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scrubbedexpat091 Oct 5th 2016 10:26 am

Re: When Does Homesickness Kick in?
 

Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 12068354)
You seem a friendly sort of guy to me. ;) I found it was best to just get out there, pubs are always good to strike up a conversation, as long as you dont bring up politics or religion too soon! lol

Take people at face value and not be judgemental unless you really cant put up with their personality, loud mouthed, blunt or arrogant, even then i found you can make exceptions if they have other qualities.

Im a pretty social kind of guy though so it depends on the individual too.

I am just really really shy and quiet so I blend into the background rarely noticed.

scilly Oct 5th 2016 11:32 am

Re: When Does Homesickness Kick in?
 
Like Steve ........... I have never missed the UK

I found that 5 years of university meant that I had seriously moved on and beyond most of my friends from school, many who had left at 15 (bought out for £10 by parents) or 16 after GCEs and gone out to work.

They were, in some ways, more adult than I was at 22 or 23, and in other ways, I had more varied interests. There also is nothing quite like meeting a former classmate of the opposite sex on the street and stopping to chat, and realising that daggers are being directed at you by his female companion.

Sorry, honey, but I wasn't interested in him that way!!!!

But it meant that I found little interest in going back to my home town even during the time I was living elsewhere in England, except to see father and other relations.

Then we discovered in 1975 on our second visit back that our relations were interested in seeing us only if we visited them ......... we'd suggested renting a cottage near the sea for a week to give our toddler "beach time", and that the rellies could visit us. All owned cars and still drove, most were only in their 60s.

But ................ "No way, Jose" was the response.

We had to drive to them, having bored toddler in the car and meeting relations. Luckily, she wasn't too miserable!

By that time, we'd also found that most of our friends from university days had moved elsewhere, mainly to Canada or Australia, in the great exodus of the late 60s and early 70s. We're still in contact with those friends, at least with the ones who are still alive.

I think Canada is also a country of different "sorts", as Millie put it ................... and we know many of them! There is always something else to discover in this great country!

jennellapea Oct 5th 2016 12:16 pm

Re: When Does Homesickness Kick in?
 

Originally Posted by beckiwoo (Post 12064218)
My homesickness comes and goes.

I can't say for sure what can trigger it although around Christmas time it's not so good.

I'm the same, though the longer I stay here the less it happens.

I'm off back home at the end of the month, first time back in almost 2 years. It should be interesting.

jennellapea Oct 5th 2016 12:20 pm

Re: When Does Homesickness Kick in?
 

Originally Posted by scilly (Post 12065038)
Maybe you're living in the wrong place??

We have almost complete recycling here ...... except if you live in an apartment. The managers are slow to get the separated containers and tenants seem to think someone else will do it.

Even condo owners are getting into it.

Internet shopping is common here, and more and more grocery stores are offering the service, and some have always offered "phone in your order, we'll fill it and deliver it".


I'm also not sure what you mean by "proper food". We certainly get proper food here .......... farm fresh veggies and meats, healthy breads, etc etc. Most of the English food I can no longer remember, or wish to remember! Like the overcooked veggies, well done meat, mushy peas, tripe and onions. Maybe the fact that I was a child in the 40s and 50s meant that I was never exposed to "junk" food ....... which in those days meant bought food of any kind.


As for getting nostalgic about a place that no longer exists ..............

5 of my female cousins emigrated to Australia with their families in the early 1960s. One never settled. We spent a lot of time with her in 1975/76, and she was longing to get back to Oldham, the Moors, etc etc.

She didn't remember how dirty the town was, how many of the mills were not working .............. and that had happened even by 1967 when I left.

Then they took a long service leave "home" in the early 1980s ................ and she finally realized that her idealised Oldham and the Moors no longer existed .......... and possibly never had!

She also realized her whole family was in Australia ....... but she insisted that her husband took her ashes back to England and spread them on the Moors after she died in 2003.

I'm from Oldham too!
Only thing I miss there is the chippy! (oh and my Mam & Dad of course).

scilly Oct 5th 2016 12:27 pm

Re: When Does Homesickness Kick in?
 

Originally Posted by jennellapea (Post 12069534)
I'm from Oldham too!
Only thing I miss there is the chippy! (oh and my Mam & Dad of course).

Hi!!

Oldham was still the dirty old mill town when I left for good in 1967. The mills were closing down, but clean up had not begun. We were last back there in 2001.

I went to school at Counthill, in the days when it was brand new, and that was great ............ on the top of a hill, only farms around it, and views for miles.

jennellapea Oct 5th 2016 12:34 pm

Re: When Does Homesickness Kick in?
 

Originally Posted by scilly (Post 12069537)
Hi!!

Oldham was still the dirty old mill town when I left for good in 1967. The mills were closing down, but clean up had not begun. We were last back there in 2001.

I went to school at Counthill, in the days when it was brand new, and that was great ............ on the top of a hill, only farms around it, and views for miles.

I'm younger than you are but I remember all the old abandoned mills. I remember watching Fred Dibnah demolish a few of them when I was a kid in the 90's. Even in the 4 and a half years I've been here it's changed, which is nice for the town. I always felt Oldham was forgotten, when all the other towns were being re-developed it just stood stale.

scilly Oct 5th 2016 12:41 pm

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there seemed to be a lack of enthusiasm for things the last couple of times we were back.


Fred Dibnah??? That name strikes a bell with me. I wonder why??

I was delighted to read that Alexandria Park had been re-vitalised, and the boating lake back in use ......

....... I spent a lot of my childhood days until the age of 11 playing in that park ...... we lived less than 5 minutes away! It was freedom back then ............ left home after breakfast, went back for lunch, then back out again until tea.

We moved to Waterhead when I was 11, and that was like being in a village, but there were several mills down "in the bottom". I think all of those were closed down by the time I left.

scilly Oct 5th 2016 12:51 pm

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Just read up about him!

I remember reading about him somewhere years and years ago.

jennellapea Oct 5th 2016 12:54 pm

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It's changed in the last few years. They got rid of the train tracks and integrated it on to the tram system. They've finally done something with the old town hall too (I'm pretty sure it's a cinema - which the town hasn't had in a number of years).

He used to have shows on the BBC I think. I just remember him from demolishing chimneys.

I didn't know that about Alexandra Park. I didn't go there often, it was really run down as I remember it.

I grew up in Chadderton and moved to Shaw in my late teens. There was a working mill in Shaw until quite recently but they closed it and put up an Asda.

I'm going back at the end of the month, wondering what else has changed in the 2 years since I was last there.

scilly Oct 5th 2016 2:46 pm

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well, I know they demolished Counthill school buildings 2 years ago, as redundant

A new estate was built up all around it, no community buildings. It's still a demolition site according to photos I've seen on FB

Why didn't they renovate the school for community use??


It will be interesting to know how you see the town.


I went back in 1970 when my Dad died, 3 years away, and I got lost in the middle of the town!

They'd demolished some buildings, changed roads around ........ I just stood there and looked amazed, as I tried to find out where I had to go to catch the bus to go see my friend's mother :ohmy:

Stinkypup Oct 5th 2016 2:49 pm

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We rented in Fairfield, Bury and I did an Obs and Gynae job at a Royal Oldham Hospital. Having trained in Manchester, we were used to the old mill towns in the 90s. Oldham was I'm sad to say a tad run diwn, maybe not now. Rochdale similar. Ramsbottom was really smartened up though- nice place now.

We lived in a little miners cottage on the hills in Affetside - our house was in Bury and front garden was in Bolton! Lovely place near Holcombe Moor. No doubt Affetside hasn't changed though the mill towns probably have.Great dog walking area, Wayoh and Entwhistle reservoirs, Tockholes near Darwen was amazing...

scilly Oct 5th 2016 5:38 pm

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Oh dear ...............

I knew Royal Oldham as Oldham and District General Hospital ......... the very earliest parts were Oldham and District Union Workhouse :lol:

I had a horrible experience having my appendix removed in Oldham and District in 1959, a huge ward with over 30 beds in it.

It is famous for being where Louise Brown, first "test tube" baby was born, under Patrick Steptoe. He was well known in Oldham as a first rate gynecologist & Obstetrician, which is why I always remember Louise Brown!

Stinkypup Oct 5th 2016 5:48 pm

Re: When Does Homesickness Kick in?
 

Originally Posted by scilly (Post 12069628)
Oh dear ...............

I knew Royal Oldham as Oldham and District General Hospital ......... the very earliest parts were Oldham and District Union Workhouse :lol:

I had a horrible experience having my appendix removed in Oldham and District in 1959, a huge ward with over 30 beds in it.

It is famous for being where Louise Brown, first "test tube" baby was born, under Patrick Steptoe. He was well known in Oldham as a first rate gynecologist & Obstetrician, which is why I always remember Louise Brown!

Yeah, I was working in the dept of Obs and Gynae and there were large wall did plays of Steptoe . Louise has I gather recently had her own baby there

scilly Oct 5th 2016 6:56 pm

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I once had Steptoe's partner as my gynae doctor ........ and that was where I first really learnt about 2 level medical practices. This was back in 1966, and once again Royal Oldham.

It wasn't me, but a lady on the same ward was diagnosed with uterine cancer ........ Mr whoever (I've completely forgotten his name!!), who hadn't been operating because of a sore throat so we had all been left to the tender mercies of his more or less competent Registrars (I use that phrase advisedly!), told this poor lady that she had a wait of at least 4 months in the NHS, but if she cared to go to his private clinic in Manchester, he could operate on her in 4 days :thumbdown:

I was glad after hearing what he said that he'd told me what I had wrong but refused to do anything because "you are too young".

......... and yes, most of the 12 of us then on the ward did hear what he said because we'd all been moved up to one end of the ward while they painted the walls!

In fact, he turned out to have been wrong with his diagnosis of what was wrong with me ......... but that wasn't found out until 2 or 3 years later, over here.

TrishP Oct 8th 2016 6:57 am

Re: When Does Homesickness Kick in?
 

Originally Posted by ChrisAsh (Post 12064030)
Hey,

Just wondering when homesickness kick in or if it will at all

Been in SK for about 3 months now and haven't felt it once, I thought these first few months would be hell, but its been really really easy.

I've moved out alone, no family came along. I won't be going home for Christmas due to work, so maybe then.

I guess it is different for everyone, feeling pretty lucky so far, maybe I won't even feel it? (That makes me feel a little guilty actually)

11 years here, homesickness kicked in 2 years ago when I became unwell and worsened the more I had to battle with the healthcare system and couldn't help comparing current treatment with previous NHS treatment, which was absolutely brilliant. I also found that the less energy I had, the less able I was to be able to put up with the shallowness of friendships here. I've been feeling less homesick over the past few months since feeling a tad better and energy levels have improved, but it's rearing its head more frequently now to the point where (Canadian) hubby and I have had "the talk" about moving back to the UK and are planning on heading over in 2017 for a recce visit. We don't live anywhere near any of his family, so we're on our own here in Ottawa and flying from the UK to see them would actually be faster than travelling from here.

scrubbedexpat091 Oct 8th 2016 7:47 am

Re: When Does Homesickness Kick in?
 
Seems anything to do with healthcare is a battle here.





Originally Posted by TrishP (Post 12071645)
11 years here, homesickness kicked in 2 years ago when I became unwell and worsened the more I had to battle with the healthcare system and couldn't help comparing current treatment with previous NHS treatment, which was absolutely brilliant. I also found that the less energy I had, the less able I was to be able to put up with the shallowness of friendships here. I've been feeling less homesick over the past few months since feeling a tad better and energy levels have improved, but it's rearing its head more frequently now to the point where (Canadian) hubby and I have had "the talk" about moving back to the UK and are planning on heading over in 2017 for a recce visit. We don't live anywhere near any of his family, so we're on our own here in Ottawa and flying from the UK to see them would actually be faster than travelling from here.


TrishP Oct 8th 2016 8:05 am

Re: When Does Homesickness Kick in?
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12071675)
Seems anything to do with healthcare is a battle here.

Having worked in healthcare both in the UK and Canada for 20 years and been a recipient of services in both countries, I was horrified at the major gaps between services here. I previously managed a couple of programs for seniors here in Ottawa and was very strict with my staff about making sure that no one fell through the cracks, to make sure referrals to other services were completed and followed up until clients were accepted and that clients were kept in the communication loop at all times.
Too much responsibility is placed on the shoulders of sick people here to find out what they're entitled to and having to self-refer onwards for care and chase services providers for basic communication. So many times I was ready to throw in the towel as I hardly had the energy to get out of bed in the morning and what little energy I had was focused on my toddler son.

I gave up my job when I had my son, but can confidently say I will never work in healthcare here in Ontario again, it was too frustrating, too bureaucratic and basically downright inefficient. I'm now in a position where I have to find $20K per annum for a new medication that I will have to take for the rest of my puff!

BristolUK Oct 8th 2016 10:24 am

Re: When Does Homesickness Kick in?
 

Originally Posted by TrishP (Post 12071682)
Too much responsibility is placed on the shoulders of sick people here to find out what they're entitled to and having to self-refer onwards for care and chase services providers for basic communication.

I can relate to that but there are exceptions and I've come across a fair few - usually with doctors' secretaries :nod: and occasionally a service provider - admittedly because their knowledge of what you can get is linked to their ability to make money from it :(

Tell you what though, it doesn't help when people keep repeating the mantra about programs for people on low incomes and putting people off looking for assistance when there are actually schemes (not very well advertised of course) for people not necessarily on low incomes but with high medical expenses :nod: the net effect is similar in that the medical cost can leave you skint.

Siouxie Oct 8th 2016 12:03 pm

Re: When Does Homesickness Kick in?
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12071738)
I can relate to that but there are exceptions and I've come across a fair few - usually with doctors' secretaries :nod: and occasionally a service provider - admittedly because their knowledge of what you can get is linked to their ability to make money from it :(

Tell you what though, it doesn't help when people keep repeating the mantra about programs for people on low incomes and putting people off looking for assistance when there are actually schemes (not very well advertised of course) for people not necessarily on low incomes but with high medical expenses :nod: the net effect is similar in that the medical cost can leave you skint.

https://www.ontario.ca/page/get-help...ion-drug-costs like this one, for instance.

BristolUK Oct 8th 2016 1:29 pm

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Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12071779)
like this one, for instance.

:nod:


What you pay

When your application is approved, the letter you receive will confirm the amount of the annual deductible you’ll need to pay. It will also list all the household members included in the coverage.

A deductible is a set amount towards the cost of your drugs. After you pay that amount, you then pay up to $2 for each drug, per person, that is filled or refilled.

Calculating the deductible


For most people, the deductible for the Trillium Drug Program equals about 3 to 4% of the household income after taxes.
You don't need to be a maths genius to see that even if you're on $60,000 NET pay, you may get some assistance with drugs costs if they are above $2,000 a year.

TrishP Oct 9th 2016 7:56 am

Re: When Does Homesickness Kick in?
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12071798)
:nod:



You don't need to be a maths genius to see that even if you're on $60,000 NET pay, you may get some assistance with drugs costs if they are above $2,000 a year.

My challenge will be getting Trillium to fund one of the 2 meds my doc is thinking of prescribing, as neither are on Trillium's formulary, so I'd be going the exceptional access route.
Anyway, we've gone somewhat off-topic :o

BristolUK Oct 9th 2016 8:20 am

Re: When Does Homesickness Kick in?
 

Originally Posted by TrishP (Post 12072220)
My challenge will be getting Trillium to fund one of the 2 meds my doc is thinking of prescribing, as neither are on Trillium's formulary, so I'd be going the exceptional access route.

Yes, that is a different kettle of fish. My wife needed one for her $7k infusion every 6 weeks. Good luck.

xxdb Dec 25th 2016 5:36 am

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I don't really miss back home except when the economy is >snip< (which is right now).

What I do get though, is about every 3 years or so I'm dying to go back for a few weeks to stuff myself with curry, fish and chips, rolls n bacon etc.

I do miss the comfort foods from back home that I grew up with.

Snowy560 Dec 25th 2016 5:50 am

Re: When Does Homesickness Kick in?
 

Originally Posted by xxdb (Post 12136405)
I don't really miss back home except when the economy is >snip< (which is right now).

What I do get though, is about every 3 years or so I'm dying to go back for a few weeks to stuff myself with curry, fish and chips, rolls n bacon etc.

I do miss the comfort foods from back home that I grew up with.

Great post! Everytime one of us goes back the return suitcase is almost overweight with crisps and chocolate etc.

We are making a trip in July and one daughter's Canadian bf is also coming. She's already lined up to take him to the workers' cafe at the bottom of the road where we used to live for a breakfast!

S

SambaDeAmigo Dec 29th 2016 3:15 pm

Re: When Does Homesickness Kick in?
 
Still waiting

scottishjoe Dec 29th 2016 4:13 pm

Re: When Does Homesickness Kick in?
 
Once you get through the first few weeks and get a job, it never kicks in


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