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Dave n Ailsa Dec 12th 2011 8:52 pm

Re: Are you Emigrating, or Escaping?
 
Excellent reply Chris.

Just to add one more teeny weeny thing.... :D

If this was a one-way ticket deal, ie; no returns allowed, do you think you would have the same amount of PR applications?

I include myself in that scenario obviously, as I can't tell the future.

I'm pretty sure folk would be doing a LOT more research before commiting ;)

Geordie Lass Dec 12th 2011 9:24 pm

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Originally Posted by chrisparr (Post 9785538)
What a fun read.

Ok, so here's my 2 pence/cents worth:

If you want to move over because you love the great outdoors, then that's a valid reason.
If you want to move over because you hate the hoodies that seem to hang around on every street corner, then that's a valid reason.
If you want to move over because you dream of afternoons spent eating timbits and drinking coffee, and a quick browse round Canadian Tire on the way home, then that's also a valid reason.

They are all valid reasons because a valid reason is not defined by what others think, it's about the individual.

The people who come back with their tail between their legs, and who clogged up the immigration queue for a while had every right to do so. The fact they came back is irrelevant to the immigration process.

People do come back hating it, but don't be too quick to judge. No amount of research can prepare you 100% for a life in Canada. There are simply going to be things that piss you off and impact on your life in a negative way. Anyone who thinks otherwise is simply being naive. Who knows what you may discover 3 days, 3 months, or 3 years into your new life? For some people the next negative thing they discover may tip the balance and outweigh the positive. After a while that can lead to you hating the place and moving back.

To the OP: I would say don't judge others too fast as one day you may find yourself on a flight back to the UK or somewhere else because you hate Canada. Your obvious response will be "Rubbish!" (or a similar sentiment), but I can't imagine many people move to Canada after going through the PR process thinking they're going to hate it. It's something that happens when they're there. Enough straws will break the back of any Camel, and there may be plenty of negatives out there waiting for you that you're simply unaware of.

Enjoy your time in the UK, and if you do manage to get PR and move out to Canada, then I wish you every success, just like I would to anyone moving out there to escape hoodies on street corners.

+1. Well said in my opinion.:)

YYZlover Dec 12th 2011 9:43 pm

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Originally Posted by Dave n Ailsa (Post 9782720)
We want to move BECAUSE of the differences. We won't be looking for british pubs, or footy, or be upset with not seeing eastenders, or not getting baked beans etc etc. We want Tim Hortons, and Canadian Tire, and rusty old muscle cars sitting on the driveway, knowing I can buy parts and if I do get to drive it, it won't look ridiculous like it would on a narrow wet road in Scotland. We want to know it will be sunny in Summer, and snowy in winter, even if it is extreme. We like the accents, we like the space, we even like the stereotype attitude that Canadians seem to have from other nations.

You just brought tears to my eyes. For real. I must go home again, soon. And by home, I mean Toronto.

I agree with every single word you said.

dbd33 Dec 12th 2011 10:29 pm

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Originally Posted by chrisparr (Post 9785538)
If you want to move over because you hate the hoodies that seem to hang around on every street corner, then that's a valid reason.

Well no, because people stand outside here too. And they wear hoods.


Originally Posted by chrisparr (Post 9785538)
If you want to move over because you dream of afternoons spent eating timbits and drinking coffee, and a quick browse round Canadian Tire on the way home, then that's also a valid reason.

That is beyond sad. Coffee and shoplifting may be in one's future but one may as well dream of something nice.

gillyd65 Dec 13th 2011 12:03 am

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Originally Posted by Dave n Ailsa (Post 9785562)
Excellent reply Chris.

Just to add one more teeny weeny thing.... :D

If this was a one-way ticket deal, ie; no returns allowed, do you think you would have the same amount of PR applications?

I include myself in that scenario obviously, as I can't tell the future.

I'm pretty sure folk would be doing a LOT more research before commiting ;)

I think the majority of people research as much as they can. Research all you want, like we did, tick every box but until you actually move out and live and work here you cannot know for definite if it will suit you. You can think and hope it will but don't under estimate how massive the change is and how it will affect your life both positive and negative. Every immigration story is unique to that person/family and what suits one doesn't necessarily suit another.

Piff Poff Dec 13th 2011 1:34 am

Re: Are you Emigrating, or Escaping?
 

Originally Posted by Dave n Ailsa (Post 9785562)
Excellent reply Chris.

Just to add one more teeny weeny thing.... :D

If this was a one-way ticket deal, ie; no returns allowed, do you think you would have the same amount of PR applications?

I include myself in that scenario obviously, as I can't tell the future.

I'm pretty sure folk would be doing a LOT more research before commiting ;)


I think most people that emigrate - apart from those that move purely for work, announce that's it we're leaving, we're never coming back, therefore view it as a one way deal. I know we did, we sold up lock stock and barrel, got on the plane and that was that.

Some people just don't find the Utopia they think they are going to find and realise it's just the same shit in a shinier/snowier bucket and prefer the familiarity of 'back home'.

R I C H Dec 13th 2011 1:51 am

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It's like Internet dating. All seems rosy from afar, then upon meeting reality sets in. Saggy tits, halitosis and a personality disorder become apparent.

Atlantic Xpat Dec 13th 2011 1:59 am

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Originally Posted by R I C H (Post 9785926)
It's like Internet dating. All seems rosy from afar, then upon meeting reality sets in. Saggy tits, halitosis and a personality disorder become apparent.

Internet dating was the cause of my emigration to Canada. So I reject your hypothesis.;)

R I C H Dec 13th 2011 2:07 am

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Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat (Post 9785938)
Internet dating was the cause of my emigration to Canada. So I reject your hypothesis.;)

No doubt your tits are beautifully pert.

MikeUK Dec 13th 2011 2:25 am

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Originally Posted by Dave n Ailsa (Post 9785562)
I'm pretty sure folk would be doing a LOT more research before commiting ;)

I suspect it’s not the amount of research that lets people down, but the quality of the research..
I’d also suggest that most people find it very hard to be objective when dreaming of new opportunities

Or to put bluntly, most people’s “research” in to emigrating is done to justify the move, not to objectively validate the reasons whether to move or not..


Or put even more bluntly, most peoples research is almost worthless..!

helcat12 Dec 13th 2011 2:31 am

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Originally Posted by R I C H (Post 9785926)
It's like Internet dating. All seems rosy from afar, then upon meeting reality sets in. Saggy tits, halitosis and a personality disorder become apparent.


Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat (Post 9785938)
Internet dating was the cause of my emigration to Canada. So I reject your hypothesis.;)


Originally Posted by R I C H (Post 9785962)
No doubt your tits are beautifully pert.

But what about the breath and the personality disorder?

As Meatloaf once sang, "Two out of three ain't bad..." :p

el_richo Dec 13th 2011 2:46 am

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Originally Posted by chrisparr (Post 9785538)
...just like I would to anyone moving out there to escape hoodies on street corners.


Originally Posted by Dave n Ailsa (Post 9785562)
Excellent reply Chris.

FFS :sneaky:


Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 9785992)
I suspect it’s not the amount of research that lets people down, but the quality of the research..
I’d also suggest that most people find it very hard to be objective when dreaming of new opportunities

Or to put bluntly, most people’s “research” in to emigrating is done to justify the move, not to objectively validate the reasons whether to move or not..


Or put even more bluntly, most peoples research is almost worthless..!

This, however, is a much more accurate post

scribe123 Dec 13th 2011 3:00 am

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Originally Posted by el_richo (Post 9786032)
FFS :sneaky:

I was citing that reason to essentially say each to their own, not as the reason I want to emigrate.

el_richo Dec 13th 2011 3:35 am

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Originally Posted by chrisparr (Post 9786064)
I was citing that reason to essentially say each to their own, not as the reason I want to emigrate.

Not questioning your reasons. They're your own.

The comment about hoodies on a street corner contained in any post is always bullshit and can never be an "excellent reply".

helcat12 Dec 13th 2011 3:58 am

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Originally Posted by el_richo (Post 9786189)
Not questioning your reasons. They're your own.

The comment about hoodies on a street corner contained in any post is always bullshit and can never be an "excellent reply".

To be fair, I think the "hoodies...." comment has become a kind of shorthand for posters trying to describe the state of disaffected, unemployed youth involved in crime, the dole culture which has developed and indeed the whole situation with the degradation of society as they see it developing in the UK.


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