If the UK left the EU...
Nov 23rd 2013, 5:57 pm
#76
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Re: If the UK left the EU...
Economics is not the be all and end all of any argument.
Nov 23rd 2013, 6:37 pm
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Re: If the UK left the EU...
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...h-is-revealed/
Nov 23rd 2013, 7:00 pm
#78
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Re: If the UK left the EU...
Well it is if the argument is "immigrants are bleeding us dry" as it's quantifiably untrue.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...h-is-revealed/
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...h-is-revealed/
Regardless of any of that, even the politicians who instigated the massive, uncontrolled, surge in migration into the UK, now say it was a mistake.
So I'll stick with the line that economics isn't everything.
Nov 23rd 2013, 11:46 pm
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Re: If the UK left the EU...
Of course, any generalisation is flawed (it's always possible to find exceptions).
However, regarding the idea that Brits who are on the dole are "lazy", I think the problem is more to do with expectations of standard of living - the pay isn't worth getting out of bed for, so to speak.
When one reads the evidence about typical wages in many eastern European countries, it becomes clearer why an eastern European may take a low-paying job when the employer can't persuade British people to apply.
However, regarding the idea that Brits who are on the dole are "lazy", I think the problem is more to do with expectations of standard of living - the pay isn't worth getting out of bed for, so to speak.
When one reads the evidence about typical wages in many eastern European countries, it becomes clearer why an eastern European may take a low-paying job when the employer can't persuade British people to apply.
Nov 23rd 2013, 11:55 pm
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Re: If the UK left the EU...
What has changed in the UK is the concept of the minimum wage, or the living wage, which now exceeds the idea that it's enough to buy shelter, food and essential goods.
Nov 24th 2013, 4:10 am
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Re: If the UK left the EU...
People say the migrants from Mexico do jobs that Americans won't.
When the great wave of migrants came to the US from Europe after WWI, it was the same.
A Daily Mail mindset - a mindset of fear of "them" - can be gotten by people who don't care to remember history. It can be promoted by a government who finds populism easier than humanism.
Unfortunately, that too - is the way of the world. As history also shows. It is easier to break a people when they are already divided.
Nov 24th 2013, 5:08 am
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Re: If the UK left the EU...
But that is not new either. It is the same in the US. Society has evolved - people want more and they can get it.
People say the migrants from Mexico do jobs that Americans won't.
When the great wave of migrants came to the US from Europe after WWI, it was the same.
A Daily Mail mindset - a mindset of fear of "them" - can be gotten by people who don't care to remember history. It can be promoted by a government who finds populism easier than humanism.
Unfortunately, that too - is the way of the world. As history also shows. It is easier to break a people when they are already divided.
People say the migrants from Mexico do jobs that Americans won't.
When the great wave of migrants came to the US from Europe after WWI, it was the same.
A Daily Mail mindset - a mindset of fear of "them" - can be gotten by people who don't care to remember history. It can be promoted by a government who finds populism easier than humanism.
Unfortunately, that too - is the way of the world. As history also shows. It is easier to break a people when they are already divided.
A couple of basic questions.
Did the UK need millions of additional people?
Has the influx been to the benefit of the UK population?
If the answer is no, to either of them, you have to ask why it was allowed to happen.
Perhaps the Labour party really did engineer the population simply to suit their own political ends.
Nov 24th 2013, 6:52 am
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Re: If the UK left the EU...
A couple of basic questions.
Did the UK need millions of additional people?
Has the influx been to the benefit of the UK population?
If the answer is no, to either of them, you have to ask why it was allowed to happen.
Perhaps the Labour party really did engineer the population simply to suit their own political ends.
Did the UK need millions of additional people?
Has the influx been to the benefit of the UK population?
If the answer is no, to either of them, you have to ask why it was allowed to happen.
Perhaps the Labour party really did engineer the population simply to suit their own political ends.
We don't need more we don't have the fking space and yet Cameron bows to EU people.... like seriously what is the penalty of treason? why is this man allowed to be PM of all empty promises and lies...
DAVID CAMERON - EXPECTS EVERYTHING - RETURNS NOTHING
He is such a traitor and gets away with it.....
2015 he is out
If only nigel farage can be PM the UK WOULD BE BACK.
Nov 24th 2013, 11:53 am
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Re: If the UK left the EU...
But that is not new either. It is the same in the US. Society has evolved - people want more and they can get it.
People say the migrants from Mexico do jobs that Americans won't.
When the great wave of migrants came to the US from Europe after WWI, it was the same.
A Daily Mail mindset - a mindset of fear of "them" - can be gotten by people who don't care to remember history. It can be promoted by a government who finds populism easier than humanism.
Unfortunately, that too - is the way of the world. As history also shows. It is easier to break a people when they are already divided.
People say the migrants from Mexico do jobs that Americans won't.
When the great wave of migrants came to the US from Europe after WWI, it was the same.
A Daily Mail mindset - a mindset of fear of "them" - can be gotten by people who don't care to remember history. It can be promoted by a government who finds populism easier than humanism.
Unfortunately, that too - is the way of the world. As history also shows. It is easier to break a people when they are already divided.
Nov 24th 2013, 11:54 am
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Re: If the UK left the EU...
You know why it's allowed to happen... Blair/Brown/Cameron... ALL WEAK PATHETIC leaders..
We don't need more we don't have the fking space and yet Cameron bows to EU people.... like seriously what is the penalty of treason? why is this man allowed to be PM of all empty promises and lies...
DAVID CAMERON - EXPECTS EVERYTHING - RETURNS NOTHING
He is such a traitor and gets away with it.....
2015 he is out
If only nigel farage can be PM the UK WOULD BE BACK.
We don't need more we don't have the fking space and yet Cameron bows to EU people.... like seriously what is the penalty of treason? why is this man allowed to be PM of all empty promises and lies...
DAVID CAMERON - EXPECTS EVERYTHING - RETURNS NOTHING
He is such a traitor and gets away with it.....
2015 he is out
If only nigel farage can be PM the UK WOULD BE BACK.
Nov 24th 2013, 12:20 pm
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Re: If the UK left the EU...
I have no real problem with Cameron, if it was a choice between him and No Policies Farrage I dont think your hero would get a look in
Nov 24th 2013, 12:50 pm
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