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getting license in wa
hi guys, my wife and i emigrate to oz 17th august. With me getting in on the grounds of allegedly being a spark (just kidding), i was wondering if anybody could give me a bit of info on what is involved in the licensing assessment ie ;) is it theory or/and practical. Just curious. Viva la revolution.
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Originally Posted by Ballyharry01
hi guys, my wife and i emigrate to oz 17th august. With me getting in on the grounds of allegedly being a spark (just kidding), i was wondering if anybody could give me a bit of info on what is involved in the licensing assessment ie ;) is it theory or/and practical. Just curious. Viva la revolution.
cheers Lorri |
Re: getting license in wa
Originally Posted by Ballyharry01
hi guys, my wife and i emigrate to oz 17th august. With me getting in on the grounds of allegedly being a spark (just kidding), i was wondering if anybody could give me a bit of info on what is involved in the licensing assessment ie ;) is it theory or/and practical. Just curious. Viva la revolution.
Hi Heres the story, practical exam basically involves 6 exercises. But every test(scenario) is different because they have 8 scenarios to choose from and you will undertake as mentioned 6 of those. This is based on the test I did, 1 - I was given 2 irons and a multimeter and was asked to test these and write a brief report on if they were safe to use or not. Things to look out for here, the plug tops a transparent so check the polarity of the wiring (on one of mine the live & neutral were reveresed). Test the resistance of the elements to earth and make sure that it complies. Other things are just general condition of the equipment, ie. condition of flex etc. 2 - I had to wire a 3-phase industrial socket and connect into a mains board. Funny things to watch for here are your MEN link in the mains board. It is a metal socket so ensure you earth the enclosure. All standard stuff but when under pressure you tend to forget these things. Other things to remember are check the current rating of the socket I think its only 10amps, so only fit a 10amp breaker. Finally mains boards here are a bit different you have to hard wire all the links in the board as there are no busbars. 3 - A direct online starter with remote stops and starts. This was just done with flying leads all the terminals are marked for you, so its just a case of wiring the circuit correctly. The guy checks it before he energises it, but make sure you've got it right first time as if he spots something wrong he tells you to correct it but takes marks off you. 4 - You get a section of cable for which the guy gives u the length it has an ammeter in the circuit you have to measure the voltage at source and at the end of the circuit. From this information you have to calculate if the cable satisfies the regulations for volt drop. 5 - You are given a domestic installation to test. There are various faults on the installation which you have to find and do a brief report on the condition of the installation. You are given all the test equipment but make sure you choose the decent ones because half of them dont work. 6 - For this one you have to wire 2way and intermediate lighting circuit, a socket outlet and I think an outlet for something (sorry cant remember now). This had to be done as though it was being done in a domestic situation, ie wiring had to be kept neat and over here they use the loopin method of wiring. Obviously its time based you get 4 hours to do it, so given the choice choose the things that take less time first. ie. the iron, the DOL starter, the industrial socket because it is quite time consuming and these things you can get done quite quickly leaving you more time for the other more time consuming ones. Next the theory which you will probs do first. This is a mixture of health and safety, electrical theory and local regulations. Its all the stuff at college that you've forgotten about now ie. motors and motor protection, 3phase calcuations and relationships with line & phase currents in both star and delta systems. My advice would be do a bit of revision, its not as daunting as it seems a lot of the questions are quite straight forward but some are quite tricky. Hope this helps Steve :beer: |
Re: getting license in wa
Originally Posted by Didnaeseeu
Hi
Heres the story, practical exam basically involves 6 exercises. But every test(scenario) is different because they have 8 scenarios to choose from and you will undertake as mentioned 6 of those. This is based on the test I did, 1 - I was given 2 irons and a multimeter and was asked to test these and write a brief report on if they were safe to use or not. Things to look out for here, the plug tops a transparent so check the polarity of the wiring (on one of mine the live & neutral were reveresed). Test the resistance of the elements to earth and make sure that it complies. Other things are just general condition of the equipment, ie. condition of flex etc. 2 - I had to wire a 3-phase industrial socket and connect into a mains board. Funny things to watch for here are your MEN link in the mains board. It is a metal socket so ensure you earth the enclosure. All standard stuff but when under pressure you tend to forget these things. Other things to remember are check the current rating of the socket I think its only 10amps, so only fit a 10amp breaker. Finally mains boards here are a bit different you have to hard wire all the links in the board as there are no busbars. 3 - A direct online starter with remote stops and starts. This was just done with flying leads all the terminals are marked for you, so its just a case of wiring the circuit correctly. The guy checks it before he energises it, but make sure you've got it right first time as if he spots something wrong he tells you to correct it but takes marks off you. 4 - You get a section of cable for which the guy gives u the length it has an ammeter in the circuit you have to measure the voltage at source and at the end of the circuit. From this information you have to calculate if the cable satisfies the regulations for volt drop. 5 - You are given a domestic installation to test. There are various faults on the installation which you have to find and do a brief report on the condition of the installation. You are given all the test equipment but make sure you choose the decent ones because half of them dont work. 6 - For this one you have to wire 2way and intermediate lighting circuit, a socket outlet and I think an outlet for something (sorry cant remember now). This had to be done as though it was being done in a domestic situation, ie wiring had to be kept neat and over here they use the loopin method of wiring. Obviously its time based you get 4 hours to do it, so given the choice choose the things that take less time first. ie. the iron, the DOL starter, the industrial socket because it is quite time consuming and these things you can get done quite quickly leaving you more time for the other more time consuming ones. Next the theory which you will probs do first. This is a mixture of health and safety, electrical theory and local regulations. Its all the stuff at college that you've forgotten about now ie. motors and motor protection, 3phase calcuations and relationships with line & phase currents in both star and delta systems. My advice would be do a bit of revision, its not as daunting as it seems a lot of the questions are quite straight forward but some are quite tricky. Hope this helps Steve :beer: cheers mark |
Re: getting license in wa
Originally Posted by karmos
hi, just wondering if this test is in english and if so where did you go to take it.
cheers mark Cheers Lorri |
Re: getting license in wa
Cheers Steve,
Thanks very much for your information. Now in Perth and am about to start the process of undertaking the relevant tests to gain my licence. Have contacted a few potential employers, however wondering if you could advise the best route to go down when starting off over here and what sort of hourly rate to expect to start off with. Which union is it i contact to sit the test? Apologies for the bombardment of questions. Hope you can help. Davie
Originally Posted by Didnaeseeu
Hi
Heres the story, practical exam basically involves 6 exercises. But every test(scenario) is different because they have 8 scenarios to choose from and you will undertake as mentioned 6 of those. This is based on the test I did, 1 - I was given 2 irons and a multimeter and was asked to test these and write a brief report on if they were safe to use or not. Things to look out for here, the plug tops a transparent so check the polarity of the wiring (on one of mine the live & neutral were reveresed). Test the resistance of the elements to earth and make sure that it complies. Other things are just general condition of the equipment, ie. condition of flex etc. 2 - I had to wire a 3-phase industrial socket and connect into a mains board. Funny things to watch for here are your MEN link in the mains board. It is a metal socket so ensure you earth the enclosure. All standard stuff but when under pressure you tend to forget these things. Other things to remember are check the current rating of the socket I think its only 10amps, so only fit a 10amp breaker. Finally mains boards here are a bit different you have to hard wire all the links in the board as there are no busbars. 3 - A direct online starter with remote stops and starts. This was just done with flying leads all the terminals are marked for you, so its just a case of wiring the circuit correctly. The guy checks it before he energises it, but make sure you've got it right first time as if he spots something wrong he tells you to correct it but takes marks off you. 4 - You get a section of cable for which the guy gives u the length it has an ammeter in the circuit you have to measure the voltage at source and at the end of the circuit. From this information you have to calculate if the cable satisfies the regulations for volt drop. 5 - You are given a domestic installation to test. There are various faults on the installation which you have to find and do a brief report on the condition of the installation. You are given all the test equipment but make sure you choose the decent ones because half of them dont work. 6 - For this one you have to wire 2way and intermediate lighting circuit, a socket outlet and I think an outlet for something (sorry cant remember now). This had to be done as though it was being done in a domestic situation, ie wiring had to be kept neat and over here they use the loopin method of wiring. Obviously its time based you get 4 hours to do it, so given the choice choose the things that take less time first. ie. the iron, the DOL starter, the industrial socket because it is quite time consuming and these things you can get done quite quickly leaving you more time for the other more time consuming ones. Next the theory which you will probs do first. This is a mixture of health and safety, electrical theory and local regulations. Its all the stuff at college that you've forgotten about now ie. motors and motor protection, 3phase calcuations and relationships with line & phase currents in both star and delta systems. My advice would be do a bit of revision, its not as daunting as it seems a lot of the questions are quite straight forward but some are quite tricky. Hope this helps Steve :beer: |
Re: getting license in wa
Originally Posted by Ballyharry01
Cheers Steve,
Thanks very much for your information. Now in Perth and am about to start the process of undertaking the relevant tests to gain my licence. Have contacted a few potential employers, however wondering if you could advise the best route to go down when starting off over here and what sort of hourly rate to expect to start off with. Which union is it i contact to sit the test? Apologies for the bombardment of questions. Hope you can help. Davie Can't help much more cos I'm in South Australia and it's a different place for us. Hubby just has to go to TAFE here, cost here is $245 for wiring rules course or $140 for refresher course. |
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[QUOTE=Ballyharry01]Cheers Steve,
with regards to number four on the test with the cable and ammeter,is it 4% permitted volt drop ie 9.2v for 230v supply on the complete circuit. Would you use the formula V.D.= mv times current times length of cable divided by 1000, with the value of m.v. taken from a reference book such as the iee regs. Should i buy any sort of electrical books of any kind prior to the tests. Sorry again for all the questions, just want to get this damn thing out of the way. Thanks, David |
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[QUOTE=Ballyharry01]
Originally Posted by Ballyharry01
Cheers Steve,
with regards to number four on the test with the cable and ammeter,is it 4% permitted volt drop ie 9.2v for 230v supply on the complete circuit. Would you use the formula V.D.= mv times current times length of cable divided by 1000, with the value of m.v. taken from a reference book such as the iee regs. Should i buy any sort of electrical books of any kind prior to the tests. Sorry again for all the questions, just want to get this damn thing out of the way. Thanks, David That's the right formula according to my hubby :confused: :D , but it's 5% permitted here according to the regs. (Page 84) You definately need to get hold of a copy of the regs also cable selection book. I'll try to find the link for you. I'll post it here when I find it as it's a while ago when I bought them. |
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Books can be found here
http://www.saiglobal.com/shop/Script...AS778112015227 http://www.saiglobal.com/shop/Script...=stds000017409 Hubby has also given me this formula for you, I have no idea what it is though, so I hope you understand it :) Maximum V.D = 11.5v @ 230v Phase :confused: |
Re: getting license in wa
Finally recieved ARTC forms testerday!!
Now just got to wait for CO and eventually visa...was thinking of trying to get my elec. lic. done on a reccie as soon as I've got my visa ect. Has anyone else tried it this way? I think I'll have all the things covered..apply for ARTC when I get visa, use my rellies address in Perth for the Australian address they need, redo all the stuff I sent for TRA (again!) adding a bit more detail to my present referance ( daily duties ect.).Do I have to pay the $300. Am I overlooking something obvious to those that have done it? |
Re: getting license in wa
Originally Posted by john_w
Finally recieved ARTC forms testerday!!
Now just got to wait for CO and eventually visa...was thinking of trying to get my elec. lic. done on a reccie as soon as I've got my visa ect. Has anyone else tried it this way? I think I'll have all the things covered..apply for ARTC when I get visa, use my rellies address in Perth for the Australian address they need, redo all the stuff I sent for TRA (again!) adding a bit more detail to my present referance ( daily duties ect.).Do I have to pay the $300. Am I overlooking something obvious to those that have done it? That could work so long as they don't need to see you for anything, or it's going to be an expensive day trip for you :D The good news is that it only cost $100 when you get over here :) |
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Originally Posted by WendyC
That could work so long as they don't need to see you for anything, or it's going to be an expensive day trip for you :D
The good news is that it only cost $100 when you get over here :) |
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Originally Posted by john_w
Thanks Wendy...just trying to get as much done in advance for the final trip over...job prospects are good until they realise you dont have your A grade license !! If I can even get halfway through the process before we emmigrate it might help.
Yep, agree totally. Have to say things don't happen fast enough. We sent my OH's in on the 2nd August, only had a letter back saying that we are in the queue. :rolleyes: Next thing we need to do is the wiring regs course, then hopefully we'll have the ARTC back and he can get his licence. He did get a offered a job but they were only paying $47,500 so we told them to get lost ;) |
Re: getting license in wa
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