all said unless a person has done the tafe courses in that state they simply refuse to grant the full license due to OH&S, that's a load of tripe as we know but nobody in the government positions shall do a thing about it all, that's how pathetic the whole situation is at present.
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