FLR(M) - Savings Category D & Monthly Costs Question
I'm completing the application form for my Wife's FLR(M). We're applying via Category D, Savings Route, in excess of the minimum £62.5k and should not need to provide anything regarding monthly costs.
However, after completing the previous question about cash savings, the amount, and other details, the next page is asking:- HOME DETAILS Do you own or rent your home? Answer: OWN Mortgage Payments: £0.00 Then there are two tick boxes as attached. One for monthly housing costs and the other for council tax costs. Rather confused here. Do we leave the first box unticked and only tick the second box to show understanding, as it mentions? Many thanks, MP https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...da94f62ae3.png https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...64c1aee0ca.png |
Re: FLR(M) - Savings Category D & Monthly Costs Question
You do not need to provide anything for this question.
As the form says "you only need to provide this information is you are exempt from meeting the income threshhold" YOU are applying under Cat D- Savings. It's is very badly worded |
Re: FLR(M) - Savings Category D & Monthly Costs Question
Originally Posted by SanDiegogirl
(Post 12869269)
You do not need to provide anything for this question.
As the form says "you only need to provide this information is you are exempt from meeting the income threshhold" YOU are applying under Cat D- Savings. It's is very badly worded It's horrendous, isn't it. Feels more difficult than entry clearance sometimes :banghead: |
Re: FLR(M) - Savings Category D & Monthly Costs Question
Correct, do not tick the second box either.
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Re: FLR(M) - Savings Category D & Monthly Costs Question
Thank you so much! :drinkingbeer:
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Re: FLR(M) - Savings Category D & Monthly Costs Question
Sorry to thread hijack -- I didn't want to open a variation on the same question
We're in a very similar situation (category D application, cash savings only route for the maintenance requirement), except we rent rather than own. Am I right in thinking that we should not only avoid ticking both boxes here, but also not add details as to whether we rent or own, and the monthly expense? Or should we choose the appropriate rent/own and monthly cost, but NOT check the boxes? Sorry for being a bit dim. I'm second-guessing every step! |
Re: FLR(M) - Savings Category D & Monthly Costs Question
Originally Posted by smashcut
(Post 12907906)
Sorry to thread hijack -- I didn't want to open a variation on the same question
We're in a very similar situation (category D application, cash savings only route for the maintenance requirement), except we rent rather than own. Am I right in thinking that we should not only avoid ticking both boxes here, but also not add details as to whether we rent or own, and the monthly expense? Or should we choose the appropriate rent/own and monthly cost, but NOT check the boxes? Sorry for being a bit dim. I'm second-guessing every step! Question: If sponsor lives in a council housing with enough rooms (is council housing a form of public recourse?) does your application get denied? |
Re: FLR(M) - Savings Category D & Monthly Costs Question
Redsoxfan could be -- it feels like the form changes according to previous responses given? For what it's worth, this question appears for me in the 'Finance' section, directly after providing details of the bank account and checking the boxes to confirm that we'll provide bank statements and a declaration of the source of the savings.
I'm not sure why I'm getting this question if it doesn't apply, but it could be to cover cases where someone is using cash savings and is also exempt if that's a thing :confused: It does look like these questions should apply to people who fall under the provisions of Appendix FM-SE paragraph 12, which begins: 12. Where a person is in receipt of Carer’s Allowance, Disability Living Allowance, Severe Disablement Allowance, Industrial Injuries Disablement Benefit, Attendance Allowance or Personal Independence Payment or Armed Forces Independence Payment or Guaranteed Income Payment under the Armed Forces Compensation Scheme or Constant Attendance Allowance, Mobility Supplement or War Disablement Pension under the War Pensions Scheme, or a Police Injury Pension, all the following must be provided: Further down in 12A, though, I see:
I'm not sure why this is being surfaced for us given the form seems to skip most parts not needed based on previous answers and we've given no indication of falling under paragraph 12. The bullet points are equally confusing. While it says:
In our case, my wife is the applicant and is listed on the council tax bill, so the second bullet applies, but the first doesn't (she isn't exempt from meeting the income threshold). Presumably, we need to respond to the first question as to whether we rent or own and what that costs us (doesn't seem to be a way past it), but going by SanDiegogirl 's reply upstream, can safely ignore both check boxes which follow. |
Re: FLR(M) - Savings Category D & Monthly Costs Question
Originally Posted by smashcut
(Post 12908732)
Redsoxfan could be -- it feels like the form changes according to previous responses given? For what it's worth, this question appears for me in the 'Finance' section, directly after providing details of the bank account and checking the boxes to confirm that we'll provide bank statements and a declaration of the source of the savings.
I'm not sure why I'm getting this question if it doesn't apply, but it could be to cover cases where someone is using cash savings and is also exempt if that's a thing :confused: It does look like these questions should apply to people who fall under the provisions of Appendix FM-SE paragraph 12, which begins: That doesn't apply to us, as we're using Category D cash savings only and don't fall under any of these categories of applicant. Further down in 12A, though, I see: Presumably, that's nested under 12 for a reason and only applies to those that described in paragraph 12? I'm not sure why this is being surfaced for us given the form seems to skip most parts not needed based on previous answers and we've given no indication of falling under paragraph 12. The bullet points are equally confusing. While it says: That's directly followed by: It's hard to know if there's an implied AND or an OR between those bullet points. Adding one or the other would be very helpful! In our case, my wife is the applicant and is listed on the council tax bill, so the second bullet applies, but the first doesn't (she isn't exempt from meeting the income threshold). Presumably, we need to respond to the first question as to whether we rent or own and what that costs us (doesn't seem to be a way past it), but going by SanDiegogirl 's reply upstream, can safely ignore both check boxes which follow. |
Re: FLR(M) - Savings Category D & Monthly Costs Question
I can understand your confusion, when applying under savings, as to why this question of council tax and monthly housing costs should come up.
I don't remember these type of questions coming up by applicants when the hard copy form used to be completed. As said by one of the respondents on this thread, the online form appears to ask questions based on your previous answers. However, this type of question is usually asked where an applicant is applying under Adequate Maintenance and is exempt from the financial requirements. In their case the sponsor needs to prove they have adequate income (including their benefits) to support the applicant, and in that situation they have to show housing costs The original OP of this thread gave a screen shot of the question and based on the statement :"You will only need to provide this evidence if you are exempt from meeting the financial threshold" I still think you do not need to complete this section. |
Re: FLR(M) - Savings Category D & Monthly Costs Question
Originally Posted by SanDiegogirl
(Post 12908934)
I can understand your confusion, when applying under savings, as to why this question of council tax and monthly housing costs should come up.
I don't remember these type of questions coming up by applicants when the hard copy form used to be completed. As said by one of the respondents on this thread, the online form appears to ask questions based on your previous answers. However, this type of question is usually asked where an applicant is applying under Adequate Maintenance and is exempt from the financial requirements. In their case the sponsor needs to prove they have adequate income (including their benefits) to support the applicant, and in that situation they have to show housing costs The original OP of this thread gave a screen shot of the question and based on the statement :"You will only need to provide this evidence if you are exempt from meeting the financial threshold" I still think you do not need to complete this section. OP, it sounds like a bit of a nightmare! While I can't help with the online form as I haven't seen it, just be careful that you're not confusing 'maintenance requirement', which doesn't apply to you, with the 'financial requirement', which is what you're meeting with category D cash savings. As SDG has said, the maintenance requirement/adequate maintenance is only for people who are exempt from the 'normal' financial requirement - this is usually people receiving income support, and although they are exempt from the usual financial requirement rules they still need to show that they have enough income to meet their needs, hence the questions about housing and other costs. |
Re: FLR(M) - Savings Category D & Monthly Costs Question
I'm not the OP (sorry for thread highjacking!), but appreciate everyone who's weighed in here -- thank you!
For whatever reason, despite previous answers only indicating that we intend to use cash savings (and nothing to say we are exempt from the income requirement) I'm forced to fill in the rent/own part of the form originally shared by the OP, which now sits under the 'finance' section of the online form. There's no longer any mention of maintenance or financial requirement (but I was definitely mixing the two up!), you just get served questions by whatever the branching/algorithm 'decides' comes next. As there's no way to progress past this step I think we'll have to enter the 'rent' and leave the boxes unchecked. I'm considering starting over in case that resets anything, but going by confusion elsewhere around the same situation, maybe they've started asking this by default for Category D by design and because of some glitch. |
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