Rant the Second - Frigging I693 Supplement
Jun 13th 2003, 1:19 pm
#31
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I don't see why there shouldn't be consessions for certain countries that have their own vaccination programmes very similar to the US one. What is the difference between that and the visa waiver program? If you want to be politically correct, why should some countries not need a visa to visit the US?
Just trying to be logical. That's what's needed to cut the red tape.
As already said, the immigration process has been pieced together hotch-potch over many years, and needs a complete overhaul. For example, I don't see why all consulates should not do DCF even if the USC is not resident. If some can manage it, why not the others?
Just trying to be logical. That's what's needed to cut the red tape.
As already said, the immigration process has been pieced together hotch-potch over many years, and needs a complete overhaul. For example, I don't see why all consulates should not do DCF even if the USC is not resident. If some can manage it, why not the others?
Jun 13th 2003, 3:07 pm
#32
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Re: Rant the Second - Frigging I693 Supplement
"Andy Platt" wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> We have to be careful here. Targaff's first rant was a bit off base
> but that's because he was pissed. And, rightfully so. If you are
> current with your immunizations why on earth do you need to prove you
> had them *before* that. What are they going to do, give you extra
> shots to make up for it?!
>
> He is *not* saying he wants some sort of "out" because he came from
> the UK - he just wants the clinic to do their job properly and is
> venting.
Have a gold star for paying attention
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Targaff
news:[email protected]:
> We have to be careful here. Targaff's first rant was a bit off base
> but that's because he was pissed. And, rightfully so. If you are
> current with your immunizations why on earth do you need to prove you
> had them *before* that. What are they going to do, give you extra
> shots to make up for it?!
>
> He is *not* saying he wants some sort of "out" because he came from
> the UK - he just wants the clinic to do their job properly and is
> venting.
Have a gold star for paying attention
--
Targaff
Jun 13th 2003, 3:13 pm
#33
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Re: Rant the Second - Frigging I693 Supplement
Sleuth wrote in news:828147.1055471398
@britishexpats.com:
> Well, Targaff, all I can add is this: Thanks for leaving your money
> here in the US as you put up with all the BS just because it 'made more
> sense for you to come here', and please.. have a good life in whatever
> 'better' place you land.
*shrug* I've said my piece - the thread now seems to have moved to a more
general comparison of the immigration systems and where they could be
improved.
Maybe you need to stop taking it so personally when someone says something
negative about the US?
--
Targaff
@britishexpats.com:
> Well, Targaff, all I can add is this: Thanks for leaving your money
> here in the US as you put up with all the BS just because it 'made more
> sense for you to come here', and please.. have a good life in whatever
> 'better' place you land.
*shrug* I've said my piece - the thread now seems to have moved to a more
general comparison of the immigration systems and where they could be
improved.
Maybe you need to stop taking it so personally when someone says something
negative about the US?
--
Targaff
Jun 13th 2003, 3:51 pm
#34
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Re: Rant the Second - Frigging I693 Supplement
lairdside wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> One point though, I have no figures for overall immigrants but the UK
> apparently accepts more refugees/assylees than the US, certainly in
> recent years. No, I don't mean per capita and the UK is half the size
> of CA with almost a 60 million population.
Tumtitum, was bored:
http://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/inf...s/stats006.htm (reports
based on Home Office figures).
2002 UK asylum applications: 85,865 (consisting ~110,700 individuals)
UK aslyum decisions: 12% granted refugee status, 29% granted ELR
(exceptional leave to remain)
Also 21% of appeals determined by Immigration Appellate Authority
allowed.
http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/...tics/index.htm
2002 US refugee applications: 89,726
US approved: 18,652
US denied or otherwise closed: 48649
2002 US asylum applictions: 63,427
US approved: 18,998
US denied: 1,658
US adjudicated: 52,607
I don't have a calculator to do a comparison of those, but there are
most recent annual figures for anyone who wants them.
--
Targaff
news:[email protected]:
> One point though, I have no figures for overall immigrants but the UK
> apparently accepts more refugees/assylees than the US, certainly in
> recent years. No, I don't mean per capita and the UK is half the size
> of CA with almost a 60 million population.
Tumtitum, was bored:
http://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/inf...s/stats006.htm (reports
based on Home Office figures).
2002 UK asylum applications: 85,865 (consisting ~110,700 individuals)
UK aslyum decisions: 12% granted refugee status, 29% granted ELR
(exceptional leave to remain)
Also 21% of appeals determined by Immigration Appellate Authority
allowed.
http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/...tics/index.htm
2002 US refugee applications: 89,726
US approved: 18,652
US denied or otherwise closed: 48649
2002 US asylum applictions: 63,427
US approved: 18,998
US denied: 1,658
US adjudicated: 52,607
I don't have a calculator to do a comparison of those, but there are
most recent annual figures for anyone who wants them.
--
Targaff
Jun 13th 2003, 3:52 pm
#35
Howling at the Moon
Joined: Oct 2002
Location: Incline Village, NV
Posts: 3,742
I believe that it is possible to love one's Country and hate one's government 
I love the US - I'm just not the world's biggest fan of bureaucracy, in any country I have lived in.....
I love the US - I'm just not the world's biggest fan of bureaucracy, in any country I have lived in.....
Jun 13th 2003, 4:02 pm
#36
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Re: Rant the Second - Frigging I693 Supplement
MrsLondon wrote in news:828799.1055510354
@britishexpats.com:
> I don't see why there shouldn't be consessions for certain countries
> that have their own vaccination programmes very similar to the US one.
> What is the difference between that and the visa waiver program?
I think the perceived problem is that if any concession is made then people
will take advantage of it. But I'm not bringing that kettle of fish up
again in the newsgroup.
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Targaff
@britishexpats.com:
> I don't see why there shouldn't be consessions for certain countries
> that have their own vaccination programmes very similar to the US one.
> What is the difference between that and the visa waiver program?
I think the perceived problem is that if any concession is made then people
will take advantage of it. But I'm not bringing that kettle of fish up
again in the newsgroup.
--
Targaff
Jun 13th 2003, 4:04 pm
#37
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Posts: 681
Originally posted by lairdside
I believe that it is possible to love one's Country and hate one's government
I love the US - I'm just not the world's biggest fan of bureaucracy, in any country I have lived in.....
I believe that it is possible to love one's Country and hate one's government
I love the US - I'm just not the world's biggest fan of bureaucracy, in any country I have lived in.....
Jun 13th 2003, 4:11 pm
#38
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Re: Rant the Second - Frigging I693 Supplement
<laughing hysterically>....
Seems it was you, friend, who were 'taking things so personally'.
Seems it was you, who 'can't wait to see this country at your back'.
Fact is, I share one of your stated aspirations.... I can't wait for you to see the US at your back either. Difference is, I'm grateful that you left all that hard earned money (I at least assume you earn your money) here in the states. Perhaps some family will have a nicer Christmas as that money is passed into their hands in the form of earnings.
In the alternative, of course, you could operate within the confines of what a Representative Republic calls for (yes, the US is a Representative Republic, NOT a Democracy)... you *could* stay, become a citizen with the right to vote and then use your vote to try and change things about the system you don't like. Or.. you could run to whatever place you feel is better and and continue to rant n rave a lot! But, then, there would be nothing about this system for you to rant about in that case, would there? Guess you will have to ramp up that charming personality to find something new to complain about, won't you?
Some come to this list to find help negotiating a rather overwhelming bureacracy. Many get great information here. Others, it seems, come here to bitch, whine, moan and complain. It's been my experience, that the former is far more productive than the latter.
Have a great day!
K
Seems it was you, friend, who were 'taking things so personally'.
Seems it was you, who 'can't wait to see this country at your back'.
Fact is, I share one of your stated aspirations.... I can't wait for you to see the US at your back either. Difference is, I'm grateful that you left all that hard earned money (I at least assume you earn your money) here in the states. Perhaps some family will have a nicer Christmas as that money is passed into their hands in the form of earnings.
In the alternative, of course, you could operate within the confines of what a Representative Republic calls for (yes, the US is a Representative Republic, NOT a Democracy)... you *could* stay, become a citizen with the right to vote and then use your vote to try and change things about the system you don't like. Or.. you could run to whatever place you feel is better and and continue to rant n rave a lot! But, then, there would be nothing about this system for you to rant about in that case, would there? Guess you will have to ramp up that charming personality to find something new to complain about, won't you?
Some come to this list to find help negotiating a rather overwhelming bureacracy. Many get great information here. Others, it seems, come here to bitch, whine, moan and complain. It's been my experience, that the former is far more productive than the latter.
Have a great day!
K
Originally posted by Targaff
Sleuth wrote in news:828147.1055471398
@britishexpats.com:
*shrug* I've said my piece - the thread now seems to have moved to a more
general comparison of the immigration systems and where they could be
improved.
Maybe you need to stop taking it so personally when someone says something
negative about the US?
--
Targaff
Sleuth wrote in news:828147.1055471398
@britishexpats.com:
*shrug* I've said my piece - the thread now seems to have moved to a more
general comparison of the immigration systems and where they could be
improved.
Maybe you need to stop taking it so personally when someone says something
negative about the US?
--
Targaff
Jun 13th 2003, 5:11 pm
#39
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Posts: 35,082
Originally posted by lairdside
Meauxna - the systems are more integrated in the UK? You'd better believe it. Information is shared between agencies to a point which would be deemed in contravention of peoples' rights in the US.
People would be out protesting, the State governments would flat out refuse to co-operate in many instances.
So people get settlement visas for the UK faster which is a good thing. In the long run I'm not sure it's worth the price though to be honest.
Useful for the UK Government not having a written Constitution eh? ( I'm not counting the Magna Carta).
Meauxna - the systems are more integrated in the UK? You'd better believe it. Information is shared between agencies to a point which would be deemed in contravention of peoples' rights in the US.
People would be out protesting, the State governments would flat out refuse to co-operate in many instances.
So people get settlement visas for the UK faster which is a good thing. In the long run I'm not sure it's worth the price though to be honest.
Useful for the UK Government not having a written Constitution eh? ( I'm not counting the Magna Carta).
Jun 13th 2003, 5:16 pm
#40
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Posts: 35,082
Originally posted by MrsLondon The OP obviously wanted someone to sympathise, which I did, not to jump down his throat with protestations of how wonderful the US is and what an honour is it to be allowed in. Seems to me most people here would happliy sell their soul to get into the US if that was what was required and do so with a smile on their face, so I'll say no more.
Jun 13th 2003, 5:19 pm
#41
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 35,082
Re: Rant the Second - Frigging I693 Supplement
Originally posted by Andy Platt
"meauxna" wrote:
> I continue to be sorry that you feel so put upon by the US government.
> I don't think that security & medical checks are out of order. In
> fact, with National health care in the UK, I'd think they'd be more
> concerned over there. One does have to show that they will not become
We have to be careful here. Targaff's first rant was a bit off base but
that's because he was pissed. And, rightfully so. If you are current with
your immunizations why on earth do you need to prove you had them *before*
that. What are they going to do, give you extra shots to make up for it?!
He is *not* saying he wants some sort of "out" because he came from the UK -
he just wants the clinic to do their job properly and is venting.
Andy.
"meauxna" wrote:
> I continue to be sorry that you feel so put upon by the US government.
> I don't think that security & medical checks are out of order. In
> fact, with National health care in the UK, I'd think they'd be more
> concerned over there. One does have to show that they will not become
We have to be careful here. Targaff's first rant was a bit off base but
that's because he was pissed. And, rightfully so. If you are current with
your immunizations why on earth do you need to prove you had them *before*
that. What are they going to do, give you extra shots to make up for it?!
He is *not* saying he wants some sort of "out" because he came from the UK -
he just wants the clinic to do their job properly and is venting.
Andy.
I never suggested he wants an out because he's British, that is someone else's idea. The quoted comments were for that someone else, in fact.
Jun 13th 2003, 5:20 pm
#42
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Originally posted by meauxna
There's that broad brush again, swinging wildly. I'll deal with the OP in a seperate post, but I wholly agree with the basis for his rant. I don't get your rant though, and made no comment about the wonderfulness of the US or the honor of being let in. However, that is your undying opinion; you've certainly shared it here often enough and over a long enough timespan to let us know where you stand.
There's that broad brush again, swinging wildly. I'll deal with the OP in a seperate post, but I wholly agree with the basis for his rant. I don't get your rant though, and made no comment about the wonderfulness of the US or the honor of being let in. However, that is your undying opinion; you've certainly shared it here often enough and over a long enough timespan to let us know where you stand.
Jun 13th 2003, 7:19 pm
#43
Howling at the Moon
Joined: Oct 2002
Location: Incline Village, NV
Posts: 3,742
Originally posted by meauxna
Thank you for reading between my 'polite' way of saying exactly that.
Thank you for reading between my 'polite' way of saying exactly that.
I'm certainly not tactful at any rate.
Still coming out of my mouth I guess it's an opinion, out of the mouth of someone not from the UK it could be misconstrued as UK bashing...*sigh*
Jun 13th 2003, 7:32 pm
#44
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Originally posted by lairdside
Still coming out of my mouth I guess it's an opinion, out of the mouth of someone not from the UK it could be misconstrued as UK bashing...*sigh*
Still coming out of my mouth I guess it's an opinion, out of the mouth of someone not from the UK it could be misconstrued as UK bashing...*sigh*
Jun 13th 2003, 7:41 pm
#45
Howling at the Moon
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Re: Rant the Second - Frigging I693 Supplement
Originally posted by Targaff
lairdside wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> One point though, I have no figures for overall immigrants but the UK
> apparently accepts more refugees/assylees than the US, certainly in
> recent years. No, I don't mean per capita and the UK is half the size
> of CA with almost a 60 million population.
Tumtitum, was bored:
http://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/inf...s/stats006.htm (reports
based on Home Office figures).
2002 UK asylum applications: 85,865 (consisting ~110,700 individuals)
UK aslyum decisions: 12% granted refugee status, 29% granted ELR
(exceptional leave to remain)
Also 21% of appeals determined by Immigration Appellate Authority
allowed.
http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/...tics/index.htm
2002 US refugee applications: 89,726
US approved: 18,652
US denied or otherwise closed: 48649
2002 US asylum applictions: 63,427
US approved: 18,998
US denied: 1,658
US adjudicated: 52,607
I don't have a calculator to do a comparison of those, but there are
most recent annual figures for anyone who wants them.
--
Targaff
lairdside wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> One point though, I have no figures for overall immigrants but the UK
> apparently accepts more refugees/assylees than the US, certainly in
> recent years. No, I don't mean per capita and the UK is half the size
> of CA with almost a 60 million population.
Tumtitum, was bored:
http://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/inf...s/stats006.htm (reports
based on Home Office figures).
2002 UK asylum applications: 85,865 (consisting ~110,700 individuals)
UK aslyum decisions: 12% granted refugee status, 29% granted ELR
(exceptional leave to remain)
Also 21% of appeals determined by Immigration Appellate Authority
allowed.
http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/...tics/index.htm
2002 US refugee applications: 89,726
US approved: 18,652
US denied or otherwise closed: 48649
2002 US asylum applictions: 63,427
US approved: 18,998
US denied: 1,658
US adjudicated: 52,607
I don't have a calculator to do a comparison of those, but there are
most recent annual figures for anyone who wants them.
--
Targaff
From your link I found these....
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/hosb1102.pdf
(That's the 42 page short version)
http://www.official-documents.co.uk/...5684/5684.html
(The 116 page long version)
Regardless to say I am still reading through.
Seems the number of Non-EEA Nationals admitted to the UK each year is about 13 million (whether temporarily or permanently).
106,820 people were granted settlement in 2001 - down by 15% from 2000.
I'm still reading and get the impression that I shall be for sometime.....
Btw the site I got the links from is:
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/immigration1.html
Last edited by lairdside; Jun 13th 2003 at 7:43 pm.