jeffreyhy

Targaff,

Reading through this thread, it seems to me that your rant is at the US immigration laws and services, whereas your problem is the medical center to which you went. As your own posts point out, it's the medical center that is telling you to get innoculations that the government does not require.

You are indeed a pretty ****ed up bunny.

Regards, JEff

Squire

In article , lairdside
writes
    >Meauxna - the systems are more integrated in the UK? You'd better
    >believe it. Information is shared between agencies to a point which
    >would be deemed in contravention of peoples' rights in the US.

Although this is veering off topic I'm curious that you see such
integration in the UK. Perhaps as an outsider you have a better
perspective and I'd be grateful if you could give me a few examples?


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squire
Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others. (Groucho)

lairdside

By comparison the number of people admitted for LPR to the US in 2001 was 1,064,318.

In 2000 there were almost 33.7 million non-immigrant admissions.

So, if I adjust the figures by comparative populations (approximately).

Non-immigrant ratios UK= 13 US=7.22

Settlement UK= 106,820 US= 228,068

The figures for the UK do not include EEA Nationals btw as they do not need a visa. (And it seems like considering those who move from state to state as immigrants )

Targaff

jeffreyhy wrote in
news:[email protected]:

    > Reading through this thread, it seems to me that your rant is at the
    > US immigration laws and services, whereas your problem is the medical
    > center to which you went. As your own posts point out, it's the
    > medical center that is telling you to get innoculations that the
    > government does not require.
    >
    > You are indeed a pretty ****ed up bunny.

Jeff,

Disregarding your presumably deliberate misinterpretation of the
tagline, although I wouldn't be sure on that for someone who can't think
farther than one step at a time...

The K-1 interview includes the requirement to meet precisely the same
vaccination requirements (excluding, in my case, a couple, e.g.
varicella and pertussis, which are ignored in the UK) as part of the
physical exam - a physical which is also required, I believe, if your
original examination is more than a year old. To that end, actually
requiring the supplement in the first place is completely redundant.

Furthermore, whilst the requirements which I'm seemingly been told to be
met, although given on the CDC page, are, and I quote "different for
INS" [sic] than they are for a citizen. According to this, then, the
BCIS is issuing requirements above and beyond what would ever be asked
of someone who was born here.

So let's see, the I-693 is redundant and the BCIS requirements are
excessive; am I angry at the clinic? Yeah - but they're just doing the
job they were given by the people who issue it. Most of the other
clinics I called said the same.

You can now go back to Logic 101, clearly something you failed.

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Targaff

Targaff

Ranjini wrote in news:829330.1055532734
@britishexpats.com:

    > As you know, this is the truth, Laird. When all is said and done,
    > Britain has always been an ally. Britain is also held in high regard in
    > many countries of the world. But when some of our British Expats get
    > going, one begins to wonder why they are in this country at all or even
    > want to come here. Note, I just said SOME and I think you know what I
    > am talking about....

Me? ;> I can't tell, I've lost the threading on the topic.

Eh, for me I've whined and moaned when I've been chafing at bureaucratic
inanities, but at least I've also contributed help when and where I can,
and taken some sort of on and off semi-constructive part in the newsgroup.
I think everyone has a right to complain at one time or another if they're
also prepared to do their bit for others.

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Targaff

Targaff

Sleuth wrote in
news:[email protected]:

    > Fact is, I share one of your stated aspirations.... I can't wait for
    > you to see the US at your back either. Difference is, I'm grateful
    > that you left all that hard earned money (I at least assume you earn
    > your money) here in the states. Perhaps some family will have a nicer
    > Christmas as that money is passed into their hands in the form of
    > earnings.

Yeah, you've mentioned that money twice now. Good to see where your
priorities lie, yay capitalism and all that. If you've been following
the group you'll know that the majority of the money I've put into the
US goes towards paying for the processing of asylum and refugee
applications. Good for it! There's not been a great deal of money
besides that because I only got an EAD last month.

And *me* taking it personally? More like taking it impersonally. But
since you've clearly not bothered to try and understand what I was
actually complaining about and instead decided to interpret it as a
cantankerous, wild-eyed attack on the US that's clearly riled your
national... sorry, patriotic little heart, I don't think it's really
worth my taking the time to try and explain that to you.

    > Some come to this list to find help negotiating a rather overwhelming
    > bureacracy. Many get great information here. Others, it seems, come
    > here to bitch, whine, moan and complain. It's been my experience,
    > that the former is far more productive than the latter.

Some have been here long enough to start to help others in negotiating
the bureaucracy, and are able to not only do that but provide the
information as well. Capisce? That doesn't preclude the right to say
when you think something is wrong. The newsgroup is known as
alt.visa.us.marriage-based, not alt.visa.
letsallgetmarriedandmovetothewonderfulUS,andnaryab adwordtosayaboutit. I
doubt there's a single person on this newsgroup who doesn't think
there's specific aspects of the entire process that don't need
revamping, but last I checked this is a place for the good *and* the bad
experiences. If you don't want to read a bad word about your beloved
land, don't read it.

You have a great day too.

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Targaff

Matthew Udall

Hi Targaff,
Sorry to see that this thread is deteriorating in its current way. This reply is not meant to touch upon those touchy issues that seem to be appearing in this thread, but instead just a couple of comments. No offence intended.

As far as the vaccinations for the exam associated with the K-1 goes, most of my clients never receive the full set of vaccinations during the exam for the Consulate. The hepatitis shots come in series, and I believe (I’m not a doctor so I could be wrong) they take up to 6 month to administer.

Therefore while some clients get some of the vaccinations at the K-1 exam, they usually always end up getting the ones they missed later on once they have entered and are processing their permanent resident status. In my letter that I send to the clients with their AOS forms sent for signatures, I give them a blank vaccination supplement form, remind them “again� to collect their vaccination records from home if they did not bring them with them (and I would assume if they did not get a record of the vaccinations given for the K-1 interview, one could be obtained by asking for it from that particular doctor located abroad), and I send them a list of BCIS approved doctors in their area (I like them to go to a BCIS Doctor for their vaccinations in the thought that the BCIS Doctor will be well versed in the BCIS policy in this regard, used to filling out the vaccination supplement, and will do the job right). In my letter to the client I cite the hepatitis example taking a while to obtain, and encourage them to get started right away so they will be done by the time of the AOS interview.

Sure, the BCIS “could� ask for a new “medical exam� if the one performed for the K-1 interview is too old by the time of the AOS interview, but the medical exam and the vaccination supplement are two separate and distinct issues. One might have to have a new medical exam performed, but that does not mean the client must be revaccinated if they have records to show they already received the vaccination(s).

Again, not trying to be disrespectful or flippant here, but I don’t think it will hurt to state the obvious fact that U.S. citizens don’t need to ask for permission to live in the U.S. I can’t explain to you why Congress decided to impose these vaccination requirements on immigrants as I was not part of that decision making process. Do I agree with their decision to require vaccinations? I really don’t see what all of the fuss is about (requiring immigrants to do this), however again I’m not a Doctor so I might not be taking into account the same factors that Congress likely did when getting their counsel when coming to their decision.

Regards,
M.U.

lairdside

Hep B is a series of three shots and they are usually spaced a couple of months apart in my experience.

I was curious though as to why many of your clients would need these, my daughter did (actually Washoe County School District required them of ALL pupils regardless of immigration and they also required Hep A which immigration does not) but she is eleven. I did not as I am over nineteen years of age.

Matthew Udall

Actually I don't really pay too much attention to the vaccination supplement once the doctor has completed it (I often don't even have an opportunity to see it). I don't decide what shots they must receive and I don't administer them, so the issue of which shots the doctor gives my clients is pretty much "attorney transparent". I've read about the hep shots on the list of vaccinations (and know they take a while to receive), but I leave it up to the Doctor to decide what shots a particular client must receive.

M.U.

lairdside

It's always up to the Doc and they receive regular updates on the requirements from the BCIS so are usually pretty well informed.

Just for the record I discussed the fact that I didn't want my daughter to have the TB skin test with a couple of docs and they had no problem with this - instead proceeding directly to clearing her by X-ray - as she has a BCG history. One doc even went as far to say that if someone has ever had a BCG they do not do the skin test. The physician has to write a note in their report as to why this was done for BCIS but BCIS apparently has no problem with the explanation either.

Ranjini

No, not you Targaff. I'm in agreement with Andy about where you are coming from. Rants are ok if they are based on your personal experience in dealing with BCIS or other institutions associated with it. There are some other rants that come on from time-to-time which are calculated to annoy and nothing to do with this particular person's experience in dealing with the immigration process as is usually discussed on this forum...
I apologise if my post wasn't very specific....

lairdside

I am always ranting

If not ranting was a criteria for participating in this forum I'd have been booted out long ago.....

jeffreyhy

Targaff,

A repeat physical is not necessarily required if the original one for the K1 visa is more than a year old. My wife did not have to have a 2nd physical, and the vacination supplement that she submitted with her AOS application was the one she received at her K1 physical.

Neither the BCIS nor the DOS requires that a person have every innoculation shown on the vaccination supplement. It's up to the doctor giving the exam to determine whether past innoculations are satisfactory or if it is medically inappropriate for a person to have a particular innoculation. The BCIS does not play doctor or second-guess the doctor. The BCIS has a list of innoculations it wants the doctor to review and it's the doctor's decision from there.

It is incorrect to say that the US government requires innoculations of immigrants that it does not require of citizens. Try to get a child into school in the US without going through a list of innoculations that is about twice as extensive as the BCIS' vaccination supplement. If a person went to school in the USA, they've had everything there is to have.

Chill out. You'll live longer and live happier.

Regards, JEff

lairdside

Yup, I pointed out somewhere else that our school district required my daughter to have all of her vaccinations (they checked her vaccination record), plus Hep B which the BCIS also requires and Hep A which the BCIS does not.

The schools here are ruthless when it comes to vaccinations, your child is not allowed to attend until they are up-to-date.

Ranjini

Lol I don't find your posts annoying, Laird. Besides, it's good to hear the opinion of others on the effect your posts have on other forumers. Quite often such posts have the effect of changing one's perspective. Even mine...