Targaff

GRAR! How utterly pointless is this thing? But apart from that...

I went to the medical center today to get one filled out. I meet every
single requirement on the supplement, except that I only have my most
recent vaccination record showing that I had the injections. This means
that they are asking me to have a second dose of MMR on top of the one I
had in September 2002, even though the CDC recommendation is adults
"should get at least one dose" and the instructions to physicians state
"At least one dose on or after first birthday". They also require me to
have yet another Dip/Tet booster in addition to the 10 year one I had
last year because there's no record of my having had the, oo *5
injections previously* that are always administered to people in the UK
as part of the standard vaccination schedule (did I mention the two prior
MMR injections that are part of that, too?).

I'm sorry, but requiring immigrants to have more injections than is ever
required (sorry, "recommended") by a native citizen is just moronic.

Quite frankly, this whole immigration process is a farce. I get to leave
the country at the end of July and to be quite frank, I'll be glad to see
the back of it. I can't say I'll even be sorry if I don't pass the AOS.
See, certain more forward thinking countries from the modern world let
you obtain a spousal visa on the same day by walking into the embassy and
paying the fee! Imagine! God - that oh-so-omnipresent forefather of the
United States, lest we forget - forbid that this pisspot bureaucracy ever
stop obsessing about its own importance and introduce something as
sensible as that. And that's not even mentioning items like Canada's
independent immigrant option.

GRAR! How utterly pointless is this thing?

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Targaff is a pretty ****ed off bunny

kitty-uk

ouch !! throws pissed off bunny a carrot .... there there is that better


I hope you know that you shouldn't bite the hand that feeds you lol ie Me ...
All the best Kit

kjdrga

Every U.S. citizen receives these same vaccinations. They are usually given in a person early childhood years. And college students these day are required to have the MMR.

If you didn't have evidence that you had received these shots then they have every right to readminister them again.

Kim

I beg to differ kjdra but native citizens are not FORCED to have these
vaccinations. Many, many people in this country are not vaccinated
for a variety of reasons and all one has to do is state religious
grounds and nothing more is done about it.
It is only us unclean 'Aliens' who are FORCED to if we wish to become
permanent residents. The Land of Liberty and Freedom huh?


kjdrga wrote in message news:...
    > Originally posted by Targaff
    > >
    > > I'm sorry, but requiring immigrants to have more injections
    > > than is ever
    > > required (sorry, "recommended") by a native citizen is just moronic.
    > >
    > >
    >
    > Every U.S. citizen receives these same vaccinations. They are usually
    > given in a person early childhood years. And college students these day
    > are required to have the MMR.
    >
    > If you didn't have evidence that you had received these shots then they
    > have every right to readminister them again.

kjdrga

It is just the same however if one person want to travel to live in another country and they require certain vaccinations to enter then the travelling person should comply for their own safety.

Why do you call yourself unclean, that is not how CDC and other health organizations are looking at it. It is a matter of controlling the spread of disease from either within the country to another and from another to within.

There are so many countries that can not even have a sucessful vacination program for lack of resources and education.

check out the recommendations: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5102a1.htm

Kim you also touched upon something that is not worth argueing about but your right U.S. Citizens have different rights than residents and visitors so just look at your statement again. If you have religious objection to receiving the vaccines then you are able to state that with BCIS however you must be able to back it up!

Matthew Udall

It is up to the person asking for the benefit to provide evidence of meeting the requirements. If you don't have your vaccination records, well.....whose fault is that?

I always make it a point to tell my clients well in advance to collect their vaccination records from their doctors back home, long before they will need to use those vaccination records when going through the AOS process.

Plus, I believe a BCIS approved Doctor can waive any of the vaccinations if the doctor feels it is not appropriate for you to receive the vaccination due to a variety of factors... age, medical condition, etc. If it were dangerous to be revaccinated with a particular vaccine (within a certain time period from receiving the initial vaccination) and you told the doctor you had recently been vaccinated, I would assume the Doctor would waive that vaccination.

I do understand that there are some people who are deathly afraid of vaccinations and who refuse to get them (had a roommate like that once who adamantly refused to ever receive a flu shot). Of course, most people I know who fall into that category are not asking the U.S. government to bestow upon them permanent resident status.

There are also others who refuse any medical treatment (drugs) due to religious convictions. I recall my Father telling me a story once about having to get a court order to be able to administer some absolutely necessary life saving medical treatment to a child whose parents refused to allow the treatment due to religious convictions. My Father was their doctor, and the child recovered. My Dad was not an INS approved doctor (not that I knew of… there wasn’t an INS office near my hometown and he retired many years ago), but he was an FAA approved doctor so in addition to his general practice he administered all of the FAA medicals for the B-52 pilots (and I assume pilots of other types of aircraft) that flew from nearby Castle Air Force Base.

Good luck.

M.U.

Targaff

kjdrga wrote in news:825544.1055338665
@britishexpats.com:

    > Every U.S. citizen receives these same vaccinations.

And every UK citizen receives those same vaccinations, too. The vaccination
schedules are almost identical for the US and the UK.

http://www.americanclinics.com/index.php?page=12

You'll note that's quoted from a site for American Clinics, I hope.

Furthermore, the immigration.gov webpage states that the applicant has to
have those injections which are both required and recommended by the CDC.
The CDC states, and I quote, "anyone 18 years of age or older, who was born
after 1956, should get *at least one dose of MMR vaccine*", therefore if I
can show - and I have - that I have had such a vaccine I meet the
requirement stated (the situation for Td is slightly different, but more or
less the same).

Incidentally, the refusal of the clinic to sign off a supplemental as *not*
meeting the requirements is also not in accordance with the instructions
given.

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Targaff

Targaff

Matthew Udall wrote in
news:[email protected]:

    > It is up to the person asking for the benefit to provide evidence of
    > meeting the requirements. If you don't have your vaccination records,
    > well.....whose fault is that?

The reason I don't have any earlier proof is because the documents prior
to 1998 were lost between health authorities when I moved residence in
the UK. In fact the only reason I have the papers I have is because I
personally requested them from the holding authority, something which I
should never have to do. In the circumstances, I don't think this can be
considered my fault.

    > I always make it a point to tell my clients well in advance to collect
    > their vaccination records from their doctors back home, long before
    > they will need to use those vaccination records when going through the
    > AOS process.

I have a full copy of all the vaccination records which are known to be
available. They show that I clearly meet the requirements actually
stipulated on the BCIS website:

}What are the vaccination requirements?
}
}You should have vaccinations for:
}
} * Mumps
} * Measles
} * Rubella
} * Polio
} * Tetanus
} * Diphtheria toxoids
} * Pertussis
} * Influenza type B
} * Hepatitis B

http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/...am.htm#whatare

Since the vaccination record I have clearly shows that I meet all of
those requirements, there should be no need for me to show that I also
met them *before* my most recent vaccinations.

    > If it were dangerous to be revaccinated with a particular vaccine
    > (within a certain time period from receiving the initial vaccination)
    > and you told the doctor you had recently been vaccinated, I would
    > assume the Doctor would waive that vaccination.

In theory if I'm vaccinated it wouldn't be dangerous. I just find it
objectionable that when there is clear evidence to show that it is not
required that a demand for a revaccination would still be made. I went
out of my way to meet those requirements specifically because I knew
before coming here that I didn't meet them.

    > Good luck.

Many thanks.

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Targaff

Targaff

kjdrga wrote in news:825544.1055338665
@britishexpats.com:

    >> I'm sorry, but requiring immigrants to have more injections
    >> than is ever required (sorry, "recommended") by a native citizen is just
    >> moronic.
    >
    > Every U.S. citizen receives these same vaccinations. They are usually
    > given in a person early childhood years. And college students these day
    > are required to have the MMR.

Furthermore, my point was that as the requirements state a single dose is
required, then asking for more than one for an immigrant still cannot be
justified. My point stands - please read the question.

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Targaff

Targaff

Targaff wrote in
news:[email protected]:

    > GRAR! How utterly pointless is this thing?

Anyhow, currently my intention is to return to the centre with evidence
from the BCIS/CDC to show that I do in fact meet the requirements of the
supplemental. If they still refuse I'll ask them to sign off as not meeting
the standards and present the evidence to the contrary at the AOS
interview. If they refuse even to do that (and they were last time I spoke
to them) I'll file a complaint that they're not following the guidelines
for completing the form. Sorry, but I'm sick of being pushed around.

AOS interview is next week. We'll see how it goes, I will of course post
back to the newsgroup. No doubt there's some who would prefer me not to get
it because I'm not pro-American or something, like *gasp* the last time I
posted a rant. Eh, shit, who cares - I only came here to be with the person
I love, and at the end of the day I can do that in any country as long as
we're together.

Right, other stuff.

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Targaff

kjdrga

So why are you complaining if there are similar standards and you did not have your immunization records? You think they would just take your word for it?

Stop sweating the small stuff and realize that you have a very long journey ahead of you....

MrsLondon

I have to agree with you Targaff. It is patronising in the extrenme to try and say people from the UK are gonna come over disease-ridden and infect the US populous. It seems to have escaped a lot of people's notice that a USC emigrating to the UK is not required to do all this medical shit! Millions of tourists on B visas or visa waiver visit the US every year. Couldn't they be carrying disease too? The BCIS would not dare demand their vaccination records because they know tourists would tell them to go %$*& themselves, but spouses of USC can be forced to do it because they have no choice!
Your fault if you have no vaccination records? I've had chicken pox, measles, german measles and mumps when I was a small child. I somehow doubt my medical records go back 30 years!
I agree 100% also that the UKs IND is extremely efficient compared to the BCIS. My hubby got his visas in the same day, no police cert needed, no medical, just proof of our marriage, my income and accomodation. Britain may not be perfect, and I would be the first to admit it, but it wins hands down in terms of fair treatment of it's citizens spouses.

Targaff

kjdrga wrote in news:827227.1055429978
@britishexpats.com:

    > So why are you complaining if there are similar standards and you did
    > not have your immunization records?

I'm complaining because knowing that I didn't have an adequate vaccination
record I went out of my way to ensure that I did have one and now I'm being
told that the clinic wont provide a completed I-693 because they don't have
proof of information which is no longer relevant or in fact indicative of
my current health record - something which I *did* provide to them.

    > You think they would just take your word for it?

No, I think they would take the evidence of the vaccination record I did
present to them at face value - the same vaccination record which was
perfectly adequate for proving my status for exactly the same vaccinations
at the K1 physical 9 months ago.

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Targaff

Targaff

MrsLondon wrote in news:827300.1055432554
@britishexpats.com:

    > I have to agree with you Targaff. It is patronising in the extrenme to
    > try and say people from the UK are gonna come over disease-ridden and
    > infect the US populous. It seems to have escaped a lot of people's
    > notice that a USC emigrating to the UK is not required to do all this
    > medical shit!

To be honest, this isn't necessarily where I'm coming from (although I
suppose it is what I'm saying in principle given that, as you state, the
reverse isn't true). My gripe isn't so much that I have to prove this as
someone from the UK - I figure all's fair and if everyone else has to do
it, regardless of the country, then so should I. What bothers me is that
I'm being asked to provide information which is (a) non-existent, through
no fault of my own, and (b) irrelevant in that I have documentation to
show that my vaccinations are up to date. This is particularly galling
when precisely the same requirements were met before I even entered the
country, on the basis of the same evidence, and *tada* I'm already here!
Hello!? If I was going to infect someone or was infected myself it's
already too late.

I presume soon I'll be asked to prove my immunity to monkeypox as well.

Still, the point does stand: a US spouse emigrating to the UK is only
required to fill in two forms, turn up at the embassy with their partner
and a couple of photos, pay the fee and come back in the afternoon -
astonishing the benefits of common sense.

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Targaff

meauxna

Not to interrupt your rant 'cause you're on a roll & all *but*....

Does this magic one day visa from a country a fraction the size of the US actually confer similar status in the UK? I thought it was a less permanent status than US Resident Alien & you have to apply for Perm. Leave to Remain once in the UK? I haven't really researched this, it's just the impression I have.

And the only reason for mentioning the fact that UK is smaller than US is re: volume of visa applicants. I don't think it's fair to compare the 2 systems as "the same".

We now return you to your regularly scheduled rant.