Electrician Licence WA Lets get this right!!!
 

Application for electrical licence over seas looks like:-

1. We cant do the two week course anymore from OCT is this right???

2. If you go to download the form on energysafety site http://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/Energy.../R097_1011.pdf
They are now charging additiona fee of 70$ and saying we need the do gap training???
What a joke most of us guys have been in the trade for years and years why do gap training for something that is not really any differnet??

3. If we do gap training then employers wouldnt pay the rate never mined even employ us??? As no A licence, is there a way round this???

4. Hows a family suppose to live without getting Licence quick with the two week course??


Confused and feel OZ milks every last penny from us immigrants!!!


What is the right way the long way???


I still have the old form and thinking of just sending it in LOL maybe pass that hurdle if its unnoticed and sent through by mistake LOL:fingerscrossed::fingerscrossed::fingerscrossed :

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I also see that the techs are also doing the two week courses still for the licence confused??

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Seems the best way is: apply for an ARTC via TRA, once when you get the ARTC apply for two weeks course and take your license.

btw I worked as a trade assistant for over two years for $20 - 22/hour, they didn't give a sh. for my previous experience (I have over 15 years) and overseas qualification. I know thats ain't right but thats the way it is.

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ARTC same still have too do year gap heres the form
http://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/energy.../R018_1011.pdf

Strange that two week courses are still there I am going to email them to clear this up! A family moving to OZ couldnt live on a reduced income doing the same work as everyone else that discrimation not restriction!

I would think that you can still do the course quicker than gap training depending on person?

I have a company winging it down to emigrate to OZ in March but looks like a spanner has flew in LOL or should I say screwdriver in the works :D

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Just phoned Energysafety

All new appication and current looking for license has to do:-

One year under supervision

Including gap training with a RTO

End off year then apply for ETL course which we have to do the two week course then!

She did say something brief about at least 4 months gap training before apply for ETL course I responded back in saying O so at least 4 months then apply for two course then she corrected in saying I have to do 12 twelve months, I am not sure they know really either yet themselves, theres bound to be a easier way, Im off to phone a CET see what they say, whats required!

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Hey mate,

Just a thought, Im sure I have read on here before (no time to search atm) that people have achieved log book completion (going from a provisional license to an 'A' license) within 3 months in other states. Would it not be possible to do that, and then just pay an administration fee to WA to to review your credentials (other states license and level III cert) and issue a WA 'A' license?

Not ideal but im sure australian qualified electricians dont have to go back to college just to move states. All other states seem to have been doing this process a lot longer for migrants so theyre issuing bodies could provide better info than WA as it is new to them.

Keep us posted on what you find out.

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Thanks for reply I am thinking of trying to do log book before I arrive in OZ then apply like you said as I could apply from an OZZY address.

End of day when there is new regulations here in UK you do a 1 day crash course then the exam why a year with OZ.

I phoned CET the girl was helpful sounded also confused after I told what energysafety said. She first said no thats wrong didnt expect sparkies to do a year supervised than I said energysafety has new application forms on theyre website for electrical licenses. She replied its really up to energysafety in what they want to do, but new to her. She said it could be for certain applicants. Said send in application and see what they say!

So all in all, still in the DARK, looks like Ill apply pretending I live there and hopefully get a letter of approval. If not start filling in that logbook asap, before I arrive and get that two week course, for A license like you said mate!

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I've read through the both forms and there is some difference between them

OTSR

Once your application is received, you will be issued a permit to work under supervision to enable you to gain on-the-job experience under Australian conditions while undertaking the Gap Training at an approved Registered Training Organisation.
When you have completed successfully the Gap Training and been issued your Certificate III in Electrotechnology Electrician you will be eligible to be issued an ‘Electrician’s Licence’ on paying the five-yearly Registration Fee.


ARTC

Once your application is received, you will be issued a permit to work under supervision to enable you to gain on-the-job experience under Australian conditions while having your skills assessed by a Registered Training Organisation approved by the Electrical Licensing Board.
When you have completed successfully the skills assessment, you will be eligible to be issued an ‘Electrician’s Licence’ on paying the five-yearly Registration Fee.


So, with an ARTC you don't need to do any gap training. When I applied for the ETL they had offered me license to work under supervision but I didn't take it because I had the course in a short time after.

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OK that sounds better I didnt really look in detail at ARTC way. Thank Deyan
So to get ATRC cert I contact TRA? They look at my details and issue cert or do I have to do another course, thats what the girl at the CET was talking about then. I have a OSTR which seems useless only good for Immigration purposes which I now have PR visas.

All in all it does get quite daunting tra artc daic ostr and so on, I know there is threads that can be read up on in here but they can be daunting too.

It would be good if someone would set it up when theyve jumped through all these hoops a setout plan, as its changed now from when a ostr could do the two week course aswell. Now from reading the forms proprerly ARTC is the only way.

Thanks Deyan

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Hi Deyan,
It does say under the ARTC section that "you will be issued with a permit to work under supervision to enable you to gain on the job experience under Australian conditions". I interpret this as having to do gap training.
It appears that the advent of a national licencing system is requiring all states to harmonise their licencing and assessment procedures. Will SA be next?
Regards Derren

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western oz is a non starter now for a quick license, looks to be same rules now as victoria. it does not matter if you have an otsr through vetassess or an artc from tra, we are still classed as overseas electricians in australia.
does everyone think south australia will follow on now as i am now considering going there, too old to be an apprentice now for a year.

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I am going to phone them tomorrow and ask is there gap training with ARTC, is doesnt say it as for OSTR.

I actually dont think they really know either she didnt seem confident on the phone what is right way! As for CET they told me get onto TRA and approval letter from energy safety then two week course as they are still doing it, they have not heard of gap training!!!

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phoned energy safety this morning and spoke to lionel.
as we are overseas electricians we have to apply for a permit to work.find an employer, he told me loads of work even under supervision.fill in a log book and have about 23 different types of electrical work signed off by a tradesman.he gave me the impression its a relaxed supervision and can be with different tradesmen or employers and would not be tied down.
after the log book is filled in hand it in to energy safety and then book onto the 2 week course, after this get the license.
i asked him if i was in perth on an artc as an electrical mechanic would the supervision and log book still be the case.he then told me if i served my apprenticeship in the uk i am an overseas electrician and would still have to be supervised etc.
he told me they are crying out for tradesmen and employers are happy to take on log book electricians.he told me the log book and the etl course could be completed in 6 months and the rate of pay should be the same.
find that one hard to believe as you need books signed and supervised.if an employer has a choice of an a grade or logbook spark who will get the job?
i asked if they are crying out for electricians why change the rules.in case anything goes wrong with any of your work carried out was reply.

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Just to confirm, I know its already been mentioned............


I emailed energysafety yesterday and received an email back saying 'please see attached form' thats it, no explanation and not an answer to my question !!!!

I have noticed a difference from the NEW forms that have just been attached to the energysafety site.

if you apply with a ARTC as a Electrical Mechanic it says this ;

Once your application is received, you will be issued a permit to work under supervision to enable you to gain on-the-job experience under Australian conditions while having your skills assessed by a Registered Training Organisation approved by the Electrical Licensing Board.
When you have completed successfully the skills assessment, you will be eligible to be issued an ‘Electrician’s Licence’ on paying the five-yearly Registration Fee.


if you apply with the OTSR it says this ;

Once your application is received, you will be issued a permit to work under supervision to enable you to gain on-the-job experience under Australian conditions while undertaking the Gap Training at an approved Registered Training Organisation.
When you have completed successfully the Gap Training and been issued your Certificate III in Electrotechnology Electrician you will be eligible to be issued an ‘Electrician’s Licence’ on paying the five-yearly Registration Fee.


Notice the difference,

skills assessed with an ARTC

Gap training with an OTSR


Gap training 12 months, skills assessed 2-3 months ??????? only speculating, anyone know the answer ??????????


I have now sent another email asking them to expand on the process for a ARTC electrician, i'll keep you all updated

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When I applied for ETL course it took me a month to get an answer from Energy safety. After I got the approval letter I also got a form for the license for a work under supervision. Normally it takes a time to book the course with one of the RTOs (there is 4 RTOs in Perth, I rang CET they were fully
booked 3 months ahead) so that's the reason for restricted license, to get a work and also to collect some experience before roll youself in TAFE. I was lucky and I booked in a week time at Rockingham TAFE so I never applied for the restricted license.

Sorry for grammar mistakes if any.

PS maybe they have changed the rules but I am pretty sure they have no idea what is going on and that is the reason for confusing answers over the phone. Let's wait for somebody who's going to apply in the next few days (with ARTC)

Kind regards to everybody

Deyan

PPS here is shi.t load of work in Perth so no worries about a job.

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I am booked in to do the ETL course in two weeks. I'm guessing it will be ok for me to do this and not have to do the gap training? I got a call from energy safety two days ago saying it was ok for me to attend the course. Hope I will be ok to get the A Grade after completing the course.

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Mick00

What way did you apply?

Have you went OSTR or ARTC way?

Did you get a approval letter from energysafety before booking CET?

sorry for these questions but this will clear alot of things up on this discussion hope!!

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I applied for an ARTC 18th May is when they revieved it, it was then granted as an electrical mechanic about 3 1/2 months later. I then brought the letter into energy safety and got their approval letter about 2 weeks later saying I could do the ETL course. I rang CET Balcatta and booked onto the course for the start of November. The girls in there aid she had not recieved the letter from energy safety stating I could attend which they usually do, I then got a call from a guy in energy safety saying he would resend the letter to her and that it was alright for me to attend the course. His pone call was about a week ago.
If you have any other questions just ask, Hope this was helpful?

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I arrived in WA just over a month ago, rang two job adverts and was offered both jobs the next day even with "working under supervision".
Most of the bigger companies won't touch you without your licence but the smaller one-man-bands are fine with it, they see it as cheaper labour definiately, but thats how it is here.
And as for the mines work you see advertised in uk, it is not that easy to get into, "unless you know someone" if you know what I mean....and only if you have your licence.
So,if you are still in Uk waiting to get here i would strongly advise you get the ARTC application in, even if you have vetassess as the only thing that is for certain is that the aussie's like to change the goalposts at the drop of a hat.The more bits of paper you can get, can only help to cover you for the changes to come.
good luck,
Paul

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You also need licences for just about everything. Sparky licence, cabling licence, security licence, elevated platform licence, etc etc etc.

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Hi Guys
I have done some investigation on this for my husband who is UK qualified. We are hoping to move over next august on my 457.

I contacted energy safety yesterday re the changes and they told me the decision to go to on the job training has been reversed and it is back to the old system with the ELT course after getting the nod from the TRA and energy safety.

However there is also the issue of the national licence. It has been approved everywhere except WA and SA (I think) but in WA has yet to clear parliament.
(see www.http://nola.gov.au/ for more info)
Does anyone know what the national licence system will entail for overseas sparkies? Also I am presuming that as WA has yet to agree it is unlikely to be implemented before we arrive next year??

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Has anyone actually received an ARTC cert within the last month and booked on the WA A License course and asked is there Gap training after and restricted or got a exact answer in writing saying two week course then A License NO gap anymore with OSTR or ARTC applications??

I have been in contact as well as others and everyone seems to get differenet views. I was told from energy safety Artc two week course A License.
Ostr two week course gap training log book then A License.

Hence why I have applied for Artc cert to miss the Gap training malarky.

I am going to start a new thread and detail all what I have done and went through to hopefully clear up conflicting views or should I say misinterpreted comments. :confused::confused: on this subject.

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to be honest most of the conflict comes from the licencing bodies themselves, it would seem it all depends on who answers your inquirey as to the advice / answers given,

i had some hassle sorting out my contractors licence i was told by one qld safety officer that i had to wait for 12 months from getting my electrical licence before i could apply for the contractors, but futher advice form chris at qet hasd me talking to another officer who put the application through, the 12 month rule was only made to stop newly quilified lads from getting a contractors before geting some real site experiance and should have been ignored in my case, ie having several years ( and then some ) experiance

steve

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I am a qualified Electrician, i am moving to perth in August this year, how do I go about in gaining a ARTC or a OTSR and how long does it take to get them?

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To further muddy the waters have a look at the NOLA website and the FAQ's for existing licence holders, says that if you have a licence for a state now that once the national licence system starts in July that you will automatically become a national licence holder and be able to work nationally to the same level as your previous state based licence. This opens all sorts of cans of worms and contradicts that apparent reluctance of states to recognise other states licencing requirements and systems.
As it stands only WA have yet to formally accept this system all other states have signed up. But.... I bet if you phone Qld, Nsw, Vic etc the person you speak to wont even know what NOLA is!

http://nola.gov.au/transitioning-to-...ent-licensees/

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so many threads with alot of confusing info can anybody who has recently got there application from the artc granted and then done 2 weeks in tafe college to get there A license put up a good How to?

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Hi Guys
New to this site!!!
Been in WA for 5 years and been through the whole circus of getting an A-Grade licence. Had my qualifications assessed by TRA (Electrical Fitter)
Been to the Rockingham TAFE for ELT Course. Have applied and worked under supervision foe 1 year. Filled in the logbook.
Finally have to go to do the Theory and practical exams in Balga.
Any ideas on what to expect eg questions etc?

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I am in sydney i have a provisional licence which means nothing to any employer but helps when enrolling at tafe you need 12 months supervised wiring experience plus gap training at tafe which costs $1700 plus books about $400 course is pretty intense but once you get started it seems easier i have being working for a small company for 12 months tafe gives you a workplace evidence book to complete with about 25 things to sign off you also need p.l.c or telecommunications course which costs $775 at milcom and is a five day course as i got a ostsr peertec does not even know how to assist me to get your provisional licence you need to go to fair trading office in sydney which is opposite central station i went there five times with my vetassess report until someone actually knew what it was they are clueless so explain to them what it is you want it costs $129 the course at tafe starts in febuary and ends in june 21 and they reckon failure rate is 55% this info is for NSW i know this sounds like a hassle and it definitely is but it looks like the only way if you have gone the vetassess route ;)