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BristolUK Apr 20th 2018 1:20 am

Re: Why Canada?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12485627)
....plainly there is better public transit in NYC than there is in Canada east of Montreal...

Here in the big apple pip our transit is comparable I'd say. :lol:

Most places are within a few minutes from a bus stop to take you anywhere (transfers included) in the metropolis. :rofl:

dbd33 Apr 20th 2018 1:32 am

Re: Why Canada?
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12485692)
Here in the big apple pip our transit is comparable I'd say. :lol:

Most places are within a few minutes from a bus stop to take you anywhere (transfers included) in the metropolis. :rofl:

A bus network in a snowy place cannot be as good as an underground train network, backed by a bus network, in a place with a more moderate climate. There will be days when the busses don't run. What is the public transit alternative in that case?

dbd33 Apr 20th 2018 1:41 am

Re: Why Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat (Post 12485653)

Oh yes, and it's one of the least multicultural places in Canada. The people are friendly - to me at least. But I'm a White middle aged male so YMMV.

I think southern Ontario might be at the other end of that scale.

We had such a laugh this morning when a Chinese guy was trying to enunciate "flow" to a Peruvian of Japanese descent. A Russian bystander thought he meant "flower", "like in ze garden?" he bellowed, in the manner of a German on Allo Allo. I caught the intended word from the context and offered "no, like a waterfall". There was much gesticulating and noise making. Every day is like this. Future generations of computer systems will be defined by the absence of technical terms involving l or r.

BristolUK Apr 20th 2018 2:21 am

Re: Why Canada?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12485703)
A bus network in a snowy place cannot be as good as an underground train network, backed by a bus network, in a place with a more moderate climate.

Since you appear to be taking my comment seriously, I'll answer seriously.
Yes it can, because it doesn't need backing up by an underground train network. :p

There will be days when the busses don't run. What is the public transit alternative in that case?
There has been no day this winter where the buses didn't run.

A typical winter sees one or two days where the bus service starts a couple of hours late. I wouldn't be surprised if NYC suffered more disruption than that.

Three years ago the buses stopped late morning for the day. That was the nearest to a full day's loss in my time here I believe.

dbd33 Apr 20th 2018 2:38 am

Re: Why Canada?
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12485737)
Since you appear to be taking my comment seriously, I'll answer seriously.
Yes it can, because it doesn't need backing up by an underground train network. :p

There has been no day this winter where the buses didn't run.

A typical winter sees one or two days where the bus service starts a couple of hours late. I wouldn't be surprised if NYC suffered more disruption than that.

Three years ago the buses stopped late morning for the day. That was the nearest to a full day's loss in my time here I believe.

Alright already, Moncton has a fine transit network, envy of the world.

BristolUK Apr 20th 2018 2:45 am

Re: Why Canada?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12485749)
Alright already, Moncton has a fine transit network, envy of the world.

No, it just has a good bus service adequate for its size.

The issue was really your dismissal of a good service, relevant to a place's needs, anywhere east of Montreal.

Howefamily Apr 20th 2018 3:31 am

Re: Why Canada?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12485749)
Alright already, Moncton has a fine transit network, envy of the world.

who's peed in your cornflakes? :blink:

Novocastrian Apr 20th 2018 5:02 am

Re: Why Canada?
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12485753)
No, it just has a good bus service adequate for its size.

.

So, more than one bus stop?

NavyBoy Apr 20th 2018 5:27 am

Re: Why Canada?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12485703)
A bus network in a snowy place cannot be as good as an underground train network, backed by a bus network, in a place with a more moderate climate. There will be days when the busses don't run. What is the public transit alternative in that case?

Depends, here in Ottawa I have never heard of the buses not running. School buses yes, but have been able to get downtown for work via the buses.

I guess there must have been some occasions but asking around most people agree if the busses are not running you 'ant leaving the house and the city will be closed.

Souvy Apr 20th 2018 5:32 am

Re: Why Canada?
 

Originally Posted by NavyBoy (Post 12485859)
Depends, here in Ottawa I have never heard of the buses not running. School buses yes, but have been able to get downtown for work via the buses.

I guess there must have been some occasions but asking around most people agree if the busses are not running you 'ant leaving the house and the city will be closed.

Judging by your username, I think I can guess where you work. Lots of buses go there.

dbd33 Apr 20th 2018 5:54 am

Re: Why Canada?
 

Originally Posted by NavyBoy (Post 12485859)
Depends, here in Ottawa I have never heard of the buses not running. School buses yes, but have been able to get downtown for work via the buses.

I guess there must have been some occasions but asking around most people agree if the busses are not running you 'ant leaving the house and the city will be closed.

The buses didn't run a couple of times during my one winter in Ottawa and one was involved in a collision causing us to have to call a taxi. They're good but it's not like Moncton Transit.

In Toronto it was common for the busses/trams to be stranded because a car would get stuck in the snow and the transit vehicle couldn't go around, more so with trams than busses, admittedly.

Anyway, isn't Ottawa west of Montreal?

Souvy Apr 20th 2018 6:04 am

Re: Why Canada?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12485876)
The buses didn't run a couple of times during my one winter in Ottawa and one was involved in a collision causing us to have to call a taxi. They're good but it's not like Moncton Transit.

In Toronto it was common for the busses/trams to be stranded because a car would get stuck in the snow and the transit vehicle couldn't go around, more so with trams than busses, admittedly.

Anyway, isn't Ottawa west of Montreal?

About 220km west of Montreal.

The garbage guys impress me. Schools closed, Ottawa's bendy buses, well, bending, airport closed...

The garbage truck still shows up. These Lebanese/African immigrants are badasses.

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 20th 2018 6:41 am

Re: Why Canada?
 
The buses and train in Vancouver when it snows has issues usually. Delays mostly but some routes get cancelled.

Particualry the routes up Burnaby mountain.

Skytrain is iffy in snow as well.

BristolUK Apr 20th 2018 7:43 am

Re: Why Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Souvy (Post 12485884)
...The garbage guys impress me. Schools closed, Ottawa's bendy buses, well, bending, airport closed...

The garbage truck still shows up. ...

I feel the same about the newspaper delivery. :lol:

scilly Apr 20th 2018 11:56 am

Re: Why Canada?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12485627)
If you happen to live and work next to the bus stop and you have fixed working hours then public transit is a viable option in urban Canada. It is, however, nonsense to say that it is "tons better than the US", almost everyone in NYC gets to work by public transit, plainly there is better public transit in NYC than there is in Canada east of Montreal. It may be that Vancouver has a single highly organized transit system so that the trams tie in with the subway cars and they cleanly meet the monorail. I doubt that, but even if it did it did it would be arguable whether or not it surpasses BART.

I don't care for the "everything in Canada is better than the US and that's all that counts" narrative but I will concede that public transit in rural Nebraska isn't great.


I live one block from one bus route and about 5 blocks from another, both took / will take me to where I would transfer to my second bus, with less than one block to walk.

Vancouver buses run until ca 1 am or 2 am and re-start at around 5 am, so I was never left without transit home as the latest I would need to get the bus home was about 7 pm ......... most of the time I set my own hours. There are 10 Night Buses that run through the night on certain major routes.

In almost 50 years of using transit here, I can only recall a few occasions when there has been no transit at all, and they were all caused by the union going on strike.

Snow fall and icy conditions can cause problems on some routes even in the city due to steep hills (as in going up Burnaby Mountain) or ice on the trolley wires. But there is usually a way round.

That's buses ............. Skytrain can be even better but it doesn't serve where I need to go.

I wouldn't know about NYC ................. transit in the city where we lived ran from about 6 am to 6 pm, into town and then out again, so it really was like the spokes of a wheel, all change in the centre of town. It was used only by those who had no access to cars and whose hours of work fitted those times. Service was even less or absent on weekends and holidays.


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