Originally Posted by dingbat

Oh dear. It undoubtedly won't improve anything apart from your bank balance if you live mortgage free..but I guess you'll have to experience the joys of NB to understand why I and many others will say that. You may wish to consider that NB being twenty years behind (which is accurate in some ways) puts your kids at a huge disadvantage in the future job market. You are thinking in terms of them experiencing a long gone type of childhood, where kids are living hassle free, playing in the sunny corn fields and all in relative safety. It's a dream. What you have in reality are bored and poorly educated kids, who have been nowhere and done very little, as anyone who tries travelling from NB to the rest of the world will tell you. Kids in certain cheap-to-live Canadian provinces experience limited outside cultural influences, and statistically are more likely to end up into drugs because there is b-all else to do. Those who graduate Grade 12 have to move away if they want a decent University education...and when you have lived here a while you will note with concern that very few ever move back to NB. There is a reason.

Originally Posted by RobinHood

You have just described what will happen if I remain in Yorkshire.

I have spent a lot of time in NB and have 2 (University of New Brunswick educated) friends who live there too. They are not looking for pastures new - they love it in Saint John. I think it is because they travel to the UK a lot to visit relatives - so when they come home they appreciate what they've got.

I went to a Friends Reunited party a couple of years ago. Half my school year have left the north now. My kids are far more likely to sod off elsewhere if I stay where I am.

Originally Posted by iaink

What rubbish. I was a country boy who survived just fine moving to the city. You raise them right and dont drop them on their head too often they will be fine.

There is more of a sense of community and place in my rural area than in any city Ive lived in, and a reasonable amount for kids to do. In a small community if your kids are up to no good, people will notice and care enough to tell you, neighbours look out for neighbours here.

Originally Posted by dbd33

What sorts of things can a teenager do independently in a place where they can't get around without driving ?

Originally Posted by RobinHood

You have just described what will happen if I remain in Yorkshire.

I have spent a lot of time in NB and have 2 (University of New Brunswick educated) friends who live there too. They are not looking for pastures new - they love it in Saint John. I think it is because they travel to the UK a lot to visit relatives - so when they come home they appreciate what they've got.

I went to a Friends Reunited party a couple of years ago. Half my school year have left the north now. My kids are far more likely to sod off elsewhere if I stay where I am.

Originally Posted by RobinHood

I went to a Friends Reunited party a couple of years ago.

Originally Posted by dingbat

Oh dear. It undoubtedly won't improve anything apart from your bank balance if you live mortgage free..but I guess you'll have to experience the joys of NB to understand why I and many others will say that. You may wish to consider that NB being twenty years behind (which is accurate in some ways) puts your kids at a huge disadvantage in the future job market. You are thinking in terms of them experiencing a long gone type of childhood, where kids are living hassle free, playing in the sunny corn fields and all in relative safety. It's a dream. What you have in reality are bored and poorly educated kids, who have been nowhere and done very little, as anyone who tries travelling from NB to the rest of the world will tell you. Kids in certain cheap-to-live Canadian provinces experience limited outside cultural influences, and statistically are more likely to end up into drugs because there is b-all else to do. Those who graduate Grade 12 have to move away if they want a decent University education...and when you have lived here a while you will note with concern that very few ever move back to NB. There is a reason.

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

If I moved to Ontario I'd be in the same situation as you. That's why I'm moving to NB - I want to take it easy - working in schools has shot my nerves Incidentally there were 4 shooting incidents in my town over Xmas - fortunately only one fatal. I think 70 for a metropolis where guns are legal - so close to the States, is quite low. The figures for the northern mill towns (where guns are illegal) are grossly disproportionate to the populations. Add Manchester, Leeds and Bradford to that - and the statistics are quite frightening.

Enough said about Leeds - I'm with you all the way. My cousin got stabbed at a Leeds match in the 1980s (he was a Leeds fan as well). Looks like I missed the point of the thread - I thought we were discussing UK anti-social behaviour and crime etc... I'll get my coat

Originally Posted by or4ngecrush

I think you both have points but in some ways I think the kids where I am are groing up too quickly an are too far ahead they need to slow down. The children I work with at 3 years old are swearing/hitting me they come into school with there heels on boob tubes and mini skirts. What happened to them being children, not mini adults.

Originally Posted by Calgal

Are you SERIOUS? THREE years old in heels and boob tubes??? :scared: That was a typo, right?

Originally Posted by Calgal

Are you SERIOUS? THREE years old in heels and boob tubes??? :scared: That was a typo, right?

Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy

NO
How long since you been to UK???? :scared:

Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy

NO
How long since you been to UK???? :scared:

Originally Posted by or4ngecrush

Good answer Butch Have a drink on me

Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy

Makes me sick the way mothers (in the uk) dress their daughters these days

Originally Posted by dingbat

Hardly the same thing. Moving counties to avoid the elements you may be seeking to avoid is easily done in the UK. Moving from a vast province to another vast province is extremely difficult when your capital is exhausted or tied up in property at today's prices. I am sure you have considered that whilst you may be content with the cultural isolationism in NB, an older child may want to find pastures new as you put it.

Yorkshire is beautiful - very beautiful, I guess I am at a loss to see why anyone would swap everything there (and on the doorstep!) for NB. Oh well, each to their own.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_John,_New_Brunswick for general info, if anyone is interested in NB.