Help moving back to the UK but not Bristish...
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Help moving back to the UK but not Bristish...
Hope someone can help with this. I am an Australian passport holder and need to move back to the UK. My ex wife moved the children over there and is now being difficult with contact. I had an Indefinite Leave to Enter visa but I have was out of the UK for more than 2 years so I believe it is now invalid (mainly due to my late mother being ill). I have a UK court order for contact with the children and have travelled regualarly to the UK to see them (except for the 2 years when I initially returned to Oz). I am planning on a quick trip to visit the home office in 3 weeks time to see if they can help. The children have been back for 4 years (we see each other at least 4 times a year) and I didn't return with them due to economic issues.
Any experiences or help is really appreciated.
Any experiences or help is really appreciated.
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Re: Help moving back to the UK but not Bristish...
There is a section of the new appendix FM which may cover you:
See: http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/po...e-as-a-parent/
I thought there was something elsewhere in the rules for "exercising access rights to a child in the UK" as well - possibly in the visit section, not sure. Are you wanting to settle in the UK or visit regularly?
You may well find the ECO questions point (b) in the above rules. Right now it seems they are simply intending to drive down net migration - so refuse as many visas as possible and encourage as many Brits to leave as possible.
Relationship requirements
E-ECPT.2.1. The applicant must be aged 18 years or over.
E-ECPT.2.2. The child of the applicant must be-
(a) under the age of 18 years at the date of application;
(b) living in the UK; and
(c) a British Citizen or settled in the UK.
E-ECPT.2.3. Either -
(a) the applicant must have sole parental responsibility for the child; or
(b) the parent or carer with whom the child normally lives must be-
(i) a British Citizen in the UK or settled in the UK;
(ii) not the partner of the applicant; and
(iii) the applicant must not be eligible to apply for entry clearance as a partner under this Appendix.
E-ECPT.2.4. (a) The applicant must provide evidence that they have either-
(i) sole parental responsibility for the child; or
(ii) access rights to the child; and
(b) The applicant must provide evidence that they are taking, and intend to continue to take, an active role in the child's upbringing.
E-ECPT.2.1. The applicant must be aged 18 years or over.
E-ECPT.2.2. The child of the applicant must be-
(a) under the age of 18 years at the date of application;
(b) living in the UK; and
(c) a British Citizen or settled in the UK.
E-ECPT.2.3. Either -
(a) the applicant must have sole parental responsibility for the child; or
(b) the parent or carer with whom the child normally lives must be-
(i) a British Citizen in the UK or settled in the UK;
(ii) not the partner of the applicant; and
(iii) the applicant must not be eligible to apply for entry clearance as a partner under this Appendix.
E-ECPT.2.4. (a) The applicant must provide evidence that they have either-
(i) sole parental responsibility for the child; or
(ii) access rights to the child; and
(b) The applicant must provide evidence that they are taking, and intend to continue to take, an active role in the child's upbringing.
I thought there was something elsewhere in the rules for "exercising access rights to a child in the UK" as well - possibly in the visit section, not sure. Are you wanting to settle in the UK or visit regularly?
You may well find the ECO questions point (b) in the above rules. Right now it seems they are simply intending to drive down net migration - so refuse as many visas as possible and encourage as many Brits to leave as possible.
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Re: Help moving back to the UK but not Bristish...
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/vi...ing-residents/
I would apply for a visa to go back as a Returning Resident. Even though it's been more than two years since you last resided in the UK you can still return so long as you can demonstrate strong family ties. If your ex-wife and children are there and you have been maintaining regular contact, as demonstrated by your visits to see them, and as you have compassionate reasons as to why you left the UK then there's a good chance you'll be eligible. Make sure you explain the circumstances surrounding your departure and your reasons for wanting to return and try and back this up with supporting documentation. The stronger the case you can present the more likely an ECO will be willing to grant your visa.
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/po.../ecg/set/set9/
"SET9.5 Exception to the two year rule for those who have strong ties to the UK
Paragraph 19 of the Rules provides for persons who have ties with the country which merit admission even if they have not been resident in the UK for two years.
The ECO should consider the following factors in assessing whether strong ties exist:
- the length of the original residence in the UK;
- the time the applicant has been outside the UK;
- the reason for the delay beyond the 2 years - was it through their own wish or no fault of their own (for example, having to care for a sick or elderly relative)?;
- the reasons for leaving the UK and for now wishing to return;
- the nature of the family ties in the UK;
- how close are they and to what extent have they been maintained during the absence?;
- do they have a home in the UK and, if admitted, would they remain and live there?
The longer a person has remained outside the UK (over 2 years), the more difficult it will be for them to qualify for admission under this provision. The longer the previous residence in the UK, the stronger the case for consideration, provided that there had not been a break in residence which extended over a number of years."
I would apply for a visa to go back as a Returning Resident. Even though it's been more than two years since you last resided in the UK you can still return so long as you can demonstrate strong family ties. If your ex-wife and children are there and you have been maintaining regular contact, as demonstrated by your visits to see them, and as you have compassionate reasons as to why you left the UK then there's a good chance you'll be eligible. Make sure you explain the circumstances surrounding your departure and your reasons for wanting to return and try and back this up with supporting documentation. The stronger the case you can present the more likely an ECO will be willing to grant your visa.
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/po.../ecg/set/set9/
"SET9.5 Exception to the two year rule for those who have strong ties to the UK
Paragraph 19 of the Rules provides for persons who have ties with the country which merit admission even if they have not been resident in the UK for two years.
The ECO should consider the following factors in assessing whether strong ties exist:
- the length of the original residence in the UK;
- the time the applicant has been outside the UK;
- the reason for the delay beyond the 2 years - was it through their own wish or no fault of their own (for example, having to care for a sick or elderly relative)?;
- the reasons for leaving the UK and for now wishing to return;
- the nature of the family ties in the UK;
- how close are they and to what extent have they been maintained during the absence?;
- do they have a home in the UK and, if admitted, would they remain and live there?
The longer a person has remained outside the UK (over 2 years), the more difficult it will be for them to qualify for admission under this provision. The longer the previous residence in the UK, the stronger the case for consideration, provided that there had not been a break in residence which extended over a number of years."
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Re: Help moving back to the UK but not Bristish...
Not entirely clear how long you have been out of the UK, looks like 4 years may be hard to show the ECO that you meet the Returning resident but sounds like you meet the requirements access to a child if you have a UK court order:
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/po...ecg/vat/vat23/
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/po...ecg/vat/vat23/
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Re: Help moving back to the UK but not Bristish...
Not entirely clear how long you have been out of the UK, looks like 4 years may be hard to show the ECO that you meet the Returning resident but sounds like you meet the requirements access to a child if you have a UK court order:
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/po...ecg/vat/vat23/
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/po...ecg/vat/vat23/
A246. Paragraphs 246 to 248F apply only to a person who has made an application before 9 July 2012 for leave to enter or remain or indefinite leave to remain as a person exercising rights of access to a child resident in the UK, or who before 9 July 2012 has been granted leave to enter or remain as a person exercising rights of access to a child resident in the UK
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Re: Help moving back to the UK but not Bristish...
Thanks all for your help. I lived in th UK for 17 years and have been back for 9 years now. I have travelled back and forth for 4 years but as a visitor. I hope to get a returning residence visa and my fingers are crossed. I am travelling back to london in 2 weeks to explore the possibilities. I will let you know what happens.
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Re: Help moving back to the UK but not Bristish...
Thanks all for your help. I lived in th UK for 17 years and have been back for 9 years now. I have travelled back and forth for 4 years but as a visitor. I hope to get a returning residence visa and my fingers are crossed. I am travelling back to london in 2 weeks to explore the possibilities. I will let you know what happens.
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Re: Help moving back to the UK but not Bristish...
Thanks Spouse of Scouse. Unfortunately I have italian grandparents. This could be a line of enquiry if all else fails which I didnt even think about..
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Re: Help moving back to the UK but not Bristish...
You'll need to find out whether your grandparents naturalised as Australian citizens before or after your father or mother (their child) was born. If it was after then you should definitely look into getting an Italian passport as that would solve your problem in one fell swoop.
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Re: Help moving back to the UK but not Bristish...
Thanks brit in paris. Only one grandparent would have been naturalised in oz and I think it was after I was born. The other 3 remained in Italy. I will follow this up. Thank you all for your help