dbd33

Every day I go and work in computer departments. Using that internet thingy and sometimes by visiting, I work with people in computer departments in many countries.

I pimp some people at $300/hr for 8 hours/ 260/days in those facets. What, pray tell, are the good facets of the business?

Will read your links tomorrow but I'm amazed, I think computer departments employ more women, as a proportion of staff, than Hooters or Twin Peaks.

worklifebalance

I've seen to many positions advertised at around 50 0r 60 to believe this figure as the norm for programmers. Yes some people maybe on 100 but a quick ring around recruiters and various other sources gives a very different story and that is where I got my figure from.

Steve_

Who said anything about a judge? If your case had such far-reaching implications, the entire industry would bribe you with that much to make you go away.

worklifebalance

Not if negotiations were just between the company and I - and who would offer more compensation than the judge would rather then let it go to court and pay less. Once a judgement is made it can set a precedent so yes it could make a big difference

247365NotForMe

Followed this thread with great interest as similar what has happened to you has happened to me in IT. I was expected to work minimum 80 hours a week and company always refused my vacation. At Christmas I asked for my vacation as it needed to be used by year end or lose it. I got fired the next day for not being a team player. I get plenty of interviews but each time I got an offer it was withdrawn when background checks were done. One company told me that responses from my previous company indicated without actually saying it that I was a problem to them. I did not even put this company as a reference but that doesn't matter in Canada as they take references from whoever they like and without asking. I no longer have them on my resume or linkedin but the damage is done and my career in Canada destroyed. I am going to leave Canada after less than a year and forget that Canada ever existed. Canada you are fired.

worklifebalance

wow that is really bad treatment and I'm really sorry for you as you have to leave. I just done some searching on the internet and found this employee blacklist owned by none other than EMPLOYMENT BUREAU OF CANADA for a National Employment Database of Offenders. Employers are allowed to add anyone who was fired/dismissed to this blacklist not just offenders. You really can have your career destroyed in Canada by a vindictive employer with the governments help. Employers could add anything about you and you wouldn't know it, nor have opportunity to defend yourself.

Steve_

Not as big as you were suggesting.

Steve_

There's an appeals process linked to from that very page. Given that the records are public, it would be dumb to lie, although I accept there are a lot of dumb people about.

Steve_

Here is an extraordinarily comprehensive answer to your question, courtesy of Dice: Dice Salary Survey: Tech's problem isn't a pay gap, it's a position gap - TechRepublic

worklifebalance

... but is that page promoted to employee's or employer's? It's the first I or anybody else I know knew of it. It was only by chance I found it embedded within another employment website. If you don't know about it or have to wait for the appeals process then the damage is done as you're not going to get the job for which you're being referenced. They only have to say you were fired not what for - and employers will read between the lines. As you can legally be fired for not being liked it is not hard to ruin someone's career.

dbd33

That doesn't answer my question, it just lists the same facets of IT that I did by job title rather than role and asserts that women are paid less because they have different job titles. It doesn't introduce any facets of IT of which I'm unaware. It doesn't counter my view that, while women IT are paid less than men, they're less discriminated against in IT than in other fields.

Project Manager vs. System Architect, Business Analyst vs. Database Administrator are minute distinctions in role and differ from place to place; counting the penises in each position tells you nothing.

Steve_

That's an oversimplification of what it says, it draws a clear distinction between a Project Manager and a System Architect because Project Manager is listed for both genders. Technical support and help desk don't even appear for the men.

Steve_

Employers are liable, as you are in the process of finding out because you're actually following the legal procedure right now. And libel is also illegal.

That's not an official govt. website, by the way. You could sue them.

Juggernaut1064

I have heard wages are low in the east, including Ontario/Toronto.
I recruit truckers from that area with ease, Grossing $4000 bi weekly it seems beats anything out there, also one of my closest friends is in IT, actually at the same trucking company and last time salaries where mentioned he is close to $60,000 which is double what he earned in Winnipeg and guessing more than Ontario ? Rarely works any overtime but he is on call and a laptop goes just about everywhere with him.
Not sure if his salary is low or not but maybe he is treated better because he works for an IT dept rather than a company if you know what i mean ? Or am i talking out of my arse ? lol

Oh IT hours are 9 to 5 monday to friday

JonboyE

Vancouver has the reputation of paying lower wages than Toronto. Despite this, the people I know who are at a "professional" level in IT work (not entry level positions) seem to earn between $85k and $120k and are home for tea every day.