are you tired of all the justifying?
Aug 16th 2008, 10:53 pm
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Aug 16th 2008, 11:52 pm
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Aug 17th 2008, 12:11 am
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Re: are you tired of all the justifying?
Erdinger is also on sale in the UK too.
Yeah, I have tried Amsterdam Blonde and by local NA brew standards its an OK beer.
Have you tried the Toronto brewed Steam Whistle, that ain't bad at all, the best NA beer Ive tried to date... an award winning beer from an award winning micro-brewery.
M.
Yeah, I have tried Amsterdam Blonde and by local NA brew standards its an OK beer.
Have you tried the Toronto brewed Steam Whistle, that ain't bad at all, the best NA beer Ive tried to date... an award winning beer from an award winning micro-brewery.
M.
Aug 17th 2008, 3:50 am
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Re: are you tired of all the justifying?
I just got back from the border were we went to land with new PR visas. It's the second time I took precious time off work and dragged my wife and children down there. I won't bore you with our story. Compared to many people who post here our journey has been easy. My company even paid a lawyer to handle the PR. All I needed was to supply the documents, although having moved some 22 times in the last 18 years you can perhaps imagine some of the complications.
The truth is that deep down after all we did to get them I actually wanted them to refuse us. I was almost willing them to present me with one more stupid pointless bureaucratic hoop to jump through so I could tell them to get stuffed. I'm tired of justifying myself and my family to these people. My wife and I are both 38 years old. Like many of the folks I read about here, we are both fully qualified and experienced professionals. We are here because I was head hunted by a Canadian company. We never came here looking for some Canuk fantasy utopia, and we would leave tomorrow if a better offer came up. We pay (a lot of) tax, we have integrated and made friends in our local community and our children are doing well at the local school. Yet we are second class citizens, no not even that - we aren't citizens at all.
So we have to keep justifying ourselves. My wife wants to work as a teacher, so she needs a certificate from the Ontario College to Teachers. So there's another inexplicable fee and she's back on the phone to confused secretaries at her old colleges in the UK trying to get those completely pointless and non-existent 'sealed' transcripts again: "no! one copy in a sealed envelope...what do you mean you don't have a university stamp!". Looking on the bright side, at least now we have PRs I won't have to go cap in hand to the local school board in September for special permission for my children to attend school.
Anyway I said I wouldn't bore you all and I already have, so my question to you all is this: don't you just get tired of it? Doesn't it make you look around and think, is it really worth all this just to live in this place? Perhaps that's the real purpose behind all the bureaucracy - to put people off. It's worked for me. I'm defeated and I've had enough. After 10 years of being foreigners we want to be citizens again, and by chance of birth this means the UK.
Back at the border when the CIC guy gave us our PRs he said 'congratulations'. I think he was surprised by my unenthusiastic response. We bought the kids a Hershey bar across the street and drove home. On the way back the kids fell asleep and we began plotting our departure from Canada.
The truth is that deep down after all we did to get them I actually wanted them to refuse us. I was almost willing them to present me with one more stupid pointless bureaucratic hoop to jump through so I could tell them to get stuffed. I'm tired of justifying myself and my family to these people. My wife and I are both 38 years old. Like many of the folks I read about here, we are both fully qualified and experienced professionals. We are here because I was head hunted by a Canadian company. We never came here looking for some Canuk fantasy utopia, and we would leave tomorrow if a better offer came up. We pay (a lot of) tax, we have integrated and made friends in our local community and our children are doing well at the local school. Yet we are second class citizens, no not even that - we aren't citizens at all.
So we have to keep justifying ourselves. My wife wants to work as a teacher, so she needs a certificate from the Ontario College to Teachers. So there's another inexplicable fee and she's back on the phone to confused secretaries at her old colleges in the UK trying to get those completely pointless and non-existent 'sealed' transcripts again: "no! one copy in a sealed envelope...what do you mean you don't have a university stamp!". Looking on the bright side, at least now we have PRs I won't have to go cap in hand to the local school board in September for special permission for my children to attend school.
Anyway I said I wouldn't bore you all and I already have, so my question to you all is this: don't you just get tired of it? Doesn't it make you look around and think, is it really worth all this just to live in this place? Perhaps that's the real purpose behind all the bureaucracy - to put people off. It's worked for me. I'm defeated and I've had enough. After 10 years of being foreigners we want to be citizens again, and by chance of birth this means the UK.
Back at the border when the CIC guy gave us our PRs he said 'congratulations'. I think he was surprised by my unenthusiastic response. We bought the kids a Hershey bar across the street and drove home. On the way back the kids fell asleep and we began plotting our departure from Canada.
Aug 17th 2008, 6:05 am
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Re: are you tired of all the justifying?
I just got back from the border were we went to land with new PR visas. It's the second time I took precious time off work and dragged my wife and children down there. I won't bore you with our story. Compared to many people who post here our journey has been easy. My company even paid a lawyer to handle the PR. All I needed was to supply the documents, although having moved some 22 times in the last 18 years you can perhaps imagine some of the complications.
The truth is that deep down after all we did to get them I actually wanted them to refuse us. I was almost willing them to present me with one more stupid pointless bureaucratic hoop to jump through so I could tell them to get stuffed. I'm tired of justifying myself and my family to these people. My wife and I are both 38 years old. Like many of the folks I read about here, we are both fully qualified and experienced professionals. We are here because I was head hunted by a Canadian company. We never came here looking for some Canuk fantasy utopia, and we would leave tomorrow if a better offer came up. We pay (a lot of) tax, we have integrated and made friends in our local community and our children are doing well at the local school. Yet we are second class citizens, no not even that - we aren't citizens at all.
So we have to keep justifying ourselves. My wife wants to work as a teacher, so she needs a certificate from the Ontario College to Teachers. So there's another inexplicable fee and she's back on the phone to confused secretaries at her old colleges in the UK trying to get those completely pointless and non-existent 'sealed' transcripts again: "no! one copy in a sealed envelope...what do you mean you don't have a university stamp!". Looking on the bright side, at least now we have PRs I won't have to go cap in hand to the local school board in September for special permission for my children to attend school.
Anyway I said I wouldn't bore you all and I already have, so my question to you all is this: don't you just get tired of it? Doesn't it make you look around and think, is it really worth all this just to live in this place? Perhaps that's the real purpose behind all the bureaucracy - to put people off. It's worked for me. I'm defeated and I've had enough. After 10 years of being foreigners we want to be citizens again, and by chance of birth this means the UK.
Back at the border when the CIC guy gave us our PRs he said 'congratulations'. I think he was surprised by my unenthusiastic response. We bought the kids a Hershey bar across the street and drove home. On the way back the kids fell asleep and we began plotting our departure from Canada.
The truth is that deep down after all we did to get them I actually wanted them to refuse us. I was almost willing them to present me with one more stupid pointless bureaucratic hoop to jump through so I could tell them to get stuffed. I'm tired of justifying myself and my family to these people. My wife and I are both 38 years old. Like many of the folks I read about here, we are both fully qualified and experienced professionals. We are here because I was head hunted by a Canadian company. We never came here looking for some Canuk fantasy utopia, and we would leave tomorrow if a better offer came up. We pay (a lot of) tax, we have integrated and made friends in our local community and our children are doing well at the local school. Yet we are second class citizens, no not even that - we aren't citizens at all.
So we have to keep justifying ourselves. My wife wants to work as a teacher, so she needs a certificate from the Ontario College to Teachers. So there's another inexplicable fee and she's back on the phone to confused secretaries at her old colleges in the UK trying to get those completely pointless and non-existent 'sealed' transcripts again: "no! one copy in a sealed envelope...what do you mean you don't have a university stamp!". Looking on the bright side, at least now we have PRs I won't have to go cap in hand to the local school board in September for special permission for my children to attend school.
Anyway I said I wouldn't bore you all and I already have, so my question to you all is this: don't you just get tired of it? Doesn't it make you look around and think, is it really worth all this just to live in this place? Perhaps that's the real purpose behind all the bureaucracy - to put people off. It's worked for me. I'm defeated and I've had enough. After 10 years of being foreigners we want to be citizens again, and by chance of birth this means the UK.
Back at the border when the CIC guy gave us our PRs he said 'congratulations'. I think he was surprised by my unenthusiastic response. We bought the kids a Hershey bar across the street and drove home. On the way back the kids fell asleep and we began plotting our departure from Canada.
For us it was so worth the journey, all the family love it here and we feel more at home here than anywhere else. The reality far surpases any dream I had of living in Canada. We have been here 3yrs and all the newbies (from all over the world) that we know love it too.
Last edited by Paradisefound; Aug 17th 2008 at 6:07 am.
Aug 18th 2008, 3:56 am
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Re: are you tired of all the justifying?
Well i'm surprized I got shot down by so many of you for my comments. I thought most of you going through the immigration process would understand, or at least have some empathy...oh well.
I don't think I was being arrogant at all, and nothing I said should have implied that. I think some of you understood my frustration - thank you...
I don't think I was being arrogant at all, and nothing I said should have implied that. I think some of you understood my frustration - thank you...
Aug 18th 2008, 4:00 am
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Aug 18th 2008, 4:14 am
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Aug 18th 2008, 9:20 am
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Re: are you tired of all the justifying?
I can understand your post, I am spent the majority of my life living abroad. I was born in the UK, but grew up in Australia, however we came back to Britain 3 times as my parents couldn't decide on where to settle.
When I was 15 my parents then decided to pick up sticks and move to Malta (my mum's place of birth) and we stayed there for 2 years. I am now back in the UK, but I no longer feel I belong anywhere.
I have felt like a foreigner wherever I go now and sometimes you just want a sense of belonging.
Our move to Canada though is our choice, and I feel that if I have to jump through fire to get there I will. I don't relish the thought of being a foreigner yet again in another country but like Australia I feel Canada is just becoming one big melting pot anyway and I hope eventually I will feel as if I belong.
I hear that you do enjoy your life in Canada but I guess feel that's it's not worth it to still feel like a foreigner. However you are so close to having all that hard work be worthwhile. Only you know your true feelings and only you and your family can decide what the best move is.
The immigration process is not easy for anyone I would imagine, it's a painsaking process as you know, but there are many of us that would do it all again if it means we acheive that better life we are all hoping for.
I do hope you find what you are looking for.
When I was 15 my parents then decided to pick up sticks and move to Malta (my mum's place of birth) and we stayed there for 2 years. I am now back in the UK, but I no longer feel I belong anywhere.
I have felt like a foreigner wherever I go now and sometimes you just want a sense of belonging.
Our move to Canada though is our choice, and I feel that if I have to jump through fire to get there I will. I don't relish the thought of being a foreigner yet again in another country but like Australia I feel Canada is just becoming one big melting pot anyway and I hope eventually I will feel as if I belong.
I hear that you do enjoy your life in Canada but I guess feel that's it's not worth it to still feel like a foreigner. However you are so close to having all that hard work be worthwhile. Only you know your true feelings and only you and your family can decide what the best move is.
The immigration process is not easy for anyone I would imagine, it's a painsaking process as you know, but there are many of us that would do it all again if it means we acheive that better life we are all hoping for.
I do hope you find what you are looking for.
Aug 18th 2008, 1:05 pm
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Re: are you tired of all the justifying?
Well i'm surprized I got shot down by so many of you for my comments. I thought most of you going through the immigration process would understand, or at least have some empathy...oh well.
I don't think I was being arrogant at all, and nothing I said should have implied that. I think some of you understood my frustration - thank you...
I don't think I was being arrogant at all, and nothing I said should have implied that. I think some of you understood my frustration - thank you...
I dont think I shot you down, I just told you how it was from my angle of things. I having been blessed with having a Canadian teacher at school I became intrigued with the History of this country. And my point is ....... and this is the arrogant side of me coming out now ! I think as an Englishman I have a right to live here. The United States have tried to invade this country 12 times, the most famous of which was the war of 1812. they were defeated by a defending force of 4000 English soldiers, led by the governor Sir George Prevost. So if it wasn't for us English chaps, this country would be under a Bush administration and under the stars and stripes. I like to think of us Brits as a silent invasion force, our numbers are building every day, the mind boggles with the endless possibilities. And so my friend......Read up on Canadian history it will give you an element of comfort and maybe you wont feel such a johnny foriener, have a great day
Aug 18th 2008, 1:38 pm
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Re: are you tired of all the justifying?
I’ve relocated 3 times internationally. And if the right job turns up I’ll move again…. and again…… maybe some of us aren’t prepared to get stuck in a rut or second rate system and pretend that it’s wonderful
Aug 18th 2008, 4:10 pm
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Re: are you tired of all the justifying?
Thanks you guys for your understanding. I'm really struggling to make up mind about what to do next for the whole family's best interests "should I stay or should I go" keeps buzzing in my head. Plenty of positive and negative arguments both ways...
My wife and I are tired of discussing it. Seems like we have spent a lifetime "planning the next move". We just can't resist looking for better opportunities all the time. It becomes a habit and that's why we have moved so many times...
My wife and I are tired of discussing it. Seems like we have spent a lifetime "planning the next move". We just can't resist looking for better opportunities all the time. It becomes a habit and that's why we have moved so many times...
Aug 18th 2008, 4:30 pm
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Re: are you tired of all the justifying?
Thanks you guys for your understanding. I'm really struggling to make up mind about what to do next for the whole family's best interests "should I stay or should I go" keeps buzzing in my head. Plenty of positive and negative arguments both ways...
My wife and I are tired of discussing it. Seems like we have spent a lifetime "planning the next move". We just can't resist looking for better opportunities all the time. It becomes a habit and that's why we have moved so many times...
My wife and I are tired of discussing it. Seems like we have spent a lifetime "planning the next move". We just can't resist looking for better opportunities all the time. It becomes a habit and that's why we have moved so many times...