ARTC Little help please!!
Jun 13th 2009, 6:31 am
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ARTC Little help please!!
Hi, this is starting to bother me now i`ve been filling out the ARTC form and am now on section 11 Experience in classification in witch assessment is sought, I`m just not sure how to go about putting down on paper:
All the tasks/projects and actual duties,
Over what period and how frequently you performed each duty/ task,
Items made or repaired by you,
Diagrams, printed instructions and references you used,
Any advice on how you guys set it up, how much you wrote, and how you wrote it down eg listed it, bullet points or big story`s about each task.
any advice would be much appreciated
Derek.
All the tasks/projects and actual duties,
Over what period and how frequently you performed each duty/ task,
Items made or repaired by you,
Diagrams, printed instructions and references you used,
Any advice on how you guys set it up, how much you wrote, and how you wrote it down eg listed it, bullet points or big story`s about each task.
any advice would be much appreciated
Derek.
Jun 14th 2009, 5:47 am
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Re: ARTC Little help please!!
Del-Jo;
if you want the ARTC then you must do it all correct or they shall point you down the Vatessess route then thats a nightmare i can assure you when your here.
i have put together some info for people on here make sure you do it all correct & i mean the application.
READY for this.
To who it may concern on this site.
I spoke to the main person at PEER Training in South Australia on 3-6-2009, this is what happens between ARTC & vatessess. When you make your application for migration, you supply information regarding your training the length of training; you also provided evidence of the company's you have worked for.
If you don't provide enough information or the type of information they may require for easy processes of the application this is where the two different routes come into play.
To Gain the Electrical Mechanic ARTC
1st if you give info of work styles like lots of contracting work on industrial, commercial, domestic work you supply enough evidence & info on the type of installations you have worked on also all differing tools used. If they feel that's enough evidence you shall be granted the ARTC Electrical Mechanic, end of story.
You may also be invited to do a trade test for ARTC again depending on the amount of info you put in the application, most case these days expect to be invited to do a trade test.
This system lets you apply to sit the A class exams when you get here I recommend PEER in S/A that’s the easiest route believe me.
If you don't provide enough info, you shall be pointed down the Vatessess route.
Both ARTC & vatessess now have the system where you shall have to do a trade test no ifs or buts.
With the Vatessess You still end up with the Cert for migration but in the long run it’s a nightmare mainly due to other components that come into play when you’re in Australia.
This means you can still do the A class exams at PEER when here, however there is a different system for Vatessess students.
For people who get the Cert of Electrical Mechanic & General Electrician, Electrical Fitter can also attend PEER to do there A class license no problems.
Now then apart from ARTC.
People who have been steered down the Vatessess route & people with General Electrician this can cause massive problems in other states, some states require what’s called Gap training this means you must work onsite for 12 months keeping a log book of all work completed on a continual basis without any breaks in the work time of the 12 months.
you won’t get a A class license until you have done this logbook you only get a ”Restricted license” meaning you’re not allowed to work on your own.??? Who is going to employ a person who must have all work checked on a daily basis.
This is mainly for people doing Vatessess, people can go to PEER in S/A do the exams then have the A class transferred to the state you are going to reside in then your fine, But as I say this is for vatessess people mainly even though you may do the PEER route you must do this Log Book for 12 months if your living in QLD
Problems are
lower pay
work checked continually
if you have a gap in the 12 months your buggered.
You can only have a restricted license for a few years then that’s your lot.
As I say I got this from the main man on Friday 03-6-2009 from PEER S/A
I hope this info is of some help to you all maybe not what you’re expecting but its real information
When you do the application you must have all documents signed & dated then the documents become a legal document make lots of copies make sure all is correct or the application shall be returned to you with little info stating why or what the problem may be from the migration dept.
It’s” illegal” to work in any state across Australia without the A class license, NO insurance company would touch a claim if anything was to go wrong.
Then if you intend to work for yourself after obtaining the A class license you then go to the nearest Tafe (College) and do a 12 week x 1 night per week doing a Business course.
When you have passed this course then you must obtain Insurance. It’s become normal now for Indemnity cover of $10,000,000 (Ten Million) dollars insurance cover.
Then you can quote for jobs in a legal capacity as I say this is only if you intend to be working for yourself, if you work for a company then all you require is the A class license.
If you intend to setup your own company & you have the A class license every job you do for any customer you must supply that customer with an COES (Certificate of Electrical Safety) one copy direct to the customer one copy to Energy Safe the other copy you keep for 7 years. Most installations are now being audited to about 30% in all states.
Getting the ATRC or ART or Vatessess may seem to be the easy part once your here this is exactly what must be achieved to work as a fully licensed electrician in Australia.
Most Migration “Agents” (That’s a laugh) do NOT inform people about the information above you pay them your money then that’s your lot you’re on your own when you get here.
I hope this information is of some value to any people who may be applying for migration.
Myself I try to help people around Melbourne, there is another person on British Ex Pats who lives in QLD his name on the site is Steve’O he is fantastic and very switched on he is also available for assistance with information for the migration process.
The duration of the A class license is 3 years it’s your responsibility to renew the license you get a renewal reminder then that's your lot if you DON'T renew you must sit all exams again.
The duration of the Contractors course in Melbourne is about 12 weeks x one night per week
Cost of A class license about $270.00 per 5 years
Electrical Contractors course Now has become Small Business Course in S/A cost $1,160.00 to date 27/5/2009 one payment only. The course 2 x modules 1st Legal requirements + 2nd financial costing & planning the course is completed over three Sundays at PEER total duration of the course = 60 hours inclusive of projects completed at home. (Most of the work is achieved at home)
Cost of Contractors license about $300.00 per year.
Cost of Insurance depends on how much cover you require I have $10,000,000 (Ten Million) costing $500.00 per year.
There is also a Basic Safety induction course x 6 hour done in 1 day $80.00 at PEER
The original Certificate was the Green card now it’s become the White card.
This card is recognised Australia wide, most sites shall require you to hold this card or you may NOT be allowed on site to work.??
A bit more info Regarding Licensing for Electricians
http://www.ocba.sa.gov.au/assets/fil...heet_oseas.pdf
Quote
Trade Recognition Australia (TRA)
If you are a qualified electrical tradesperson from a country other than those recognised by VETASSESS, you can obtain an Australian Recognised Trade Certificate (ARTCs) from Trade Recognition Australia to assist in your application for a restricted electrical workers registration. TRA will assess your current qualifications/experience and technical skills and list the units of competency that you have completed on the ARTC.
Once you have been issued with an Australian Recognised Trade Certificate, you may then make an application for a workers registration with our office.
If you are recognised as an Electrician, Electrical Fitter or Electrical Mechanic, you may apply for a restricted registration with the condition: any electrical work under the supervision of a registered electrical worker.
To have this limitation removed or to apply for an unrestricted registration, you will also be required to provide evidence of completion of the approved AS/NZS 3000:2007 Wiring Rules course and exam.
To obtain your unrestricted Electrical licence you will need an appropriate Certificate recognising your skills eg ARTC,ART,VETASSESS or similar you will also need to complete what’s known as the gap training of approximately 160 hours
Over a period of 12 months with No Breaks in employment
To complete the process you will need to be employed, carry a work place
log and have a restricted electrical licence (fees for the licence are in the area of $300.00 dollars)
For further information on the AS/NZS 3000:2007 Wiring Rules course and exam you may wish to contact either of the following organisations:
Regency Institute of TAFE (08) 8348 4426
PEER Tec (08) 8348 1200
Regards & Best of luck with your applications, if you require help just ask
Arthur Quinn Melbourne
(PS) If you don’t pay the licenses or insurance, you’re unable to work in a legal capacity anywhere in Australia.
if you want the ARTC then you must do it all correct or they shall point you down the Vatessess route then thats a nightmare i can assure you when your here.
i have put together some info for people on here make sure you do it all correct & i mean the application.
READY for this.
To who it may concern on this site.
I spoke to the main person at PEER Training in South Australia on 3-6-2009, this is what happens between ARTC & vatessess. When you make your application for migration, you supply information regarding your training the length of training; you also provided evidence of the company's you have worked for.
If you don't provide enough information or the type of information they may require for easy processes of the application this is where the two different routes come into play.
To Gain the Electrical Mechanic ARTC
1st if you give info of work styles like lots of contracting work on industrial, commercial, domestic work you supply enough evidence & info on the type of installations you have worked on also all differing tools used. If they feel that's enough evidence you shall be granted the ARTC Electrical Mechanic, end of story.
You may also be invited to do a trade test for ARTC again depending on the amount of info you put in the application, most case these days expect to be invited to do a trade test.
This system lets you apply to sit the A class exams when you get here I recommend PEER in S/A that’s the easiest route believe me.
If you don't provide enough info, you shall be pointed down the Vatessess route.
Both ARTC & vatessess now have the system where you shall have to do a trade test no ifs or buts.
With the Vatessess You still end up with the Cert for migration but in the long run it’s a nightmare mainly due to other components that come into play when you’re in Australia.
This means you can still do the A class exams at PEER when here, however there is a different system for Vatessess students.
For people who get the Cert of Electrical Mechanic & General Electrician, Electrical Fitter can also attend PEER to do there A class license no problems.
Now then apart from ARTC.
People who have been steered down the Vatessess route & people with General Electrician this can cause massive problems in other states, some states require what’s called Gap training this means you must work onsite for 12 months keeping a log book of all work completed on a continual basis without any breaks in the work time of the 12 months.
you won’t get a A class license until you have done this logbook you only get a ”Restricted license” meaning you’re not allowed to work on your own.??? Who is going to employ a person who must have all work checked on a daily basis.
This is mainly for people doing Vatessess, people can go to PEER in S/A do the exams then have the A class transferred to the state you are going to reside in then your fine, But as I say this is for vatessess people mainly even though you may do the PEER route you must do this Log Book for 12 months if your living in QLD
Problems are
lower pay
work checked continually
if you have a gap in the 12 months your buggered.
You can only have a restricted license for a few years then that’s your lot.
As I say I got this from the main man on Friday 03-6-2009 from PEER S/A
I hope this info is of some help to you all maybe not what you’re expecting but its real information
When you do the application you must have all documents signed & dated then the documents become a legal document make lots of copies make sure all is correct or the application shall be returned to you with little info stating why or what the problem may be from the migration dept.
It’s” illegal” to work in any state across Australia without the A class license, NO insurance company would touch a claim if anything was to go wrong.
Then if you intend to work for yourself after obtaining the A class license you then go to the nearest Tafe (College) and do a 12 week x 1 night per week doing a Business course.
When you have passed this course then you must obtain Insurance. It’s become normal now for Indemnity cover of $10,000,000 (Ten Million) dollars insurance cover.
Then you can quote for jobs in a legal capacity as I say this is only if you intend to be working for yourself, if you work for a company then all you require is the A class license.
If you intend to setup your own company & you have the A class license every job you do for any customer you must supply that customer with an COES (Certificate of Electrical Safety) one copy direct to the customer one copy to Energy Safe the other copy you keep for 7 years. Most installations are now being audited to about 30% in all states.
Getting the ATRC or ART or Vatessess may seem to be the easy part once your here this is exactly what must be achieved to work as a fully licensed electrician in Australia.
Most Migration “Agents” (That’s a laugh) do NOT inform people about the information above you pay them your money then that’s your lot you’re on your own when you get here.
I hope this information is of some value to any people who may be applying for migration.
Myself I try to help people around Melbourne, there is another person on British Ex Pats who lives in QLD his name on the site is Steve’O he is fantastic and very switched on he is also available for assistance with information for the migration process.
The duration of the A class license is 3 years it’s your responsibility to renew the license you get a renewal reminder then that's your lot if you DON'T renew you must sit all exams again.
The duration of the Contractors course in Melbourne is about 12 weeks x one night per week
Cost of A class license about $270.00 per 5 years
Electrical Contractors course Now has become Small Business Course in S/A cost $1,160.00 to date 27/5/2009 one payment only. The course 2 x modules 1st Legal requirements + 2nd financial costing & planning the course is completed over three Sundays at PEER total duration of the course = 60 hours inclusive of projects completed at home. (Most of the work is achieved at home)
Cost of Contractors license about $300.00 per year.
Cost of Insurance depends on how much cover you require I have $10,000,000 (Ten Million) costing $500.00 per year.
There is also a Basic Safety induction course x 6 hour done in 1 day $80.00 at PEER
The original Certificate was the Green card now it’s become the White card.
This card is recognised Australia wide, most sites shall require you to hold this card or you may NOT be allowed on site to work.??
A bit more info Regarding Licensing for Electricians
http://www.ocba.sa.gov.au/assets/fil...heet_oseas.pdf
Quote
Trade Recognition Australia (TRA)
If you are a qualified electrical tradesperson from a country other than those recognised by VETASSESS, you can obtain an Australian Recognised Trade Certificate (ARTCs) from Trade Recognition Australia to assist in your application for a restricted electrical workers registration. TRA will assess your current qualifications/experience and technical skills and list the units of competency that you have completed on the ARTC.
Once you have been issued with an Australian Recognised Trade Certificate, you may then make an application for a workers registration with our office.
If you are recognised as an Electrician, Electrical Fitter or Electrical Mechanic, you may apply for a restricted registration with the condition: any electrical work under the supervision of a registered electrical worker.
To have this limitation removed or to apply for an unrestricted registration, you will also be required to provide evidence of completion of the approved AS/NZS 3000:2007 Wiring Rules course and exam.
To obtain your unrestricted Electrical licence you will need an appropriate Certificate recognising your skills eg ARTC,ART,VETASSESS or similar you will also need to complete what’s known as the gap training of approximately 160 hours
Over a period of 12 months with No Breaks in employment
To complete the process you will need to be employed, carry a work place
log and have a restricted electrical licence (fees for the licence are in the area of $300.00 dollars)
For further information on the AS/NZS 3000:2007 Wiring Rules course and exam you may wish to contact either of the following organisations:
Regency Institute of TAFE (08) 8348 4426
PEER Tec (08) 8348 1200
Regards & Best of luck with your applications, if you require help just ask
Arthur Quinn Melbourne
(PS) If you don’t pay the licenses or insurance, you’re unable to work in a legal capacity anywhere in Australia.
Jun 14th 2009, 6:14 am
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Location: Melbourne
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Re: ARTC Little help please!!
Del-Jo;
have a look at this for a tool list mate remember the people doing your application are all Pen Pushers they don't know conduit from a rubber duck.??
here goes.
Tool List
Insulated screwdrivers 1000 volt VDE Flat & Phillips
Stubby screwdrivers
VDE Side cutters
VDE Pliers,
VDE Long nose Pliers
VDE Cable shears
Adjustable grips
Adjustable spanners
Tape measures
Spirit level
Scale rule
Adjustable set square
Floor board saw
Tennon Saw
24” Rip saw
Joiner hack saw
Large hacksaw
Pad saw
Hole cutters from 16mm to 100mm and Harbor’s
Mole grips
Metric/AF/Whitworth spanners in open ended, ring and combination
Bush spanner
¼, ½, ¾ drive sockets in metric, AF and Whitworth
Claw hammer
Lump hammer
Spade chisel
Scotching Chisel
Wood bits 6mm to 38m
Drill bits 1mm to 10mm
Masonry drill bits from 5.5mm to 25mm
Set of metal files flat, half round and round
Sets of Allen keys metric and imperial
0 – 400v testers
Stanley knife
Tin snips
Ratchet Crimping tools for insulated terminal crimps
Punch down tool
MICC stripping tool
MICC Potting wrench.
MICC Potting crimping tool.
14.4v battery drill + 2 batteries
12v torch + spare battery
24v SDS percussion drill
Soldering iron/desolder pump/solder/flux
110v transformers
110v jig saw
110v drill
110v angled drill
110v angled grinder
110v circular saws
110v Kango breaker
110v chop saw
110v Extension leads
110v splitter box
Hydraulic cable Lug Crimper 16mm to 400mm
Petrol 3.5kva generator
Petrol concrete cutter
Insulated step ladders of various sizes
Insulated ladder
Pair cable drums Jacks
Portable appliance tester
Earth loop impedance testers
Insulation resistance testers
RCD testers
Light meter
Sound meter
FOS meter
2 way radios
Labelling machine
Steel conduit pipe vice and bending machine.
Nut drivers
Wire brush
Nylon fish tape
Torque wrench
Plumb Line
Chalk line
Digging shovel
Trenching shovel
Pick Axe
Broom
Note all Electrical tool used onsite through the UK “Must” have a voltage rating of 110V AC
Materials used on a day to day basis:
Electrical Panel Boards
Consumer Units (Switchboards) PVC and metal clad
Distribution board’s Single phase 230V & 3 phase 415V.
Fire alarm panels
Galvanized unistrut
Threaded rod Bar
Washers and nuts
Ladder rack
Cable tray (variety)
Basket tray
Steel and PVC Trunking and conduits
Trunking and conduit accessories
Single and 3 phase busbar Trunking
Steel and PVC boxes
Power Sockets
Light Switches
Isolators x 1 phase 230V & 3 x phase 415V
Steel fused switches and isolators
Fire alarm detector & bases
Interfaces and monitoring devices
PVC/SWA cable
LSF/SWA cable
FP200 cable
MICC cable
Single insulated cable
Double insulated cable
Twin and earth cable
Def stancable
Coaxial cable
Twisted pair cable Cat5, Cat5e, Cat6, Cat7
SY & YY cable and various flexes.
have a look at this for a tool list mate remember the people doing your application are all Pen Pushers they don't know conduit from a rubber duck.??
here goes.
Tool List
Insulated screwdrivers 1000 volt VDE Flat & Phillips
Stubby screwdrivers
VDE Side cutters
VDE Pliers,
VDE Long nose Pliers
VDE Cable shears
Adjustable grips
Adjustable spanners
Tape measures
Spirit level
Scale rule
Adjustable set square
Floor board saw
Tennon Saw
24” Rip saw
Joiner hack saw
Large hacksaw
Pad saw
Hole cutters from 16mm to 100mm and Harbor’s
Mole grips
Metric/AF/Whitworth spanners in open ended, ring and combination
Bush spanner
¼, ½, ¾ drive sockets in metric, AF and Whitworth
Claw hammer
Lump hammer
Spade chisel
Scotching Chisel
Wood bits 6mm to 38m
Drill bits 1mm to 10mm
Masonry drill bits from 5.5mm to 25mm
Set of metal files flat, half round and round
Sets of Allen keys metric and imperial
0 – 400v testers
Stanley knife
Tin snips
Ratchet Crimping tools for insulated terminal crimps
Punch down tool
MICC stripping tool
MICC Potting wrench.
MICC Potting crimping tool.
14.4v battery drill + 2 batteries
12v torch + spare battery
24v SDS percussion drill
Soldering iron/desolder pump/solder/flux
110v transformers
110v jig saw
110v drill
110v angled drill
110v angled grinder
110v circular saws
110v Kango breaker
110v chop saw
110v Extension leads
110v splitter box
Hydraulic cable Lug Crimper 16mm to 400mm
Petrol 3.5kva generator
Petrol concrete cutter
Insulated step ladders of various sizes
Insulated ladder
Pair cable drums Jacks
Portable appliance tester
Earth loop impedance testers
Insulation resistance testers
RCD testers
Light meter
Sound meter
FOS meter
2 way radios
Labelling machine
Steel conduit pipe vice and bending machine.
Nut drivers
Wire brush
Nylon fish tape
Torque wrench
Plumb Line
Chalk line
Digging shovel
Trenching shovel
Pick Axe
Broom
Note all Electrical tool used onsite through the UK “Must” have a voltage rating of 110V AC
Materials used on a day to day basis:
Electrical Panel Boards
Consumer Units (Switchboards) PVC and metal clad
Distribution board’s Single phase 230V & 3 phase 415V.
Fire alarm panels
Galvanized unistrut
Threaded rod Bar
Washers and nuts
Ladder rack
Cable tray (variety)
Basket tray
Steel and PVC Trunking and conduits
Trunking and conduit accessories
Single and 3 phase busbar Trunking
Steel and PVC boxes
Power Sockets
Light Switches
Isolators x 1 phase 230V & 3 x phase 415V
Steel fused switches and isolators
Fire alarm detector & bases
Interfaces and monitoring devices
PVC/SWA cable
LSF/SWA cable
FP200 cable
MICC cable
Single insulated cable
Double insulated cable
Twin and earth cable
Def stancable
Coaxial cable
Twisted pair cable Cat5, Cat5e, Cat6, Cat7
SY & YY cable and various flexes.
Jun 14th 2009, 7:20 am
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Re: ARTC Little help please!!
Cheers for that Arthur Ill add some of that to my list of tools, it was more the duties and tasks over what period and how frequently bit that was bothering me or rather how to put on paper.
cheers Del
cheers Del
