PEER Course?
 

I read the very informative thread about ARTC etc, just sent off my ARTC application last week and was wondering about the next stage-PEER course?

How much does this week long course cost, the flyer on the website only gave basic info?

Also when I have my ARTC certificate and PEER course completed, do I have to do a safety course before I apply for my licence?

thanks is advance, and for the help off everyone so far :)

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The PEER used to be about $930 with the books and everything. However as of the 31st of December 2010 this will change. It will involve more study and cost. Something to do with testing now.(someone will correct me if i'm wrong) I think the new price being quoted is around $1200 I THINK! But its by far the quickest way to do it. The workbook is pretty boring. But many of us have gone through it. So any questions then feel free to ask. I don't believe you need a safety course. I never. Which state are you looking to work in?

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I think i paid $1584 that was 3 weeks ago.
The version of the workbook i'm doing has a revision date of sep2010. So i assume this includes any changes in the exam this summer.
Been working on the workbook on and off for 2 weeks now and about a 1/3 of the way through.
When i called they did warn about about Queensland not accepting SA licence, but they are working on sorting it.
Given that the Queensland way involves getting a log book filled in....If you are mates with someone who can sign it off for a few bucks you may be away with it.
The SA route is therefore more reliable than Queensland.

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That's expensive :huh:, honestly I would of only thought $600-800 myself for the week course. Thanks for your advice-both of you. I applied for the ARTC last week as I will be arriving in Melbourne on the 19th January and want to keep ahead of things. So a victoria licence at first I will be looking for.

So with this PEER course, will it just be general electical science and practical electrical brushing up of Oz regs-with a test at the end, which gets you the certificate?

I like keeping things proper hence going this route, but is there any advantages in spending all this money going the proper route, so to speak, in comparison to getting work for cash if you can? obviously I know if your caught you could be deported etc etc, but I've heard loads of stories about not needing the licence and sparks can get this kind of work easy enough? Are these all rumours? I would likle to still go this route even if it does cost a bomb to get started,

thanks again for your help and I look forward to your advice and replies, :thumbup:

Mark

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Sorry for double posting but the PEER website says the following "Please be aware that both training and Electrical licensing in Australia is legislated by the Government in each State. For this reason if you are looking to gain a Licence outside South Australia you will need to take the Statement from PEER VEET to a training organistion in your state to have it recognised by the Licensing Board."

As I will be intially going for a Victoria licence, where does that leave me? Very confused by all these acronyms, licences, TRA's etc. surely there is an easier way to manage all of this?

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I did the ARTC a couple of years ago, and was graded a Electrical mechaninic. Which as i understand is a Installation electrician some are graded more for maintenance can't remember what they call it here. It's a bit like the US. it's English but not as we know it.
Right back on track.........The ARTC recognises prior learning and experiance as a tradie. But we do not know there wiring rules and practices, which are very different.
The course i'm doing is the correspondance course for Aussie wiring rules.
You get a workbook folder 145 pages to work through.
AS/NZS 3000:2007 Wiring rules (regs book)
AS/NZS 3017:2007 Verification guidlines
AS/NZS 3008:2009 Selection of cables
AS/NZS 3012:2010 Construction and demolition sites
ETSA Utilities rules (South Australia service rules ie.like elec board)
Now i give PEER a call when i've completed my workbook. There is a tutor i can call if stuck.
Then book to go to Adelaide 1-2 days of revision then exam. Think there is a practicle part as well. Pass this then apply for Licence think it has to be SA licence. Return to home state try nd get a job!!!!!!
I'm glad my wife is working and well paid!
good luck

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Not so much in Victoria. The unions wont have it. NSW is easier to get a job without a licence as you would work with a sparky who has one. The PEER route is by far the quickest way. I dont know about Victoria but doing the licence will take 6-12 months to do the TAFE way. The PEER route is basically how quick you can complete the book and get down to do the test.

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Cheers for the replies guys, that makes more sense to me alright. The PEER route definitely sounds better to me as I work better like that on my own, however I emailed energy safe Victoria yesterday and they said the two training places are EPIC and NMIT. I looked up PEER and that seems to be in Adelaide, SA.

PEER website also says this: Please be aware that both training and Electrical licensing in Australia is legislated by the Government in each State. For this reason if you are looking to gain a Licence outside South Australia you will need to take the Statement from PEER VEET to a training organistion in your state to have it recognised by the Licensing Board.

So I guess EPIC and NMIT are my only routes in Melbourne?

Why do they make it so confusing to understand simple processes, I've never thrawled through so many websites with acronyms, different state bodies, training organistaions etc in my life.

Just when I thought I was on top of the training process, WHAM-A really confused Mark again :)!

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People do the PEER course, ARTC and then get the SA licence - which they then convert to another state's licence.

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thanks for the reply Wendy. For me it seems a bit pointless going to adelaide to do it when I'm headed for Melbourne.

After doing some more digging and emailing, Energy safe Victoria have said I can do 3 exams, SWP, LET and LEP to get the LEA. I can do this through EPIC or NMIT in Melborune. So I am going to dig up the old theory notes and revise in January and hopefully do the exams early February.

Total cost $130 + $85 + $195

this will get me the certificate for the exams and with my ARTC, will get me my licence, phhhhhheeeeewww that took a lot of researching :blink:

thanks again everyone for your help

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They like to make it easy don't they!? :lol:

You'll have to do a post on how you did it all for other melly bound people, once you've done. :)

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Do you not have to go to TAFE?

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EPIC is a training organisation and NMIT is Tafe.

Not sure how long the courses take at either of them though.

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Overseas qualifications
Persons who have electrical qualifications obtained outside Australia and/or New Zealand and who wish to carry out electrical installation work in Victoria may be eligible to apply for a Victorian electrical worker's license.

How do I obtain an Electrical License, when I am from overseas?
In order to apply for an electrical license in Victoria, the first step for you is to be assessed by Trades Recognition Australia (TRA), which is issued by the Local (Electrical) Trades Committee. This assessment determines whether you are classified in Australia as an Electrical Mechanic or Electrical Fitter, regardless of the skills and experience you have obtained overseas.

After being assessed by TRA, you are then able to undertake the independent assessments conducted by an approved body on behalf of ESV. This is currently EPIC Industry Training Board (EPIC ITB) and Northern Metro Institute of TAFE (NMIT).

As an Electrical Fitter, you can seek to undertake the Safe Working Practices Assessment with EPIC ITB or NMIT to apply for a Supervised Workers License. Provision of evidence of 12 months experience in electrical installation work, after being issued this license, will allow you apply for an Electrician’s License.

As an Electrical Mechanic, you can seek to undertake the Licensed Electrician’s Assessment with EPIC ITB or NMIT to apply for an Electrician’s License. Alternatively, you can apply to ESV for a Supervised Worker’s License after completing the Safe Working Practices (SWP) Assessment. There is also a preparation course to undertake the Licensed Electricians’ Assessment (LEA) with your local TAFE, which would assist in preparation for these assessments.

What Paperwork do I need?

* Completed ESV Application Form
* TRA Certificate
* Safe Working Practices Assessment Results or
* Licensed Electrician’s Assessment Results
* Evidence of Overseas Qualifications and experience in the industry, such as references and evidence of apprenticeship and trade qualifications gained overseas.

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So after all that:-

Your responsibilities as a license holder
As a license holder, it is your responsibility to understand the legislation and regulations in place at any time and work in accordance with them:

* Part 3 of the Electricity Safety Act 1998
* Electricity Safety (Installations) Regulations 2009.
* You must ensure your work is under effective supervision of a Licensed Electrician if issued with a Supervised Workers License
* The work undertaken is signed off with a Certificate of Electrical Safety by you or your supervisor.

Requirements For a Victorian Electrical License, when you are from Overseas:

http://www.esv.vic.gov.au/Portals/0/...chartsmall.JPG

what confuses me abit is why three differenet options first seems logic, get ARTC do three module exams then get A license.

There is continous dates to do assessments but there is something that I read that its not good to fail, so it has to be a 75% pass rate in each as well. Sounds hard enough.

Jes going back to school is a pain after 17 + years at the trade, theres software out for all electrical formuleas going back to learn and put into practice again is a real pain espaecailly with a young family.

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When it means assessment I am hoping practical not written???

End of day electrical calculations are the same over the world?? We did them during our apprenticeship days why make us go through it again!!:eek:

As an Electrical Mechanic, you can seek to undertake the Licensed Electrician’s Assessment with EPIC ITB or NMIT to apply for an Electrician’s License. Alternatively, you can apply to ESV for a Supervised Worker’s License after completing the Safe Working Practices (SWP) Assessment. There is also a preparation course to undertake the Licensed Electricians’ Assessment (LEA) with your local TAFE, which would assist in preparation for these assessments.

What Paperwork do I need?

* Completed ESV Application Form
* TRA Certificate
* Safe Working Practices Assessment Results or
* Licensed Electrician’s Assessment Results
* Evidence of Overseas Qualifications and experience in the industry, such as references and evidence of apprenticeship and trade qualifications gained overseas.

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Hi,
This is why a lot of sparks are getting an ARTC. Then doing a correspondence course with PEER and then attending a 2/3 day course and exam in Adelaide. Getting a South Australian licence and then transferring this licence to other states (in your case Victoria) under mutual recognition.
Seemingly, this will be a lot speedier and on balance probably cheaper than the way you've described above.
Regards Derren

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I am not over yet but waiting for visa to come through for victoria I was let down from WA as they filled theyre quota before I could lodge.
I did vetassess, OTSR beening issued. Is it not something like the peer route?? only peer could be faster?, only I get restricted license is this bad to be restricted?? Would I get the sparks rate going?? as I could and would be able to do same as any spark there, been at this game for last 17 years and running own company NICEIC registered.

All these differenet routes can get confusing!

The way I see it is:-
I get a australian recongised cert from TRA "electrician mechanics" by sending all my qualifications etc.. overseas route then get a LEA asssessment in victoria then apply for A license?? As from the flow chart posted above seems simplier I think than having to go till SA for it??

I am looking to try and clarify the simplest route and most cost efficient way!!!

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hi,
the problem with going through the LEA route is that you'll need 12 months on site training on a restricted licence in order to complete a log book. By going to PEER and doing their wiring regs course there is no requirement to this. Correspondence course with PEER, which can be done from the UK then 2/3 days revision and examination. SA licence then VIC licence.
I know it's very confusing.Took me a while to get my head around it all.
But the general consensus on this forum and others is that the PEER route is the fastest way to obtain an A Grade licence for any state.
Regards Derren

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Thanks mate. Going to look into that way then.

Being restricted is it harder to get a job, and decent wage?

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Yeah, it's a bit of a catch 22. Restricted licence, less money, oh yeah. Harder to get a job,yes, but not impossible.
Maybe worth your while to trawl through this forum. Lots, maybe too much info , conflicting and otherwise, but the info you need is contained here. Just got to shift through a lot of **** to find the cream. But basically, the ARTC/PEER route seems to be the best option.
Best of luck.
Regards Derren

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sonic.trip;

if you do the A class license in victoria it shall cost you a lot more money i can assure you, there is a mixture of theory & practical exams more prac than theory, they put you under massive stress in the exams.

PEER is the way to go, logon to the PEER website then contact peter jolly the training manager he is a decent man & i have his permission to display his name on here, you wont regret going via PEER. once you get your head round the sample exam questions & its complete your then ready for the exams.

1st day exam it a practise run do it its important especially the max demand over 3 x phases this is a massive part of the end score. 2nd day 7 hour exam all Theory NO Pact at all.

if you do the study you shall pass its as simple as that, the only people i know who have failed are the ones who dont do the exam examples book or the ones who are loud & do sod all when they are at PEER, so be switched on do the ground work.

when you pass on day 2 you then go to the SA licensing dept 5 mins walk register for your SA full license, then if you like for about $400 or so you can then transfer to ANY state in Australia, this is a full license & all states must agree to recognise this qualification ASK the man at PEER he shall tell you direct.

if i can more please ask

Arthur melbourne

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Hi
The PEER course since January has changed it is now more involved and expensive. It cost something like $1500 inc books.
The course does include practical now but only testing & fault finding. When i did it 3 weeks ago it did take all week now, there were 10 guys in class that week.
Day 1 revision & getting help to complete folder ( nobody bothered to complete ETSA but we did have a good go)
Day 2 Exam if you are struggleing you can ask for pointers from the teacher. He didn't let any one move on to practical until the whole class had achieved the required 80%, in each section.
Day 3 some straglers were still strugleing with exam he kept marking them, and if they didn't pass he would direct them towards the section they should be looking at.
Then finally testing only 3 boards available so with 10 in class it took from thu lunch til friday lunch.
Day 4 complete testing ( he has a bank of switches to put different faults on you identify the faults then he has to clear it then you retest)
we were all in the cbd by mid afternoon applying for our licences.:D
all the best
tony

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Hi Tony,
I noticed in another thread that you intend to obtain a QLD licence under mutual recognition. Could you let us know how you get on with that given the trouble some people seem to have experienced.
Cheers Derren