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Old Mar 7th 2004, 7:59 am
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Nemo Oudeheis
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Our elderly parents expect to be invited to Helsinki soon for an immigration
interview. One of the things that concerns them is that they have only
minimal English skills. I suppose when we started the process we assumed
that the consular section in Helsinki would have someone around with Russian
skills to conduct the interview, but this appears not to be the case.

I'm petty sure they don't want to give you an exact list of questions; but I
wonder how someone with minimal skills gets by? I suppose we could hire an
interpreter, but the consulate has to do some sort of security check on
him/her; plus we would probably be out several hundred extra Euros.

Is this interview something one could get through with a handheld
translation device? Or with a list of answers? How difficult is the
interview, actually?

Thanks in advance.

~Nemo
 
Old Mar 7th 2004, 10:35 am
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Graphic Queen
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On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 15:59:20 -0500, "Nemo Oudeheis" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >Our elderly parents expect to be invited to Helsinki soon for an immigration
    >interview. One of the things that concerns them is that they have only
    >minimal English skills. I suppose when we started the process we assumed
    >that the consular section in Helsinki would have someone around with Russian
    >skills to conduct the interview, but this appears not to be the case.
    >I'm petty sure they don't want to give you an exact list of questions; but I
    >wonder how someone with minimal skills gets by? I suppose we could hire an
    >interpreter, but the consulate has to do some sort of security check on
    >him/her; plus we would probably be out several hundred extra Euros.
    >Is this interview something one could get through with a handheld
    >translation device? Or with a list of answers? How difficult is the
    >interview, actually?
    >Thanks in advance.
    >~Nemo
If they are immigrating to and English speaking country then maube
they should wait until they can actually speak and understand the
language.

GQ
 
Old Mar 8th 2004, 1:08 am
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Oliver Costich
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On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 16:35:53 -0700, Graphic Queen
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 15:59:20 -0500, "Nemo Oudeheis" <[email protected]>
    >wrote:
    >>Our elderly parents expect to be invited to Helsinki soon for an immigration
    >>interview. One of the things that concerns them is that they have only
    >>minimal English skills. I suppose when we started the process we assumed
    >>that the consular section in Helsinki would have someone around with Russian
    >>skills to conduct the interview, but this appears not to be the case.
    >>I'm petty sure they don't want to give you an exact list of questions; but I
    >>wonder how someone with minimal skills gets by? I suppose we could hire an
    >>interpreter, but the consulate has to do some sort of security check on
    >>him/her; plus we would probably be out several hundred extra Euros.
    >>Is this interview something one could get through with a handheld
    >>translation device? Or with a list of answers? How difficult is the
    >>interview, actually?
    >>Thanks in advance.
    >>~Nemo
    >If they are immigrating to and English speaking country then maube
    >they should wait until they can actually speak and understand the
    >language.
    >GQ


Like learn Spanish?
 
Old Mar 8th 2004, 3:09 am
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Graphic Queen
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On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 09:08:38 -0500, Oliver Costich
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 16:35:53 -0700, Graphic Queen
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 15:59:20 -0500, "Nemo Oudeheis" <[email protected]>
    >>wrote:
    >>>Our elderly parents expect to be invited to Helsinki soon for an immigration
    >>>interview. One of the things that concerns them is that they have only
    >>>minimal English skills. I suppose when we started the process we assumed
    >>>that the consular section in Helsinki would have someone around with Russian
    >>>skills to conduct the interview, but this appears not to be the case.
    >>>I'm petty sure they don't want to give you an exact list of questions; but I
    >>>wonder how someone with minimal skills gets by? I suppose we could hire an
    >>>interpreter, but the consulate has to do some sort of security check on
    >>>him/her; plus we would probably be out several hundred extra Euros.
    >>>Is this interview something one could get through with a handheld
    >>>translation device? Or with a list of answers? How difficult is the
    >>>interview, actually?
    >>>Thanks in advance.
    >>>~Nemo
    >>If they are immigrating to and English speaking country then maube
    >>they should wait until they can actually speak and understand the
    >>language.
    >>GQ
    >Like learn Spanish?

If that is what the country speaks then YES, learn Spanish Oliver.

GQ
 
Old Mar 8th 2004, 9:25 am
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Graphic Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..

<snip>
    > >
    > If they are immigrating to and English speaking country then maube
    > they should wait until they can actually speak and understand the
    > language.

What is your problem? They are elderly and their son/daughter will
betaking care of them, i.e and will not be working. Can you get that
into your forhead? Have a heart. Wait till you get to be elderly and
see how does it feel to be alone?

    >
    > GQ
 
Old Mar 8th 2004, 10:14 am
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Franklin
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Amanda,
I sympathize very much with the problems you are facing. It is very hard dealing with parents that have needs and who are located in one's home country.

On the language point, there is a good chance your parents will be excused from the language, oral and knowledge test on grounds of their age. I know my mother (who is now with me, I sponsored her for a green card) is exempt from the knowledge test on grounds of age. Actually, my mum is bright as a button and does difficult crosswords at the drop of a hat so would like to be tested! But I am glad that she will be exempt because her blood pressure can get very high, particularly if she is stressed.

Try and talk to an immigration lawyer or someone who can give specific knowledgeable advice. Perhaps if you address a question to Sylvia Ottemoeller she might be able to give some guidance. Good luck! Drop me mail or a PM if you like.

Originally posted by Amanda
Graphic Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..

<snip>
    > >
    > If they are immigrating to and English speaking country then maube
    > they should wait until they can actually speak and understand the
    > language.

What is your problem? They are elderly and their son/daughter will
betaking care of them, i.e and will not be working. Can you get that
into your forhead? Have a heart. Wait till you get to be elderly and
see how does it feel to be alone?

    >
    > GQ
 
Old Mar 8th 2004, 12:31 pm
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On 8 Mar 2004 14:25:44 -0800, [email protected] (Amanda) wrote:

    >Graphic Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    ><snip>
    >> >
    >> If they are immigrating to and English speaking country then maube
    >> they should wait until they can actually speak and understand the
    >> language.
    >What is your problem? They are elderly and their son/daughter will
    >betaking care of them, i.e and will not be working. Can you get that
    >into your forhead? Have a heart. Wait till you get to be elderly and
    >see how does it feel to be alone?

I certainly wouldn't be going to another country to retire then and
neither would anyone with a damn brain. We don't need more people to
have to take care of with our tax money in this country. And I don't
think it is asking too much for people, no matter what their age, know
the language of the country they intend to move to and live.

GQ
    >>
    >> GQ
 
Old Mar 8th 2004, 12:32 pm
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On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:14:23 +0000, Patent Attorney
<member19562@british_expats.com> wrote:

    >Amanda,
    >I sympathize very much with the problems you are facing. It is
    >very hard dealing with parents that have needs and who are located in
    >one's home country.
    >On the language point, there is a good chance
    >your parents will be excused from the language, oral and knowledge test
    >on grounds of their age. I know my mother (who is now with me, I
    >sponsored her for a green card) is exempt from the knowledge test on
    >grounds of age. Actually, my mum is bright as a button and does
    >difficult crosswords at the drop of a hat so would like to be tested!
    >But I am glad that she will be exempt because her blood pressure can get
    >very high, particularly if she is stressed.

Yep, and then all of us taxpayers can take care of them and have to
have some person who speaks their language. Just great. NOT!!!!
    >Try and talk to an
    >immigration lawyer or someone who can give specific knowledgeable
    >advice. Perhaps if you address a question to Sylvia Ottemoeller she
    >might be able to give some guidance. Good luck! Drop me mail or a PM
    >if you like.
    >Originally posted by Amanda
    >> Graphic
    >Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:<[email protected]> ...
    >>
    >> <snip>
    >> >
    >> > If they are immigrating to and English speaking country
    >then maube
    >> > they should wait until they can actually speak
    >and understand the
    >> > language.
    >>
    >> What is your
    >problem? They are elderly and their son/daughter will
    >> betaking care
    >of them, i.e and will not be working. Can you get that
    >> into your
    >forhead? Have a heart. Wait till you get to be elderly and
    >> see how
    >does it feel to be alone?
    >>
    >> >
    >> GQ
 
Old Mar 8th 2004, 1:56 pm
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Franklin
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Nemo,
Sorry, I accidently replied to the wrong person ... she here goes ...

I sympathize very much with the problems you are facing. It is very hard dealing with parents that have needs and who are located in one's home country.

On the language point, there is a good chance your parents will be excused from the language, oral and knowledge test on grounds of their age. I know my mother (who is now with me, I sponsored her for a green card) is exempt from the knowledge test on grounds of age. Actually, my mum is bright as a button and does difficult crosswords at the drop of a hat so would like to be tested! But I am glad that she will be exempt because her blood pressure can get very high, particularly if she is stressed.

Try and talk to an immigration lawyer or someone who can give specific knowledgeable advice. Perhaps if you address a question to Sylvia Ottemoeller she might be able to give some guidance. Good luck! Drop me mail or a PM if you like.

Originally posted by Nemo Oudeheis
Our elderly parents expect to be invited to Helsinki soon for an immigration
interview. One of the things that concerns them is that they have only
minimal English skills. I suppose when we started the process we assumed
that the consular section in Helsinki would have someone around with Russian
skills to conduct the interview, but this appears not to be the case.

I'm petty sure they don't want to give you an exact list of questions; but I
wonder how someone with minimal skills gets by? I suppose we could hire an
interpreter, but the consulate has to do some sort of security check on
him/her; plus we would probably be out several hundred extra Euros.

Is this interview something one could get through with a handheld
translation device? Or with a list of answers? How difficult is the
interview, actually?

Thanks in advance.

~Nemo
 
Old Mar 9th 2004, 1:50 am
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Oliver Costich
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On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 09:09:51 -0700, Graphic Queen
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 09:08:38 -0500, Oliver Costich
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 16:35:53 -0700, Graphic Queen
    >><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 15:59:20 -0500, "Nemo Oudeheis" <[email protected]>
    >>>wrote:
    >>>>Our elderly parents expect to be invited to Helsinki soon for an immigration
    >>>>interview. One of the things that concerns them is that they have only
    >>>>minimal English skills. I suppose when we started the process we assumed
    >>>>that the consular section in Helsinki would have someone around with Russian
    >>>>skills to conduct the interview, but this appears not to be the case.
    >>>>I'm petty sure they don't want to give you an exact list of questions; but I
    >>>>wonder how someone with minimal skills gets by? I suppose we could hire an
    >>>>interpreter, but the consulate has to do some sort of security check on
    >>>>him/her; plus we would probably be out several hundred extra Euros.
    >>>>Is this interview something one could get through with a handheld
    >>>>translation device? Or with a list of answers? How difficult is the
    >>>>interview, actually?
    >>>>Thanks in advance.
    >>>>~Nemo
    >>>If they are immigrating to and English speaking country then maube
    >>>they should wait until they can actually speak and understand the
    >>>language.
    >>>GQ
    >>Like learn Spanish?
    >If that is what the country speaks then YES, learn Spanish Oliver.
    >GQ


I was being facetious about the language of the US.
 
Old Mar 9th 2004, 1:53 am
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On 8 Mar 2004 14:25:44 -0800, [email protected] (Amanda) wrote:

    >Graphic Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    ><snip>
    >> >
    >> If they are immigrating to and English speaking country then maube
    >> they should wait until they can actually speak and understand the
    >> language.
    >What is your problem? They are elderly and their son/daughter will
    >betaking care of them, i.e and will not be working. Can you get that
    >into your forhead? Have a heart. Wait till you get to be elderly and
    >see how does it feel to be alone?

What's elderly got to do with it? And how do you know who will be
taking care of them? Many elderly who come with pledges of support
become recipients of public aid because those who promised to support
them don't do it.

    >>
    >> GQ
 
Old Mar 9th 2004, 3:22 am
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Graphic Queen
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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 09:50:19 -0500, Oliver Costich
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 09:09:51 -0700, Graphic Queen
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 09:08:38 -0500, Oliver Costich
    >><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 16:35:53 -0700, Graphic Queen
    >>><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 15:59:20 -0500, "Nemo Oudeheis" <[email protected]>
    >>>>wrote:
    >>>>>Our elderly parents expect to be invited to Helsinki soon for an immigration
    >>>>>interview. One of the things that concerns them is that they have only
    >>>>>minimal English skills. I suppose when we started the process we assumed
    >>>>>that the consular section in Helsinki would have someone around with Russian
    >>>>>skills to conduct the interview, but this appears not to be the case.
    >>>>>I'm petty sure they don't want to give you an exact list of questions; but I
    >>>>>wonder how someone with minimal skills gets by? I suppose we could hire an
    >>>>>interpreter, but the consulate has to do some sort of security check on
    >>>>>him/her; plus we would probably be out several hundred extra Euros.
    >>>>>Is this interview something one could get through with a handheld
    >>>>>translation device? Or with a list of answers? How difficult is the
    >>>>>interview, actually?
    >>>>>Thanks in advance.
    >>>>>~Nemo
    >>>>If they are immigrating to and English speaking country then maube
    >>>>they should wait until they can actually speak and understand the
    >>>>language.
    >>>>GQ
    >>>Like learn Spanish?
    >>If that is what the country speaks then YES, learn Spanish Oliver.
    >>GQ
    >I was being facetious about the language of the US.

I know, but don't you love how I turned it around so everyone would
understand what I was saying?

GQ
 
Old Mar 9th 2004, 3:24 am
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Graphic Queen
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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 09:53:50 -0500, Oliver Costich
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On 8 Mar 2004 14:25:44 -0800, [email protected] (Amanda) wrote:
    >>Graphic Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    >><snip>
    >>> >
    >>> If they are immigrating to and English speaking country then maube
    >>> they should wait until they can actually speak and understand the
    >>> language.
    >>What is your problem? They are elderly and their son/daughter will
    >>betaking care of them, i.e and will not be working. Can you get that
    >>into your forhead? Have a heart. Wait till you get to be elderly and
    >>see how does it feel to be alone?
    >What's elderly got to do with it? And how do you know who will be
    >taking care of them? Many elderly who come with pledges of support
    >become recipients of public aid because those who promised to support
    >them don't do it.

She doesn't of course. It will be the taxpayers taking care of yet
another person who can't speak the language and never did an ounce of
work in this country and will take from the SSI and deplete it even
more. Won't that be wonderful. Learn the language or stay the hell
put.

GQ
 
Old Mar 9th 2004, 3:28 am
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Graphic Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    > On 8 Mar 2004 14:25:44 -0800, [email protected] (Amanda) wrote:
    >
    > >Graphic Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    > >
    > ><snip>
    > >> >
    > >> If they are immigrating to and English speaking country then maube
    > >> they should wait until they can actually speak and understand the
    > >> language.
    > >
    > >What is your problem? They are elderly and their son/daughter will
    > >betaking care of them, i.e and will not be working. Can you get that
    > >into your forhead? Have a heart. Wait till you get to be elderly and
    > >see how does it feel to be alone?
    >
    > I certainly wouldn't be going to another country to retire then and
    > neither would anyone with a damn brain. We don't need more people to
    > have to take care of with our tax money

Your tax money that came from their son/daughter for years before
that son/daughter even became a resident.

Beside, you will only go to another country to exploit. I don't want
to get to politics but I hope you have enough brain to know what I am
talking about.

    >in this country. And I don't
    > think it is asking too much for people,

Yes it is asking too much when it is an elderly that you are asking
but then what do you knwo about respeting elderly and having a heart.

    > no matter what their age, know
    > the language of the country they intend to move to and live.
    >
    > GQ
    > >
    > >>
    > >> GQ
 
Old Mar 9th 2004, 4:07 am
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On 9 Mar 2004 08:28:26 -0800, [email protected] (Amanda) wrote:

    >Graphic Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    >> On 8 Mar 2004 14:25:44 -0800, [email protected] (Amanda) wrote:
    >>
    >> >Graphic Queen <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    >> >
    >> ><snip>
    >> >> >
    >> >> If they are immigrating to and English speaking country then maube
    >> >> they should wait until they can actually speak and understand the
    >> >> language.
    >> >
    >> >What is your problem? They are elderly and their son/daughter will
    >> >betaking care of them, i.e and will not be working. Can you get that
    >> >into your forhead? Have a heart. Wait till you get to be elderly and
    >> >see how does it feel to be alone?
    >>
    >> I certainly wouldn't be going to another country to retire then and
    >> neither would anyone with a damn brain. We don't need more people to
    >> have to take care of with our tax money
    > Your tax money that came from their son/daughter for years before
    >that son/daughter even became a resident.

You mean they paid taxes like everyone else? And how much was it? Even
if they did, any added expenses to the taxpayers from their parents is
money out of the US taxpayers pocket. Do we need to import this?

    >Beside, you will only go to another country to exploit. I don't want
    >to get to politics but I hope you have enough brain to know what I am
    >talking about.

I have enough brain to know that you don't know what you are talking
about.

    >>in this country. And I don't
    >> think it is asking too much for people,
    >Yes it is asking too much when it is an elderly that you are asking
    >but then what do you knwo about respeting elderly and having a heart.

I'm rapidly approaching "elderly". How about some respect for our own
elderly and keep some of this social cost money for them?

    >> no matter what their age, know
    >> the language of the country they intend to move to and live.
    >>
    >> GQ
    >> >
    >> >>
    >> >> GQ
 


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