why buy "Made in China" ?
Mar 11th 2010, 10:42 pm
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Re: why buy "Made in China" ?
Unions are great; contrary to popular belief they are the free market in action.
Mar 11th 2010, 10:44 pm
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Re: why buy "Made in China" ?
When I was a Prison Officer, I used to belong to the POA. Each year the Home Office would offer a 5% or so pay increase, the POA would get them down to 3% in no time.
Mar 11th 2010, 10:45 pm
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Re: why buy "Made in China" ?
It is very easy for those without "wealth" to point the fingers at those that do and state that they are all bad apples. When people do, it smacks to me of jealousy. Those that have acquired vast wealth, generally, are those that took risks that others weren't prepared to take and the risk came off. I would imagine that, for each such risk taker, there are many that took similar risks that failed. There but for the grace of god and all that.
I don't worship wealth and, I would imagine, most posters on here have more than I do. But I do not envy those with wealth either. I made my choices and I am happy with them, they made their's and, one would assume, they are happy with their's too.
I don't worship wealth and, I would imagine, most posters on here have more than I do. But I do not envy those with wealth either. I made my choices and I am happy with them, they made their's and, one would assume, they are happy with their's too.
Except, a lot of people with vast wealth just inherited it. And are like royal and stuff. So they were good at invading countries and shagging peasants and the like, but it's hard to argue they took business risks.
I didn't state they were all bad apples, I was questioning Alan's idea that all wealth was reinvested in technology, not buying things. This observation was based on working DT and seeing lots of shops of Hermes etc and lots of fancy cars.
As it turned out, that's not what Alan meant, so whatever.
And sure, if someone's made their money, all power to them.
Mar 11th 2010, 10:47 pm
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Re: why buy "Made in China" ?
I am not saying they are or they are not. I just can't see the Asian Tigers embracing them. Just like NuLabour hasn't.
When I was a Prison Officer, I used to belong to the POA. Each year the Home Office would offer a 5% or so pay increase, the POA would get them down to 3% in no time.
When I was a Prison Officer, I used to belong to the POA. Each year the Home Office would offer a 5% or so pay increase, the POA would get them down to 3% in no time.
I disagree. It's not going to come from the elites. It's not like businesses are going to create unions for their staff. It will come from the people, if it needs to.
Mar 11th 2010, 10:47 pm
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YEah yeah yeah. I've read Ayn Rand too.
Except, a lot of people with vast wealth just inherited it. And are like royal and stuff. So they were good at invading countries and shagging peasants and the like, but it's hard to argue they took business risks.
I didn't state they were all bad apples, I was questioning Alan's idea that all wealth was reinvested in technology, not buying things. This observation was based on working DT and seeing lots of shops of Hermes etc and lots of fancy cars.
As it turned out, that's not what Alan meant, so whatever.
And sure, if someone's made their money, all power to them.
Except, a lot of people with vast wealth just inherited it. And are like royal and stuff. So they were good at invading countries and shagging peasants and the like, but it's hard to argue they took business risks.
I didn't state they were all bad apples, I was questioning Alan's idea that all wealth was reinvested in technology, not buying things. This observation was based on working DT and seeing lots of shops of Hermes etc and lots of fancy cars.
As it turned out, that's not what Alan meant, so whatever.
And sure, if someone's made their money, all power to them.
I thought we were talking about corporations and shareholders etc, not the Royal Family.
Mar 11th 2010, 10:48 pm
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Re: why buy "Made in China" ?
Mar 11th 2010, 10:49 pm
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Re: why buy "Made in China" ?
It's hard to say. I suspect that there are several non-cultural reasons why Chinese workers aren't unionized. The fact that it's a buyers market for labour is going to be significant.
Mar 11th 2010, 10:49 pm
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And how will that work? The people are rarely voted into power. The "bad people" will surely change the rules to suit their own needs, ensuring the people will never be able to attain power.
Unless, of course, you are suggesting that a Revolution will occur in the East. I just can't see that.
Mar 11th 2010, 10:50 pm
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Mar 11th 2010, 10:51 pm
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Re: why buy "Made in China" ?
The problem with unions here is the general blurring with government and the fact you are coerced into joining. You shouldn't have to join a union to be a teacher for instance; membership should be attractive enough in it's own right.
Mar 11th 2010, 10:52 pm
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Re: why buy "Made in China" ?
And how will that work? The people are rarely voted into power. The "bad people" will surely change the rules to suit their own needs, ensuring the people will never be able to attain power.
Unless, of course, you are suggesting that a Revolution will occur in the East. I just can't see that.
Unless, of course, you are suggesting that a Revolution will occur in the East. I just can't see that.
Well, you keep not seeing it and I'll remain open minded and we'll see where we are in 50 years 'kay?
Mar 11th 2010, 10:53 pm
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Mar 11th 2010, 10:56 pm
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Re: why buy "Made in China" ?
And how will that work? The people are rarely voted into power. The "bad people" will surely change the rules to suit their own needs, ensuring the people will never be able to attain power.
Unless, of course, you are suggesting that a Revolution will occur in the East. I just can't see that.
Unless, of course, you are suggesting that a Revolution will occur in the East. I just can't see that.
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Mar 11th 2010, 11:10 pm
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Re: why buy "Made in China" ?
And how will that work? The people are rarely voted into power. The "bad people" will surely change the rules to suit their own needs, ensuring the people will never be able to attain power.
Unless, of course, you are suggesting that a Revolution will occur in the East. I just can't see that.
Unless, of course, you are suggesting that a Revolution will occur in the East. I just can't see that.
Mar 11th 2010, 11:24 pm
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Re: why buy "Made in China" ?
How did this turn into a union debate ? Original thread asked when you last bought something "made in china" that was any good.Seems to be going down the "apathy rules" road,well if this is the way you want to go that's fine,but with North American and Canadian manufacturing companies closing on a weekly basis surely it's time to stop buying crap from the far east before ot's too late.
I work in the steel industry and we are under serious threat from cheap imports.Friends back in England who work in quarrying/stone etc are under threat because it is supposedly cheaper to import gravel from Asia(china) than it is to mine the stuff from beneath their feet.Never been a very political person but we are being slowly taken over by these people and it needs to stop.
Anyhow let me ask the question again,when did you last by a product made in China that was any good ?
I work in the steel industry and we are under serious threat from cheap imports.Friends back in England who work in quarrying/stone etc are under threat because it is supposedly cheaper to import gravel from Asia(china) than it is to mine the stuff from beneath their feet.Never been a very political person but we are being slowly taken over by these people and it needs to stop.
Anyhow let me ask the question again,when did you last by a product made in China that was any good ?