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dwight-van-man Sep 15th 2013 8:14 am

Winter Running
 
Is running outside over winter do-able? I've run in minus 5 and snow but obviously Scottish winter is fairly lightweight compared to winnipeg... is it generally treadmill time until march?

Aviator Sep 15th 2013 8:19 am

Re: Winter Running
 

Originally Posted by dwight-van-man (Post 10902183)
Is running outside over winter do-able? I've run in minus 5 and snow but obviously Scottish winter is fairly lightweight compared to winnipeg... is it generally treadmill time until march?

In Vancouver yes, in Hay River, probably not.

pthom Sep 15th 2013 8:27 am

Re: Winter Running
 
I run in Calgary, minus 32 being the coldest I've run in. Not pretty but doable. Minus 15 is my cut off normally, just dress appropriately.

MillieF Sep 15th 2013 8:29 am

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Well oddly enough....yes...the running trail goes past the bottom of our garden and they run all winter...I really could not believe it. Bods run and jog past at all hours in in ALL weathers....I Marcel Marceaued my way very gingerly down the path most days on pure ice but there would always be somebody running past. I got some sort of grippy spings for the bottom of my boots, but people seem to run without! Bloody amazing! We do get 'quite a lot' of snow here.

not2old Sep 15th 2013 8:31 am

Re: Winter Running
 
its not uncommon in the dead of winter January & February in Canada to have many minus 20 Celsius (-20'C) days. Shoveling the driveway to get out is bad enough, never mind running;)

"If you are an experience runner you'll likely know how to dress for the occasion and you can enjoy running during the cold winter season (likely not -20C).

The following is a list of things that can happen if you run in the cold without proper planning:

hypothermia
frostbite
dehydration
wind chill effects

These are all serious and, in some cases, potentially life-threatening conditions. However, if you take some extra time to get ready for your run in the cold, you'll be safe and comfortable.

Later on we'll talk about dressing for warmth, protecting your exposed skin and keeping hydrated. But first, let's talk about your route. You may not be able to run the same route in the winter as you do during the warmer months because it could be snow-covered or icy.

So map out an alternate route, if necessary. Keep your route closer to home and maybe even a bit shorter. If you're closer to home, you won't have far to run or walk if the weather gets ugly or if you take a spill on the ice.
And do remember that sometimes it's just too cold to run.

Medical professionals recommend you run for no more than 30 minutes in temperatures below minus 17.7 degrees Celsius (0 degrees Fahrenheit), and here's why:

You have a decreased ability to feel pain in sub-zero temperatures, meaning if you injure yourself, or if you have a previous injury that flares up, you may not feel it and can wind up exacerbating the problem."

Mikeypm Sep 15th 2013 9:48 am

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I once got frost nip on finger tips out running during the winter. It cleared up eventually but when the temp drops I get the numb sensation coming back into my fingers. So definitely make sure you have decent warm kit before heading out :)

dwight-van-man Sep 15th 2013 10:05 am

Re: Winter Running
 
Thanks all - I generally layer up pretty well and have done a couple of 'extreme' runs (up cairngorm in january) but I wondered about the practicalities of running daily in the cold. I do five miles a day and couldn't stand being on a treadmill... Stupid question - can you use regular trainers or are spikes better to avoid the Marcel Marceau effect?

Mikeypm Sep 15th 2013 10:10 am

Re: Winter Running
 

Originally Posted by dwight-van-man (Post 10902296)
Thanks all - I generally layer up pretty well and have done a couple of 'extreme' runs (up cairngorm in january) but I wondered about the practicalities of running daily in the cold. I do five miles a day and couldn't stand being on a treadmill... Stupid question - can you use regular trainers or are spikes better to avoid the Marcel Marceau effect?

Id suggest no spikes but a good gripping trainer something like the Salomon fell cross 2. Castleberg outdoors (google them) have them in stock at the moment.Alternatively the Salomen fell raisers.

Cant stand treadmills myself;)

BristolUK Sep 15th 2013 10:15 am

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Don't forget frozen nostril hair.:eek:

dwight-van-man Sep 15th 2013 10:22 am

Re: Winter Running
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 10902307)
Don't forget frozen nostril hair.:eek:

I trim... and my nostril hair:p

Thanks Mikey for the trainer suggestions - didnt think the Asics would do the job!

not2old Sep 15th 2013 10:25 am

Re: Winter Running
 

Originally Posted by Mikeypm (Post 10902299)
Id suggest no spikes but a good gripping trainer something like the Salomon fell cross 2. Castleberg outdoors (google them) have them in stock at the moment.Alternatively the Salomen fell raisers.

Trail running shoes

and from a UK site on snow & ice running

http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/forum/...es/185831.html

tallperson Sep 15th 2013 11:42 am

Re: Winter Running
 
I walk every day and my cut-off is about -20c. If the sun is shining it doesn't feel so bad. The wind chill can be annoying but I just put my head down and get on with it.
In February I do a hypothermic half-marathon and there are plenty of runners out then!
Dress properly and you'll be fine.

Dashie Sep 15th 2013 12:04 pm

Re: Winter Running
 
Our local arena has an indoor track that's free to use. I prefer outside but I'll likely head there if it's icy.

Shard Sep 15th 2013 11:09 pm

Re: Winter Running
 

Originally Posted by pthom (Post 10902199)
I run in Calgary, minus 32 being the coldest I've run in. Not pretty but doable. Minus 15 is my cut off normally, just dress appropriately.

Minus 32? That sounds dangerous. Isn't there a risk of frozen lungs or something like that? How long was your run at -32?

MrsDV Sep 16th 2013 12:44 am

Re: Winter Running
 
I think you'd be surprised just how doable it is.

I ran through 2 winters in Calgary: Asics on my feet, full length running pants and usually 2 layers on top, gloves and a hat or balaclava on the really cold days.

Hard work on the legs after fresh snowfall and had to watch my footing if there was compacted / icy snow or there had been a thaw and freeze. I found I could comfortably run at -22/-23 isn, beyond that I'd move indoors.

There are a few indoor tracks around which are slightly less boring than the treadmill.

I think if you're still alive, it impossible for your lungs to freeze ;) Frost nip is only a problem if you have exposed skin.

I found the winters there easier to run in than back in the UK - you just get used to it and know what you have to deal with.

pthom Sep 16th 2013 1:34 am

Re: Winter Running
 

Originally Posted by MrsDV (Post 10903017)
I think you'd be surprised just how doable it is.

I ran through 2 winters in Calgary: Asics on my feet, full length running pants and usually 2 layers on top, gloves and a hat or balaclava on the really cold days.

Hard work on the legs after fresh snowfall and had to watch my footing if there was compacted / icy snow or there had been a thaw and freeze. I found I could comfortably run at -22/-23 isn, beyond that I'd move indoors.

There are a few indoor tracks around which are slightly less boring than the treadmill.

I think if you're still alive, it impossible for your lungs to freeze ;) Frost nip is only a problem if you have exposed skin.

I found the winters there easier to run in than back in the UK - you just get used to it and know what you have to deal with.

What she said :). It's not exactly comfortable when it's that cold and I certainly wouldn't stay out for too long, but with the correct clothing it's possible.

MikeUK Sep 16th 2013 3:14 am

Re: Winter Running
 

Originally Posted by MrsDV (Post 10903017)
I think you'd be surprised just how doable it is.

I ran through 2 winters in Calgary: Asics on my feet, full length running pants and usually 2 layers on top, gloves and a hat or balaclava on the really cold days.

Hard work on the legs after fresh snowfall and had to watch my footing if there was compacted / icy snow or there had been a thaw and freeze. I found I could comfortably run at -22/-23 isn, beyond that I'd move indoors.

There are a few indoor tracks around which are slightly less boring than the treadmill.

I think if you're still alive, it impossible for your lungs to freeze ;) Frost nip is only a problem if you have exposed skin.

I found the winters there easier to run in than back in the UK - you just get used to it and know what you have to deal with.

It not the running that’s the risk
It’s the stopping, the cold hitting the lungs on a sharp intake of breath can literally take your breath away and it hurts
A slip on the ice will slow you down; you need a plan B to ensure you don’t get too cold if you have to walk
Right footwear will help; right socks for proper insulation/moisture resistance will help even better
What you need to avoid is sweat….

Howefamily Sep 16th 2013 4:44 am

Re: Winter Running
 
I don't risk the ice since I broke my ankles and don't wish to revisit that pain again ever (I didn't break them running btw)

We have an indoor track that's close, that's where I head to once the ice and snow hits or the minus 20's
I will happily walk in minus 20 but no running, no.

BristolUK Sep 16th 2013 5:49 am

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Different but similar. If the roads are clear of snow and ice I cycle. The biggest problems are leg muscles not wanting to work and the wind chill.

A hat with ear covers is essential - one that fits under a helmet.

But if you wear specs, a ski mask with holes doesn't work and a balaclava or scarf leaves too much exposed, considering you generate your own wind chill as well, or if you cover everything up, you get steamed up glasses.

15 minutes at minus 20 is my limit.

Beaverquest Sep 16th 2013 6:06 am

Re: Winter Running
 
did a course with the running room last winter - for 10k
started in october i think
went thru nov and dec - was a sunday morning of -20oC with fresh snowfall (at glenmore res) think we did 10-12k as was probably my favourite run as a lot of folk bailed out
i wore the 'strap on' studs for icy days ; hill training in pump hill

the final 10k race was in december wearing a santa suit which was too hot

Mikeypm Sep 16th 2013 6:33 am

Re: Winter Running
 

Originally Posted by MrsDV (Post 10903017)
I think you'd be surprised just how doable it is.

I ran through 2 winters in Calgary: Asics on my feet, full length running pants and usually 2 layers on top, gloves and a hat or balaclava on the really cold days.

Hard work on the legs after fresh snowfall and had to watch my footing if there was compacted / icy snow or there had been a thaw and freeze. I found I could comfortably run at -22/-23 isn, beyond that I'd move indoors.

There are a few indoor tracks around which are slightly less boring than the treadmill.

I think if you're still alive, it impossible for your lungs to freeze ;) Frost nip is only a problem if you have exposed skin.

I found the winters there easier to run in than back in the UK - you just get used to it and know what you have to deal with.

I had gloves on but must not have been thick enough as I got frost nip

AllyS Sep 16th 2013 9:16 am

Re: Winter Running
 
Yes it is - I ran all last winter and I'll be doing the same this winter and so on.... just need to layer up, carry a head torch and make sure people know where you're going etc., oh and another thing - wear 'cleats' (those traction things with spikes) when its icy.

I actually really enjoy winter running - no mosquitos, the winter wonderland views during the day, feel great during and after, and its easier on the legs too.... I've had achilles tendinitis lately due to too much running on hard surfaces. On a slight tangent - would love to get into nordic skiing....

The hardest thing is running at night (hence the headtorch) and staying motivated. Have to be careful out there, and don't run alone as there are predators out there and if you fall and injure yourself you could get into trouble!

dwight-van-man Sep 16th 2013 8:48 pm

Re: Winter Running
 
Great advice all, many thanks! Pretty much what I was hoping to hear too. I'm used to running in pretty crappy conditions, but I didn't want to be consigned to the gym all winter. From the sounds of it though, I'm not sure my running partner (the dog) will be so keen!

Shard Sep 16th 2013 9:58 pm

Re: Winter Running
 
Outdoor running is recommended...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/activ...-outdoors.html

dwight-van-man Sep 16th 2013 10:10 pm

Re: Winter Running
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10904556)

I've always said running is as good for the soul as it is for health and you need to be outside to get full benefit. Plus (in Edinburgh at least) its one of only two ways to get strangers to acknowledge each other! The other being walking the dog...

MB-Realtor Sep 16th 2013 11:41 pm

Re: Winter Running
 

Originally Posted by dwight-van-man (Post 10902183)
Is running outside over winter do-able? I've run in minus 5 and snow but obviously Scottish winter is fairly lightweight compared to winnipeg... is it generally treadmill time until march?

I've seen many people running during winter, must admit I do look at them and think "silly sods".

Here in Winnipeg there is an indoor track at the Reh-Fit centre and also at the Rady JCC, both require membership.

bats Sep 16th 2013 11:59 pm

Re: Winter Running
 
Anyone else expecting block heaters?

dwight-van-man Sep 17th 2013 2:15 am

Re: Winter Running
 

Originally Posted by MB-Realtor (Post 10904676)
I've seen many people running during winter, must admit I do look at them and think "silly sods".

Here in Winnipeg there is an indoor track at the Reh-Fit centre and also at the Rady JCC, both require membership.

Thanks for the links, helps the research ;) I'm never sure whether running in winter is less or more sensible than running in summer heat!

Bats - I generally heat my block by sitting on the radiator when I get back in.

Mikeypm Sep 17th 2013 8:29 am

Re: Winter Running
 

Originally Posted by dwight-van-man (Post 10904899)
Thanks for the links, helps the research ;) I'm never sure whether running in winter is less or more sensible than running in summer heat!

Bats - I generally heat my block by sitting on the radiator when I get back in.

I suppose it depends on whether your an all weather or fair weather runner :), As long as you prepare then summer and winter running are both sensible

The4BellsLondon Sep 17th 2013 6:12 pm

Re: Winter Running
 

Originally Posted by dwight-van-man (Post 10904492)
Great advice all, many thanks! Pretty much what I was hoping to hear too. I'm used to running in pretty crappy conditions, but I didn't want to be consigned to the gym all winter. From the sounds of it though, I'm not sure my running partner (the dog) will be so keen!

Dog may need booties!

Edo Sep 18th 2013 6:14 am

Re: Winter Running
 

Originally Posted by dwight-van-man (Post 10902183)
Is running outside over winter do-able? I've run in minus 5 and snow but obviously Scottish winter is fairly lightweight compared to winnipeg... is it generally treadmill time until march?

What is so special about running anyway. Doesnt continuous running give you knee problems when you get to the old age?

AllyS Sep 18th 2013 7:37 am

Re: Winter Running
 

Originally Posted by Edo (Post 10907040)
What is so special about running anyway. Doesnt continuous running give you knee problems when you get to the old age?

Any runner can get an injury at any age. It depends on the individual etc., however, building up distance gradually, and resting to allow the body to recover from a workout minimises the risk of injury. Also eating (and drinking) the right stuff is really important too.

What is special about running? For me, its about being outside, enjoying the scenery, and the challenge of taking part in races to see whether I'm improving or not. Its also a great way to stay in shape (especially over the winter months). I also work out at the gym to build strength.

AllyS Sep 18th 2013 7:41 am

Re: Winter Running
 

Originally Posted by The4BellsLondon (Post 10906076)
Dog may need booties!

and a dog jacket/blanket!

dwight-van-man Sep 19th 2013 9:06 pm

Re: Winter Running
 

Originally Posted by Edo (Post 10907040)
What is so special about running anyway. Doesnt continuous running give you knee problems when you get to the old age?

I try not to base my decisions on what may or may not happen when I'm old! But in theory, the health benefits of running should make my old age longer and healthier, both physically and mentally.

I run because I like it. I just did 5 miles in 31 minutes and I feel brilliant.

dwight-van-man Sep 19th 2013 9:08 pm

Re: Winter Running
 

Originally Posted by AllyS (Post 10907187)
and a dog jacket/blanket!

Ah, dont! My oh already bought the dog a high vis jacket for going out in the dark and the kids keep making her wear my daughters pink Hunter wellies...

The4BellsLondon Sep 20th 2013 2:54 am

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Originally Posted by dwight-van-man (Post 10909465)
Ah, dont! My oh already bought the dog a high vis jacket for going out in the dark and the kids keep making her wear my daughters pink Hunter wellies...

I was being serious bout the boots! Ice and the deicer path gritting stuff can cause nasty cuts and burns. :(

dwight-van-man Sep 20th 2013 4:42 am

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Originally Posted by The4BellsLondon (Post 10909928)
I was being serious bout the boots! Ice and the deicer path gritting stuff can cause nasty cuts and burns. :(

So was I! Check out the pic... Salts really bad for their pads too...

LeeWillo Sep 22nd 2013 6:35 pm

Re: Winter Running
 

Originally Posted by dwight-van-man (Post 10909463)
I just did 5 miles in 31 minutes and I feel brilliant.

Good going is that!

dwight-van-man Sep 22nd 2013 9:10 pm

Re: Winter Running
 

Originally Posted by LeeWillo (Post 10913340)
Good going is that!

Ta - I do the same route every day, normally around 33 -34 minutes but with the dog so having to stop to put the lead on/off & 'pick up'.... 31 was without her; got a half marathon coming up and need some non-dog training days :D


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