Pat

Hi,

I am a Canadian citizen by naturalization. As a Canadian, I, along with
my small family, moved to the US, and cunrrently live and work in the
US under the TN visa.

We had a new baby few weeks ago, I understand he would be a US citizen
by birth.

My question: Anybody knows, if I voluntarily applied for a Canadian
citizenship for him through the Canadian embassy in US, would this
result in losing his American citizenship or not?

I am assuming that the Candaian embassy can only forward the forms for
obtaining citizenship application for the baby based on my will.But it
cann't provide an advice to my question.

Joe Feise

Pat wrote on 09/22/06 06:38:

    > Hi,
    >
    > I am a Canadian citizen by naturalization. As a Canadian, I, along with
    > my small family, moved to the US, and cunrrently live and work in the
    > US under the TN visa.
    >
    > We had a new baby few weeks ago, I understand he would be a US citizen
    > by birth.
    >
    > My question: Anybody knows, if I voluntarily applied for a Canadian
    > citizenship for him through the Canadian embassy in US, would this
    > result in losing his American citizenship or not?


No.
--
I am not a lawyer.
For reliable advice, consult a competent immigration attorney.

scrubbedexpat099

Not.

Quite possible to have both.

sgallagher

    > I am a Canadian citizen by naturalization. As a Canadian, I, along with
    > my small family, moved to the US, and cunrrently live and work in the
    > US under the TN visa.
    > We had a new baby few weeks ago, I understand he would be a US citizen
    > by birth.

Yes.

    > My question: Anybody knows, if I voluntarily applied for a Canadian
    > citizenship for him through the Canadian embassy in US, would this
    > result in losing his American citizenship or not?

No, it would not affect his US citizenship. US citizenship cannot be
taken from a child based on the actions of a parent, or any other
person.

Additionally, if you are a Canadian citizen, then your child IS already
a Canadian citizen. What you would be doing is applying for a
Certificate of Canadian Citizenship, also referred to as a Citizenship
Card, which would be proof of his Canadian citizenship. You would not
be applying for Canadian citizenship to be conferred upon the child,
merely doumentary proof that he already holds citizenship.

He would be able to keep and make use of both citizenships, for life.
Some people may tell you that your child will be required to choose
only one citizenship at some point in the future, but that's a widely
held misconception. Neither the US nor Canada will require such a
choice.

    > I am assuming that the Candaian embassy can only forward the forms for
    > obtaining citizenship application for the baby based on my will.But it
    > cann't provide an advice to my question.

The Canadian government would not want to comment on your question,
because the issue of how it would affect his US citizenship would be a
matter of US law.

Deport Illegals Now

"Pat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] oups.com...
    > Hi,
    > I am a Canadian citizen by naturalization. As a Canadian, I, along with
    > my small family, moved to the US, and cunrrently live and work in the
    > US under the TN visa.
    > We had a new baby few weeks ago, I understand he would be a US citizen
    > by birth.

Unfortunately under archaic US law he is a citizen by virtue of being born
on US soil. This makes no sense at all and was probably intended so that
freed slaves were considered citizens. But those days are over and this law
must be changed immediately. After all, diplomat's children are not
automatically US citizens just because they're born in the US and children
born to at least 1 US parent abroad are considered Natural born US citizens.
An illegal female can have a number of kids in the US and they're all
citizens and now she'll have no problem staying and will be made legal and
probably get citizenship. It's insane and unfair to the people who wait
years and spend a lot of money to get into the US legally. In effect, we're
rewarding the law breakers.

To stop this illegal invasion we must do the following to start:

1. Fine and imprison any person or the directors of a company hiring
illegals.

2. Change the law regarding citizenship for people who are simply born in
the US unless their mother is here legally

3. Arrest and deport all illegals with no hearing and bill Mexico(or
wherever they're from) the cost. And when they are deported make sure it's
to some remote area of their country not just on the other side of the
border.

4.Permit only those people with at least a University degree or a
substantial amount of money to live on or invest to enter the country. We
don't need any more lawnboys etc etc (something students or the poor should
be doing)

5. Limit to 10% of yearly income (legal) the amount of money that can be
sent out of the country by non citizens.Most of these people use US Postal
money orders and I can see that the post office has made it entirely too
easy for them to send money this way. Apparently they are complicit and know
what's going on.

to be continued................





    > My question: Anybody knows, if I voluntarily applied for a Canadian
    > citizenship for him through the Canadian embassy in US, would this
    > result in losing his American citizenship or not?
    > I am assuming that the Candaian embassy can only forward the forms for
    > obtaining citizenship application for the baby based on my will.But it
    > cann't provide an advice to my question.
    >

JAJ

But people on a TN visa are in the United States *legally*

Requires a Constitutional Amendment (not impossible though).

And if Mexico doesn't pay? It's not possible for U.S. forces to deport people into some remote area of Mexico. Or do you suggest an invasion?

You mean restrict the convertibility of the U.S. dollar into other currencies? Socialist countries are the only ones left that operate foreign exchange controls.

ian-mstm

She'll be waiting 21 years... because that's how old the child has to be in order to petition for a non-USC parent. A non-USC parent can not derive immediate immigration benefit simply by virtue of having a USC child. You might actually learn something if you pulled your xenophobic head out of your ass from time to time.

Ian

P Pron

Deport Illegals Now wrote:

A load of stuff that is totally unhelpful in relation to the question posed
by "Pat", so I've snipped it

    || "Pat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    || news:[email protected] oups.com...
    ||| Hi,
    |||
    ||| I am a Canadian citizen by naturalization. As a Canadian, I, along
    ||| with my small family, moved to the US, and cunrrently live and work
    ||| in the US under the TN visa.
    |||
    ||| We had a new baby few weeks ago, I understand he would be a US
    ||| citizen by birth.
    |||
    ||| My question: Anybody knows, if I voluntarily applied for a
    ||| Canadian citizenship for him through the Canadian embassy in US,
    ||| would this result in losing his American citizenship or not?
    |||
    ||| I am assuming that the Candaian embassy can only forward the forms
    ||| for obtaining citizenship application for the baby based on my
    ||| will.But it cann't provide an advice to my question.

I don't think you'll have any problem, Pat - have a look at this website -
http://www.richw.org/dualcit/

paul

Man In The Boat

I like it bitch. Now go snip your flabby labia haha


Pat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] oups.com...
    > Hi,
    > I am a Canadian citizen by naturalization. As a Canadian, I, along with
    > my small family, moved to the US, and cunrrently live and work in the
    > US under the TN visa.
    > We had a new baby few weeks ago, I understand he would be a US citizen
    > by birth.

Unfortunately under archaic US law he is a citizen by virtue of being born
on US soil. This makes no sense at all and was probably intended so that
freed slaves were considered citizens. But those days are over and this law
must be changed immediately. After all, diplomat's children are not
automatically US citizens just because they're born in the US and children
born to at least 1 US parent abroad are considered Natural born US citizens.
An illegal female can have a number of kids in the US and they're all
citizens and now she'll have no problem staying and will be made legal and
probably get citizenship. It's insane and unfair to the people who wait
years and spend a lot of money to get into the US legally. In effect, we're
rewarding the law breakers.

To stop this illegal invasion we must do the following to start:

1. Fine and imprison any person or the directors of a company hiring
illegals.

2. Change the law regarding citizenship for people who are simply born in
the US unless their mother is here legally

3. Arrest and deport all illegals with no hearing and bill Mexico(or
wherever they're from) the cost. And when they are deported make sure it's
to some remote area of their country not just on the other side of the
border.

4.Permit only those people with at least a University degree or a
substantial amount of money to live on or invest to enter the country. We
don't need any more lawnboys etc etc (something students or the poor should
be doing)

5. Limit to 10% of yearly income (legal) the amount of money that can be
sent out of the country by non citizens.Most of these people use US Postal
money orders and I can see that the post office has made it entirely too
easy for them to send money this way. Apparently they are complicit and know
what's going on.

to be continued................





    > My question: Anybody knows, if I voluntarily applied for a Canadian
    > citizenship for him through the Canadian embassy in US, would this
    > result in losing his American citizenship or not?
    > I am assuming that the Candaian embassy can only forward the forms for
    > obtaining citizenship application for the baby based on my will.But it
    > cann't provide an advice to my question.

scrubbedexpat099

4. Most people on this board came here through your requirement or through marriage, would you ban spouses?

5. Presumably this applies both ways, just wondering because I brought in many many times my annual salary into the US when I moved, seems somewhat silly limiting the inflow of such capital. Not sure the USC's who we bought our house from would have been that happy either.

Elvira

Do you realise this idiot posts this nonsense all over the place - best ignore...

sgallagher

Man In The Boat wrote:
    > "ian-mstm" <member2954@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected] m...
    > >
    > >> "Pat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >> news:[email protected] oups.com...
    > >> > Hi,
    > >> > I am a Canadian citizen by naturalization. As a Canadian, I, along
    > >> > with
    > >> > my small family, moved to the US, and cunrrently live and work in
    > >> > the
    > >> > US under the TN visa.
    > >> > We had a new baby few weeks ago, I understand he would be a US
    > >> > citizen
    > >> > by birth.
    > >>
    > >> Unfortunately under archaic US law he is a citizen by virtue of being
    > >> born
    > >> on US soil. This makes no sense at all and was probably intended so
    > >> that
    > >> freed slaves were considered citizens. But those days are over and
    > >> this law
    > >> must be changed immediately. After all, diplomat's children are not
    > >> automatically US citizens just because they're born in the US and
    > >> children
    > >> born to at least 1 US parent abroad are considered Natural born US
    > >> citizens.
    > >> An illegal female can have a number of kids in the US and they're all
    > >> citizens and now she'll have no problem staying and will be made legal
    > >> and
    > >> probably get citizenship. It's insane and unfair to the people who
    > >> wait
    > >> years and spend a lot of money to get into the US legally. In effect,
    > >> we're
    > >> rewarding the law breakers.
    > >>
    > >> To stop this illegal invasion we must do the following to start:
    > >>
    > >> 1. Fine and imprison any person or the directors of a company hiring
    > >> illegals.
    > >>
    > >> 2. Change the law regarding citizenship for people who are simply born
    > >> in
    > >> the US unless their mother is here legally
    > >>
    > >> 3. Arrest and deport all illegals with no hearing and bill Mexico(or
    > >> wherever they're from) the cost. And when they are deported make sure
    > >> it's
    > >> to some remote area of their country not just on the other side of the
    > >> border.
    > >>
    > >> 4.Permit only those people with at least a University degree or a
    > >> substantial amount of money to live on or invest to enter the
    > >> country. We
    > >> don't need any more lawnboys etc etc (something students or the poor
    > >> should
    > >> be doing)
    > >>
    > >> 5. Limit to 10% of yearly income (legal) the amount of money that can
    > >> be
    > >> sent out of the country by non citizens.Most of these people use US
    > >> Postal
    > >> money orders and I can see that the post office has made it
    > >> entirely too
    > >> easy for them to send money this way. Apparently they are complicit
    > >> and know
    > >> what's going on.
    > >>
    > >> to be continued................
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> > My question: Anybody knows, if I voluntarily applied for a
    > >> > Canadian
    > >> > citizenship for him through the Canadian embassy in US, would this
    > >> > result in losing his American citizenship or not?
    > >> > I am assuming that the Candaian embassy can only forward the forms
    > >> > for
    > >> > obtaining citizenship application for the baby based on my will.But
    > >> > it
    > >> > cann't provide an advice to my question.
    > >> >
    > >
    > > She'll be waiting 21 years... because that's how old the child has to be
    > > in order to petition for a non-USC parent. A non-USC parent can not
    > > derive immediate immigration benefit simply by virtue of having a USC
    > > child. You might actually learn something if you pulled your xenophobic
    > > head out of your ass from time to time.
    > Let me tell you something stupid. Forget the law and face reality. If a
    > female had a child who was 2 yo for example and who was born in the US it
    > would be nearly impossible to deport the mother and I can guarantee you that
    > that mother would become a US citizen with a little help from an attorney.

Please cite some cases where illegal aliens are granted permanent
residency on the basis of US citizen children, otherwise it's only
hearsay.

    > So if she was illegal the kid should not automatically be a citizen and both
    > could be returned to their home country. Much easier.

What do you mean "their" home country. You can't assume that the child
will be a citizen of his mother's country. It depends on the
nationality law of the country involved.

Avenger

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ups.com...
    > Man In The Boat wrote:
    >> "ian-mstm" <member2954@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected] m...
    >> >
    >> >> "Pat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> >> news:[email protected] oups.com...
    >> >> > Hi,
    >> >> > I am a Canadian citizen by naturalization. As a Canadian, I, along
    >> >> > with
    >> >> > my small family, moved to the US, and cunrrently live and work in
    >> >> > the
    >> >> > US under the TN visa.
    >> >> > We had a new baby few weeks ago, I understand he would be a US
    >> >> > citizen
    >> >> > by birth.
    >> >>
    >> >> Unfortunately under archaic US law he is a citizen by virtue of being
    >> >> born
    >> >> on US soil. This makes no sense at all and was probably intended so
    >> >> that
    >> >> freed slaves were considered citizens. But those days are over and
    >> >> this law
    >> >> must be changed immediately. After all, diplomat's children are not
    >> >> automatically US citizens just because they're born in the US and
    >> >> children
    >> >> born to at least 1 US parent abroad are considered Natural born US
    >> >> citizens.
    >> >> An illegal female can have a number of kids in the US and they're all
    >> >> citizens and now she'll have no problem staying and will be made legal
    >> >> and
    >> >> probably get citizenship. It's insane and unfair to the people who
    >> >> wait
    >> >> years and spend a lot of money to get into the US legally. In effect,
    >> >> we're
    >> >> rewarding the law breakers.
    >> >>
    >> >> To stop this illegal invasion we must do the following to start:
    >> >>
    >> >> 1. Fine and imprison any person or the directors of a company hiring
    >> >> illegals.
    >> >>
    >> >> 2. Change the law regarding citizenship for people who are simply born
    >> >> in
    >> >> the US unless their mother is here legally
    >> >>
    >> >> 3. Arrest and deport all illegals with no hearing and bill Mexico(or
    >> >> wherever they're from) the cost. And when they are deported make sure
    >> >> it's
    >> >> to some remote area of their country not just on the other side of the
    >> >> border.
    >> >>
    >> >> 4.Permit only those people with at least a University degree or a
    >> >> substantial amount of money to live on or invest to enter the
    >> >> country. We
    >> >> don't need any more lawnboys etc etc (something students or the poor
    >> >> should
    >> >> be doing)
    >> >>
    >> >> 5. Limit to 10% of yearly income (legal) the amount of money that can
    >> >> be
    >> >> sent out of the country by non citizens.Most of these people use US
    >> >> Postal
    >> >> money orders and I can see that the post office has made it
    >> >> entirely too
    >> >> easy for them to send money this way. Apparently they are complicit
    >> >> and know
    >> >> what's going on.
    >> >>
    >> >> to be continued................
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> > My question: Anybody knows, if I voluntarily applied for a
    >> >> > Canadian
    >> >> > citizenship for him through the Canadian embassy in US, would this
    >> >> > result in losing his American citizenship or not?
    >> >> > I am assuming that the Candaian embassy can only forward the forms
    >> >> > for
    >> >> > obtaining citizenship application for the baby based on my will.But
    >> >> > it
    >> >> > cann't provide an advice to my question.
    >> >> >
    >> >
    >> > She'll be waiting 21 years... because that's how old the child has to
    >> > be
    >> > in order to petition for a non-USC parent. A non-USC parent can not
    >> > derive immediate immigration benefit simply by virtue of having a USC
    >> > child. You might actually learn something if you pulled your xenophobic
    >> > head out of your ass from time to time.
    >> Let me tell you something stupid. Forget the law and face reality. If a
    >> female had a child who was 2 yo for example and who was born in the US it
    >> would be nearly impossible to deport the mother and I can guarantee you
    >> that
    >> that mother would become a US citizen with a little help from an
    >> attorney.
    > Please cite some cases where illegal aliens are granted permanent
    > residency on the basis of US citizen children, otherwise it's only
    > hearsay.

You're a naive fool.



    >> So if she was illegal the kid should not automatically be a citizen and
    >> both
    >> could be returned to their home country. Much easier.
    > What do you mean "their" home country. You can't assume that the child
    > will be a citizen of his mother's country. It depends on the
    > nationality law of the country involved.


That should not be a problem that the gov't of the US should have be
bothered with, it's the woman's problem. The US gov't only has to worry
about enforcing US Laws and entering the US without permission is Illegal.
If you can't show a passport and visa you should be immediately deported, no
hearing because you're not supposed to be in the country. And be thankful
you're not charged with espionage for sneaking over the borders into the
US.
    >

sgallagher

    > That should not be a problem that the gov't of the US should have be
    > bothered with, it's the woman's problem.

Unfortunately (for you, anyway) it doesn't work that way. The baby is
a US citizen. Come back when you've changed the Constitution.

CPW

That may (or may not) be all very well in itself, but it's misdirected since the original poster is not living illegally in the USA - she's living legally in the USA.