Oliver Costich

On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 09:24:28 -0700, Graphic Queen
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 09:53:50 -0500, Oliver Costich
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>On 8 Mar 2004 14:25:44 -0800, [email protected] (Amanda) wrote:
    >>>Graphic Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    >>><snip>
    >>>> >
    >>>> If they are immigrating to and English speaking country then maube
    >>>> they should wait until they can actually speak and understand the
    >>>> language.
    >>>What is your problem? They are elderly and their son/daughter will
    >>>betaking care of them, i.e and will not be working. Can you get that
    >>>into your forhead? Have a heart. Wait till you get to be elderly and
    >>>see how does it feel to be alone?
    >>What's elderly got to do with it? And how do you know who will be
    >>taking care of them? Many elderly who come with pledges of support
    >>become recipients of public aid because those who promised to support
    >>them don't do it.
    >She doesn't of course. It will be the taxpayers taking care of yet
    >another person who can't speak the language and never did an ounce of
    >work in this country and will take from the SSI and deplete it even
    >more. Won't that be wonderful. Learn the language or stay the hell
    >put.
    >GQ


Why is learning the language the issue? How about just stay out if you
can't afford to take care of yourself.

Amanda

Patent Attorney <member19562@british_expats.com> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Amanda,
    > I sympathize very much with the problems you are facing. It is
    > very hard dealing with parents that have needs and who are located in
    > one's home country.

I guess you read about my Mom in another thread.

My Mom had good English skill. Her memory loss issue became an issue
only after she left US. In a way, it's a blessing because it's better
for her to be there than here. She did NOT want to live here but only
because most of her children were here espcially because of the
youngest 3 of us were here that she was hanging around here. You
know..they get lonely at old age with most of their friends aleady
passed away.

Now..she doesn't remember that she was applying for greencard.

    >
    > On the language point, there is a good chance
    > your parents will be excused from the language, oral and knowledge test
    > on grounds of their age. I know my mother (who is now with me, I
    > sponsored her for a green card) is exempt from the knowledge test on
    > grounds of age. Actually, my mum is bright as a button and does
    > difficult crosswords at the drop of a hat so would like to be tested!
    > But I am glad that she will be exempt because her blood pressure can get
    > very high, particularly if she is stressed.
    >
    > Try and talk to an
    > immigration lawyer or someone who can give specific knowledgeable
    > advice. Perhaps if you address a question to Sylvia Ottemoeller she
    > might be able to give some guidance. Good luck! Drop me mail or a PM
    > if you like.
    >
    > Originally posted by Amanda
    > > Graphic
    > Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]>. ..
    > >
    > > <snip>
    > > >
    >
    > > > If they are immigrating to and English speaking country
    > then maube
    > > > they should wait until they can actually speak
    > and understand the
    > > > language.
    > >
    > > What is your
    > problem? They are elderly and their son/daughter will
    > > betaking care
    > of them, i.e and will not be working. Can you get that
    > > into your
    > forhead? Have a heart. Wait till you get to be elderly and
    > > see how
    > does it feel to be alone?
    > >
    > > >
    > > GQ

Amanda

Graphic Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    > On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:14:23 +0000, Patent Attorney
    > <member19562@british_expats.com> wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >Amanda,
    > >I sympathize very much with the problems you are facing. It is
    > >very hard dealing with parents that have needs and who are located in
    > >one's home country.
    > >
    > >On the language point, there is a good chance
    > >your parents will be excused from the language, oral and knowledge test
    > >on grounds of their age. I know my mother (who is now with me, I
    > >sponsored her for a green card) is exempt from the knowledge test on
    > >grounds of age. Actually, my mum is bright as a button and does
    > >difficult crosswords at the drop of a hat so would like to be tested!
    > >But I am glad that she will be exempt because her blood pressure can get
    > >very high, particularly if she is stressed.
    >
    > Yep, and then all of us taxpayers can take care of them and have to
    > have some person who speaks their language. Just great. NOT!!!!


Shut UP. I told you that my sister pays more tax than you ever will.
That's just one child of that woman (my mom). You got so much tax
from children she raised and rasied well, you idiot.


    > >Try and talk to an
    > >immigration lawyer or someone who can give specific knowledgeable
    > >advice. Perhaps if you address a question to Sylvia Ottemoeller she
    > >might be able to give some guidance. Good luck! Drop me mail or a PM
    > >if you like.
    > >
    > >Originally posted by Amanda
    > >> Graphic
    > >Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >news:<[email protected]> ...
    > >>
    > >> <snip>
    > >> >
    >
    > >> > If they are immigrating to and English speaking country
    > then maube
    > >> > they should wait until they can actually speak
    > and understand the
    > >> > language.
    > >>
    > >> What is your
    > problem? They are elderly and their son/daughter will
    > >> betaking care
    > of them, i.e and will not be working. Can you get that
    > >> into your
    > forhead? Have a heart. Wait till you get to be elderly and
    > >> see how
    > does it feel to be alone?
    > >>
    > >> >
    > >> GQ

Graphic Queen

On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 12:08:37 -0500, Oliver Costich
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 09:24:28 -0700, Graphic Queen
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 09:53:50 -0500, Oliver Costich
    >><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>On 8 Mar 2004 14:25:44 -0800, [email protected] (Amanda) wrote:
    >>>>Graphic Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    >>>><snip>
    >>>>> >
    >>>>> If they are immigrating to and English speaking country then maube
    >>>>> they should wait until they can actually speak and understand the
    >>>>> language.
    >>>>What is your problem? They are elderly and their son/daughter will
    >>>>betaking care of them, i.e and will not be working. Can you get that
    >>>>into your forhead? Have a heart. Wait till you get to be elderly and
    >>>>see how does it feel to be alone?
    >>>What's elderly got to do with it? And how do you know who will be
    >>>taking care of them? Many elderly who come with pledges of support
    >>>become recipients of public aid because those who promised to support
    >>>them don't do it.
    >>She doesn't of course. It will be the taxpayers taking care of yet
    >>another person who can't speak the language and never did an ounce of
    >>work in this country and will take from the SSI and deplete it even
    >>more. Won't that be wonderful. Learn the language or stay the hell
    >>put.
    >>GQ
    >Why is learning the language the issue? How about just stay out if you
    >can't afford to take care of yourself.

I agree with that also.

Graphic Queen

On 9 Mar 2004 11:26:28 -0800, [email protected] (Amanda) wrote:

    >Graphic Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    >> On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:14:23 +0000, Patent Attorney
    >> <member19562@british_expats.com> wrote:
    >>
    >> >
    >> >Amanda,
    >> >I sympathize very much with the problems you are facing. It is
    >> >very hard dealing with parents that have needs and who are located in
    >> >one's home country.
    >> >
    >> >On the language point, there is a good chance
    >> >your parents will be excused from the language, oral and knowledge test
    >> >on grounds of their age. I know my mother (who is now with me, I
    >> >sponsored her for a green card) is exempt from the knowledge test on
    >> >grounds of age. Actually, my mum is bright as a button and does
    >> >difficult crosswords at the drop of a hat so would like to be tested!
    >> >But I am glad that she will be exempt because her blood pressure can get
    >> >very high, particularly if she is stressed.
    >>
    >> Yep, and then all of us taxpayers can take care of them and have to
    >> have some person who speaks their language. Just great. NOT!!!!
    >Shut UP. I told you that my sister pays more tax than you ever will.
    >That's just one child of that woman (my mom). You got so much tax
    >from children she raised and rasied well, you idiot.

I doubt that but you can think what you will. Still, your mother has
no right to come to this country and then expect this country to take
care of her. Pay for her care yourself or shut up.

GQ
    >> >Try and talk to an
    >> >immigration lawyer or someone who can give specific knowledgeable
    >> >advice. Perhaps if you address a question to Sylvia Ottemoeller she
    >> >might be able to give some guidance. Good luck! Drop me mail or a PM
    >> >if you like.
    >> >
    >> >Originally posted by Amanda
    >> >> Graphic
    >> >Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> >news:<[email protected]> ...
    >> >>
    >> >> <snip>
    >> >> >
    >>
    >> >> > If they are immigrating to and English speaking country
    >> then maube
    >> >> > they should wait until they can actually speak
    >> and understand the
    >> >> > language.
    >> >>
    >> >> What is your
    >> problem? They are elderly and their son/daughter will
    >> >> betaking care
    >> of them, i.e and will not be working. Can you get that
    >> >> into your
    >> forhead? Have a heart. Wait till you get to be elderly and
    >> >> see how
    >> does it feel to be alone?
    >> >>
    >> >> >
    >> >> GQ

lairdside

Personally if even if your parents had reasonable English language skills I would shell out for the translator.

Are they living in Finland or Estonia btw?

This is my reasoning:

One of my best friends is Russian, from Krasnoyarsk in Sibera. Her English language skills are EXCELLENT. She graduated with an English degree in Russia.

Her immigration attorney has advised her to have a translator for her interview here in the US with the USCIS. Actually the attorney, who is Russian, will also be the translator.

This is because if English is not someone's native language, even if they speak it very well, there can be "pauses" in their responses which can be misinterpreted by the interviewer as time taken to fabricate an answer when in fact the respondent is just trying to figure out what the question means!

WRT advice given to ask Sylvia, I'm not sure how much she would be able to advise you in this area. She is not an immigration attorney but a student immigration advisor for a College here in the US, abeit a knowledgeable one, and this strikes me as not being particularly within her remit? There are a couple of immigration attorneys who post on the marriage based forum but they do not like people to post to them directly.

You could try posting and see if either of them respond though

Good luck.

Amanda

Graphic Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    > On 9 Mar 2004 11:26:28 -0800, [email protected] (Amanda) wrote:
    >
    > >Graphic Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    > >> On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:14:23 +0000, Patent Attorney
    > >> <member19562@british_expats.com> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >
    > >> >Amanda,
    > >> >I sympathize very much with the problems you are facing. It is
    > >> >very hard dealing with parents that have needs and who are located in
    > >> >one's home country.
    > >> >
    > >> >On the language point, there is a good chance
    > >> >your parents will be excused from the language, oral and knowledge test
    > >> >on grounds of their age. I know my mother (who is now with me, I
    > >> >sponsored her for a green card) is exempt from the knowledge test on
    > >> >grounds of age. Actually, my mum is bright as a button and does
    > >> >difficult crosswords at the drop of a hat so would like to be tested!
    > >> >But I am glad that she will be exempt because her blood pressure can get
    > >> >very high, particularly if she is stressed.
    > >>
    > >> Yep, and then all of us taxpayers can take care of them and have to
    > >> have some person who speaks their language. Just great. NOT!!!!
    > >
    > >
    > >Shut UP. I told you that my sister pays more tax than you ever will.
    > >That's just one child of that woman (my mom). You got so much tax
    > >from children she raised and rasied well, you idiot.
    >
    > I doubt that

You can doubt what you will..


    >but you can think what you will. Still, your mother has
    > no right to come to this country and then expect this country to take
    > care of her. Pay for her care yourself or shut up.

If my mother wanted to benefit from US system, she would have come
here long time ago, or even stayed here till she got greencard when
she visited US for the first time in 1985 - my sister already had a
greencard by then.

You judge people with your *LOW* standard of mind.

BTW, we don't believe in pumping pills to prolong life, leaving a
parent alone in the nursing home. Beside, my mother's is quite healthy
except in memory loss problem and your healthcare can't do anything
about it either. In fact, I believed that it's her last stay here -
she stayed here almost a year because all her youngest were here by
then - that caused deterioration of her health as she was unhappy.

Now..go find a job and pay some tax..



    >
    > GQ
    > >
    > >
    > >> >Try and talk to an
    > >> >immigration lawyer or someone who can give specific knowledgeable
    > >> >advice. Perhaps if you address a question to Sylvia Ottemoeller she
    > >> >might be able to give some guidance. Good luck! Drop me mail or a PM
    > >> >if you like.
    > >> >
    > >> >Originally posted by Amanda
    > >> >> Graphic
    > >> >Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >> >news:<[email protected]> ...
    > >> >>
    > >> >> <snip>
    > >> >> >
    >
    > >> >> > If they are immigrating to and English speaking country
    > then maube
    > >> >> > they should wait until they can actually speak
    > and understand the
    > >> >> > language.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> What is your
    > problem? They are elderly and their son/daughter will
    > >> >> betaking care
    > of them, i.e and will not be working. Can you get that
    > >> >> into your
    > forhead? Have a heart. Wait till you get to be elderly and
    > >> >> see how
    > does it feel to be alone?
    > >> >>
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> GQ

Oliver Costich

On 9 Mar 2004 11:26:28 -0800, [email protected] (Amanda) wrote:

    >Graphic Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    >> On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:14:23 +0000, Patent Attorney
    >> <member19562@british_expats.com> wrote:
    >>
    >> >
    >> >Amanda,
    >> >I sympathize very much with the problems you are facing. It is
    >> >very hard dealing with parents that have needs and who are located in
    >> >one's home country.
    >> >
    >> >On the language point, there is a good chance
    >> >your parents will be excused from the language, oral and knowledge test
    >> >on grounds of their age. I know my mother (who is now with me, I
    >> >sponsored her for a green card) is exempt from the knowledge test on
    >> >grounds of age. Actually, my mum is bright as a button and does
    >> >difficult crosswords at the drop of a hat so would like to be tested!
    >> >But I am glad that she will be exempt because her blood pressure can get
    >> >very high, particularly if she is stressed.
    >>
    >> Yep, and then all of us taxpayers can take care of them and have to
    >> have some person who speaks their language. Just great. NOT!!!!
    >Shut UP. I told you that my sister pays more tax than you ever will.
    >That's just one child of that woman (my mom). You got so much tax
    >from children she raised and rasied well, you idiot.

"Shut up"? What a brilliant rebuttal. And since more than 99% of
taxpayers pay less than I do, I doubt your sister pays more. And the
kids pay taxes? So breeders get more benefits?

I notice you don't say anywhere that these elderly will not take from
Social Security.
    >> >Try and talk to an
    >> >immigration lawyer or someone who can give specific knowledgeable
    >> >advice. Perhaps if you address a question to Sylvia Ottemoeller she
    >> >might be able to give some guidance. Good luck! Drop me mail or a PM
    >> >if you like.
    >> >
    >> >Originally posted by Amanda
    >> >> Graphic
    >> >Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> >news:<[email protected]> ...
    >> >>
    >> >> <snip>
    >> >> >
    >>
    >> >> > If they are immigrating to and English speaking country
    >> then maube
    >> >> > they should wait until they can actually speak
    >> and understand the
    >> >> > language.
    >> >>
    >> >> What is your
    >> problem? They are elderly and their son/daughter will
    >> >> betaking care
    >> of them, i.e and will not be working. Can you get that
    >> >> into your
    >> forhead? Have a heart. Wait till you get to be elderly and
    >> >> see how
    >> does it feel to be alone?
    >> >>
    >> >> >
    >> >> GQ

Graphic Queen

On 10 Mar 2004 08:18:21 -0800, [email protected] (Amanda) wrote:

    >Graphic Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    >> On 9 Mar 2004 11:26:28 -0800, [email protected] (Amanda) wrote:
    >>
    >> >Graphic Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    >> >> On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:14:23 +0000, Patent Attorney
    >> >> <member19562@british_expats.com> wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> >
    >> >> >Amanda,
    >> >> >I sympathize very much with the problems you are facing. It is
    >> >> >very hard dealing with parents that have needs and who are located in
    >> >> >one's home country.
    >> >> >
    >> >> >On the language point, there is a good chance
    >> >> >your parents will be excused from the language, oral and knowledge test
    >> >> >on grounds of their age. I know my mother (who is now with me, I
    >> >> >sponsored her for a green card) is exempt from the knowledge test on
    >> >> >grounds of age. Actually, my mum is bright as a button and does
    >> >> >difficult crosswords at the drop of a hat so would like to be tested!
    >> >> >But I am glad that she will be exempt because her blood pressure can get
    >> >> >very high, particularly if she is stressed.
    >> >>
    >> >> Yep, and then all of us taxpayers can take care of them and have to
    >> >> have some person who speaks their language. Just great. NOT!!!!
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >Shut UP. I told you that my sister pays more tax than you ever will.
    >> >That's just one child of that woman (my mom). You got so much tax
    >> >from children she raised and rasied well, you idiot.
    >>
    >> I doubt that
    >You can doubt what you will..
    >>but you can think what you will. Still, your mother has
    >> no right to come to this country and then expect this country to take
    >> care of her. Pay for her care yourself or shut up.
    >If my mother wanted to benefit from US system, she would have come
    >here long time ago, or even stayed here till she got greencard when
    >she visited US for the first time in 1985 - my sister already had a
    >greencard by then.
    >You judge people with your *LOW* standard of mind.
    >BTW, we don't believe in pumping pills to prolong life, leaving a
    >parent alone in the nursing home. Beside, my mother's is quite healthy
    >except in memory loss problem and your healthcare can't do anything
    >about it either. In fact, I believed that it's her last stay here -
    >she stayed here almost a year because all her youngest were here by
    >then - that caused deterioration of her health as she was unhappy.
    >Now..go find a job and pay some tax..

hahahahaha You are too funny. I have worked my whole life and now
coolect ssdi because I am elegible because I paid into it my whole
life. Thank you for your thoughts though. Oh by the way, I still pay
plenty of taxes as does my husband and all of my family and we are
tired of paying for immigrants and illegals.

GQ
    >>
    >> GQ
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >> >Try and talk to an
    >> >> >immigration lawyer or someone who can give specific knowledgeable
    >> >> >advice. Perhaps if you address a question to Sylvia Ottemoeller she
    >> >> >might be able to give some guidance. Good luck! Drop me mail or a PM
    >> >> >if you like.
    >> >> >
    >> >> >Originally posted by Amanda
    >> >> >> Graphic
    >> >> >Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> >> >news:<[email protected]> ...
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> <snip>
    >> >> >> >
    >>
    >> >> >> > If they are immigrating to and English speaking country
    >> then maube
    >> >> >> > they should wait until they can actually speak
    >> and understand the
    >> >> >> > language.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> What is your
    >> problem? They are elderly and their son/daughter will
    >> >> >> betaking care
    >> of them, i.e and will not be working. Can you get that
    >> >> >> into your
    >> forhead? Have a heart. Wait till you get to be elderly and
    >> >> >> see how
    >> does it feel to be alone?
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> GQ

Graphic Queen

On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:28:39 -0500, Oliver Costich
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On 9 Mar 2004 11:26:28 -0800, [email protected] (Amanda) wrote:
    >>Graphic Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    >>> On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:14:23 +0000, Patent Attorney
    >>> <member19562@british_expats.com> wrote:
    >>>
    >>> >
    >>> >Amanda,
    >>> >I sympathize very much with the problems you are facing. It is
    >>> >very hard dealing with parents that have needs and who are located in
    >>> >one's home country.
    >>> >
    >>> >On the language point, there is a good chance
    >>> >your parents will be excused from the language, oral and knowledge test
    >>> >on grounds of their age. I know my mother (who is now with me, I
    >>> >sponsored her for a green card) is exempt from the knowledge test on
    >>> >grounds of age. Actually, my mum is bright as a button and does
    >>> >difficult crosswords at the drop of a hat so would like to be tested!
    >>> >But I am glad that she will be exempt because her blood pressure can get
    >>> >very high, particularly if she is stressed.
    >>>
    >>> Yep, and then all of us taxpayers can take care of them and have to
    >>> have some person who speaks their language. Just great. NOT!!!!
    >>Shut UP. I told you that my sister pays more tax than you ever will.
    >>That's just one child of that woman (my mom). You got so much tax
    >>from children she raised and rasied well, you idiot.
    >"Shut up"? What a brilliant rebuttal. And since more than 99% of
    >taxpayers pay less than I do, I doubt your sister pays more. And the
    >kids pay taxes? So breeders get more benefits?
    >I notice you don't say anywhere that these elderly will not take from
    >Social Security.

You noticed that also?
    >>> >Try and talk to an
    >>> >immigration lawyer or someone who can give specific knowledgeable
    >>> >advice. Perhaps if you address a question to Sylvia Ottemoeller she
    >>> >might be able to give some guidance. Good luck! Drop me mail or a PM
    >>> >if you like.
    >>> >
    >>> >Originally posted by Amanda
    >>> >> Graphic
    >>> >Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> >news:<[email protected]> ...
    >>> >>
    >>> >> <snip>
    >>> >> >
    >>>
    >>> >> > If they are immigrating to and English speaking country
    >>> then maube
    >>> >> > they should wait until they can actually speak
    >>> and understand the
    >>> >> > language.
    >>> >>
    >>> >> What is your
    >>> problem? They are elderly and their son/daughter will
    >>> >> betaking care
    >>> of them, i.e and will not be working. Can you get that
    >>> >> into your
    >>> forhead? Have a heart. Wait till you get to be elderly and
    >>> >> see how
    >>> does it feel to be alone?
    >>> >>
    >>> >> >
    >>> >> GQ

Amanda

Oliver Costich <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    > On 9 Mar 2004 11:26:28 -0800, [email protected] (Amanda) wrote:
    >
    > >Graphic Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    > >> On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:14:23 +0000, Patent Attorney
    > >> <member19562@british_expats.com> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >
    > >> >Amanda,
    > >> >I sympathize very much with the problems you are facing. It is
    > >> >very hard dealing with parents that have needs and who are located in
    > >> >one's home country.
    > >> >
    > >> >On the language point, there is a good chance
    > >> >your parents will be excused from the language, oral and knowledge test
    > >> >on grounds of their age. I know my mother (who is now with me, I
    > >> >sponsored her for a green card) is exempt from the knowledge test on
    > >> >grounds of age. Actually, my mum is bright as a button and does
    > >> >difficult crosswords at the drop of a hat so would like to be tested!
    > >> >But I am glad that she will be exempt because her blood pressure can get
    > >> >very high, particularly if she is stressed.
    > >>
    > >> Yep, and then all of us taxpayers can take care of them and have to
    > >> have some person who speaks their language. Just great. NOT!!!!
    > >
    > >
    > >Shut UP. I told you that my sister pays more tax than you ever will.
    > >That's just one child of that woman (my mom). You got so much tax
    > >from children she raised and rasied well, you idiot.
    >
    > "Shut up"? What a brilliant rebuttal. And since more than 99% of
    > taxpayers pay less than I do, I doubt your sister pays more.

What's your income bracket? More than 400,000? That's what hers is
and soemtimes more than 800,000. She has no children..


    > And the
    > kids pay taxes? So breeders get more benefits?
    >
    > I notice you don't say anywhere that these elderly will not take from
    > Social Security.


Well...my mother hasn't taken a damn thing while her children paid
and paid..and pay ..and these children of hers has no children and so
all we do is pay and pay and pay while all GQ do is complain,
complain, complain.....She should go get a *real* job..


BTW, social security will be gone and so don't worry..

    > >
    > >
    > >> >Try and talk to an
    > >> >immigration lawyer or someone who can give specific knowledgeable
    > >> >advice. Perhaps if you address a question to Sylvia Ottemoeller she
    > >> >might be able to give some guidance. Good luck! Drop me mail or a PM
    > >> >if you like.
    > >> >
    > >> >Originally posted by Amanda
    > >> >> Graphic
    > >> >Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >> >news:<[email protected]> ...
    > >> >>
    > >> >> <snip>
    > >> >> >
    >
    > >> >> > If they are immigrating to and English speaking country
    > then maube
    > >> >> > they should wait until they can actually speak
    > and understand the
    > >> >> > language.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> What is your
    > problem? They are elderly and their son/daughter will
    > >> >> betaking care
    > of them, i.e and will not be working. Can you get that
    > >> >> into your
    > forhead? Have a heart. Wait till you get to be elderly and
    > >> >> see how
    > does it feel to be alone?
    > >> >>
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> GQ

Joachim Feise

Amanda said on 3/11/2004 10:38:
    > Well...my mother hasn't taken a damn thing while her children paid
    > and paid..and pay ..and these children of hers has no children and so
    > all we do is pay and pay and pay while all GQ do is complain,
    > complain, complain.....She should go get a *real* job..

Ignore these people. They are just a bunch of anti-immigrant trolls.
I have killfiled them long ago.

-Joe

Graphic Queen

On 11 Mar 2004 10:38:31 -0800, [email protected] (Amanda) wrote:

    >Oliver Costich <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    >> On 9 Mar 2004 11:26:28 -0800, [email protected] (Amanda) wrote:
    >>
    >> >Graphic Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    >> >> On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:14:23 +0000, Patent Attorney
    >> >> <member19562@british_expats.com> wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> >
    >> >> >Amanda,
    >> >> >I sympathize very much with the problems you are facing. It is
    >> >> >very hard dealing with parents that have needs and who are located in
    >> >> >one's home country.
    >> >> >
    >> >> >On the language point, there is a good chance
    >> >> >your parents will be excused from the language, oral and knowledge test
    >> >> >on grounds of their age. I know my mother (who is now with me, I
    >> >> >sponsored her for a green card) is exempt from the knowledge test on
    >> >> >grounds of age. Actually, my mum is bright as a button and does
    >> >> >difficult crosswords at the drop of a hat so would like to be tested!
    >> >> >But I am glad that she will be exempt because her blood pressure can get
    >> >> >very high, particularly if she is stressed.
    >> >>
    >> >> Yep, and then all of us taxpayers can take care of them and have to
    >> >> have some person who speaks their language. Just great. NOT!!!!
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >Shut UP. I told you that my sister pays more tax than you ever will.
    >> >That's just one child of that woman (my mom). You got so much tax
    >> >from children she raised and rasied well, you idiot.
    >>
    >> "Shut up"? What a brilliant rebuttal. And since more than 99% of
    >> taxpayers pay less than I do, I doubt your sister pays more.
    > What's your income bracket? More than 400,000? That's what hers is
    >and soemtimes more than 800,000. She has no children..
    >> And the
    >> kids pay taxes? So breeders get more benefits?
    >>
    >> I notice you don't say anywhere that these elderly will not take from
    >> Social Security.
    > Well...my mother hasn't taken a damn thing while her children paid
    >and paid..and pay ..and these children of hers has no children and so
    >all we do is pay and pay and pay while all GQ do is complain,
    >complain, complain.....She should go get a *real* job..

I guess that you don't people who already worked so you could have
what you have now. Another little Yuppie who has never had to work for
a thing. You people are just ignorant.
    >BTW, social security will be gone and so don't worry..
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >> >Try and talk to an
    >> >> >immigration lawyer or someone who can give specific knowledgeable
    >> >> >advice. Perhaps if you address a question to Sylvia Ottemoeller she
    >> >> >might be able to give some guidance. Good luck! Drop me mail or a PM
    >> >> >if you like.
    >> >> >
    >> >> >Originally posted by Amanda
    >> >> >> Graphic
    >> >> >Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> >> >news:<[email protected]> ...
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> <snip>
    >> >> >> >
    >>
    >> >> >> > If they are immigrating to and English speaking country
    >> then maube
    >> >> >> > they should wait until they can actually speak
    >> and understand the
    >> >> >> > language.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> What is your
    >> problem? They are elderly and their son/daughter will
    >> >> >> betaking care
    >> of them, i.e and will not be working. Can you get that
    >> >> >> into your
    >> forhead? Have a heart. Wait till you get to be elderly and
    >> >> >> see how
    >> does it feel to be alone?
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> GQ

Bizrus

As per my wife, the interview and the tests are very simple.

The interview and the tests are conducted in English but, if your
parents are older than 65 years old and have been living in the States
for at least 20 years, they can take a simpler test in their native
language.

If they do not qualify for the exception, they must take the test in
English. Sorry, no translators (live or automatic) allowed.

You will find most of the information they need for the interview and
the tests here:

http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/natz/require.htm

This page contains the list of questions and sentences for the test
and it even features a self-test page.

I strongly recommend you to download the Naturalization Guide here:

http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/natz/English.pdf

Good luck to them!


"Nemo Oudeheis" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Our elderly parents expect to be invited to Helsinki soon for an immigration
    > interview. One of the things that concerns them is that they have only
    > minimal English skills. I suppose when we started the process we assumed
    > that the consular section in Helsinki would have someone around with Russian
    > skills to conduct the interview, but this appears not to be the case.
    >
    > I'm petty sure they don't want to give you an exact list of questions; but I
    > wonder how someone with minimal skills gets by? I suppose we could hire an
    > interpreter, but the consulate has to do some sort of security check on
    > him/her; plus we would probably be out several hundred extra Euros.
    >
    > Is this interview something one could get through with a handheld
    > translation device? Or with a list of answers? How difficult is the
    > interview, actually?
    >
    > Thanks in advance.
    >
    > ~Nemo

Graphic Queen

On 18 Mar 2004 14:24:20 -0800, [email protected] (Bizrus) wrote:

    >As per my wife, the interview and the tests are very simple.
    >The interview and the tests are conducted in English but, if your
    >parents are older than 65 years old and have been living in the States
    >for at least 20 years, they can take a simpler test in their native
    >language.

Wonderful. If they have lived here for that 20 years or more and
haven't learned at least enough English to hold a small conversation
then they must not be very proud of being Americans. Can't speak
English then one should be deported.
    >If they do not qualify for the exception, they must take the test in
    >English. Sorry, no translators (live or automatic) allowed.

As it should be.
    >You will find most of the information they need for the interview and
    >the tests here:
    >http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/natz/require.htm
    >This page contains the list of questions and sentences for the test
    >and it even features a self-test page.
    >I strongly recommend you to download the Naturalization Guide here:
    >http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/natz/English.pdf
    >Good luck to them!
    >"Nemo Oudeheis" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    >> Our elderly parents expect to be invited to Helsinki soon for an immigration
    >> interview. One of the things that concerns them is that they have only
    >> minimal English skills. I suppose when we started the process we assumed
    >> that the consular section in Helsinki would have someone around with Russian
    >> skills to conduct the interview, but this appears not to be the case.
    >>
    >> I'm petty sure they don't want to give you an exact list of questions; but I
    >> wonder how someone with minimal skills gets by? I suppose we could hire an
    >> interpreter, but the consulate has to do some sort of security check on
    >> him/her; plus we would probably be out several hundred extra Euros.
    >>
    >> Is this interview something one could get through with a handheld
    >> translation device? Or with a list of answers? How difficult is the
    >> interview, actually?
    >>
    >> Thanks in advance.
    >>
    >> ~Nemo