What's wrong with Canada?
#78
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Re: What's wrong with Canada?
What's wrong?
Most people don't realize until they get here -
if what you are leaving back home is pretty good - then why move - if it is for a better future - well then you have to give it a go and see for yourself.
Canada is a beautiful country - but cold in more than one way.
If you are leaving friends family - you will miss them - more than miss them - that's the #1 reason people return back some after 20-30yrs some even more.
In that time you have lost a lot - especially financially as when you come over here - the pound is doubled - going back well you can imagine - you practically loose -
What can you afford if you go back? even for a visit?
It is not greener on the other side in my opinion
Most people don't realize until they get here -
if what you are leaving back home is pretty good - then why move - if it is for a better future - well then you have to give it a go and see for yourself.
Canada is a beautiful country - but cold in more than one way.
If you are leaving friends family - you will miss them - more than miss them - that's the #1 reason people return back some after 20-30yrs some even more.
In that time you have lost a lot - especially financially as when you come over here - the pound is doubled - going back well you can imagine - you practically loose -
What can you afford if you go back? even for a visit?
It is not greener on the other side in my opinion
#79
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 3,054
Re: What's wrong with Canada?
Phone charges, homeless people, bank charges, crap driving, gangland violence, everywhere shutting early, interventionist government, institutional racism, jobsworth attitude, RCMP corruption, more homeless people.
Had a powder day at whistler on weds which kind of makes up for it all
Had a powder day at whistler on weds which kind of makes up for it all
Last edited by dboy; Feb 28th 2009 at 3:54 pm.
#81
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Re: What's wrong with Canada?
Really. Murder. What are you talking about? Don't fall in with the ranks of the rest of the misinformed on the taser incident - if that is what you referring to. Tragic - but not murder.
#82
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Re: What's wrong with Canada?
Edit to add: I've actually been following this case quite closely - I note that one of the RCMP officers concerned has said that they would do the same again in the circumstances. I find this attitude utterly repellent - they killed an innocent person and they'd do the same again - jeez.
Last edited by Alan2005; Feb 28th 2009 at 4:43 pm.
#83
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Re: What's wrong with Canada?
Prosecute for what? Crown Counsel - not the police noted their was no criminal wrong doing on the part of the police -murder - there was no intent to kill.
The taser is designed to take control without harm. The members never expected that to happen. I think the problem may be limited research in to the taser devices and that should be the focus and not the actions of the police.
I agree that the members could have taken a little longer to reason with the guy, but really you don't want to have a melt down at an airport in this day and age. Have you seen how he was behaving? The use of force was appropriate. Period.
Before tasers we had .............. let me think oh yes big sticks. I've personally seen tazers save lives .... i tasered a guy who was high on meth and was stabbing himself we were able to stop him from killing himself.
Anyway we are off topic from the thread.
#84
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Re: What's wrong with Canada?
WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE - Where is the outcry for our members that are murdered every year?
Prosecute for what? Crown Counsel - not the police noted their was no criminal wrong doing on the part of the police -murder - there was no intent to kill.
The taser is designed to take control without harm. The members never expected that to happen. I think the problem may be limited research in to the taser devices and that should be the focus and not the actions of the police.
I agree that the members could have taken a little longer to reason with the guy, but really you don't want to have a melt down at an airport in this day and age. Have you seen how he was behaving? The use of force was appropriate. Period.
Before tasers we had .............. let me think oh yes big sticks. I've personally seen tazers save lives .... i tasered a guy who was high on meth and was stabbing himself we were able to stop him from killing himself.
Anyway we are off topic from the thread.
Prosecute for what? Crown Counsel - not the police noted their was no criminal wrong doing on the part of the police -murder - there was no intent to kill.
The taser is designed to take control without harm. The members never expected that to happen. I think the problem may be limited research in to the taser devices and that should be the focus and not the actions of the police.
I agree that the members could have taken a little longer to reason with the guy, but really you don't want to have a melt down at an airport in this day and age. Have you seen how he was behaving? The use of force was appropriate. Period.
Before tasers we had .............. let me think oh yes big sticks. I've personally seen tazers save lives .... i tasered a guy who was high on meth and was stabbing himself we were able to stop him from killing himself.
Anyway we are off topic from the thread.
#85
Joined: Dec 2008
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Re: What's wrong with Canada?
Absolutely no way was the use of the taser appropriate. (Especially 5 TIMES) Nor was the behaviour of the officers. Please go back and refer to the official statements from the RCMP before the video was released, in which they lied incredibly about the whole incident from beginning to end. After 34 years in this country, this incident is the first time I have felt shame.
What had the members stockpiled him and killed him? Would they then be critiziced for not using the tazer to take control him without pain or injury as the tazer is supposed to do? I think there are a lot of questions that need to be answered about the devices - i certainly was not told that they could kill when i had one.
I agree the video looks bad - violence always does. Hindsight is 20 20. Police assess situations with the view of taking control in the context of police and public safety. We don't go work to fight or kill people. We (that is the police) go into situations to take control.
I don't know what I would have done in their shoes, but the taser was certainly an appropriate option.
Did the officers lie? Don't know, or were they mistaken. These members lives have been ruined by a public who paint them as killers- they were trying to do what they are paid to do - serve and protect.
The whole thing is a tragedy for everyone - but to call these guys murders...
We all know the name of Robert Dzikanski .. but who knows the name of Cst. Scott? Now that's murder:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew..._name=&no_ads=
Last edited by dboy; Feb 28th 2009 at 5:41 pm.
#87
Re: What's wrong with Canada?
So, when did you become an expert on police use of force?
What had the members stockpiled him and killed him? Would they then be critiziced for not using the tazer to take control him without pain or injury as the tazer is supposed to do? I think there are a lot of questions that need to be answered about the devices - i certainly was not told that they could kill when i had one.
I agree the video looks bad - violence always does. Hindsight is 20 20. Police assess situations with the view of taking control in the context of police and public safety. We don't go work to fight or kill people. We (that is the police) go into situations to take control.
I don't know what I would have done in their shoes, but the taser was certainly an appropriate option.
Did the officers lie? Don't know, or were they mistaken. These members lives have been ruined by a public who paint them as killers- they were trying to do what they are paid to do - serve and protect.
The whole thing is a tragedy for everyone - but to call these guys murders...
What had the members stockpiled him and killed him? Would they then be critiziced for not using the tazer to take control him without pain or injury as the tazer is supposed to do? I think there are a lot of questions that need to be answered about the devices - i certainly was not told that they could kill when i had one.
I agree the video looks bad - violence always does. Hindsight is 20 20. Police assess situations with the view of taking control in the context of police and public safety. We don't go work to fight or kill people. We (that is the police) go into situations to take control.
I don't know what I would have done in their shoes, but the taser was certainly an appropriate option.
Did the officers lie? Don't know, or were they mistaken. These members lives have been ruined by a public who paint them as killers- they were trying to do what they are paid to do - serve and protect.
The whole thing is a tragedy for everyone - but to call these guys murders...
#88
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Re: What's wrong with Canada?
It is certainly waaaay over the top to describe these officers as murderers. If they were intent on killing they would have used their guns. The whole point of the tazer is that it is supposed to be non-lethal.
#89
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 14,227
Re: What's wrong with Canada?
Partly
Absolutely no way was the use of the taser appropriate. (Especially 5 TIMES) Nor was the behaviour of the officers. Please go back and refer to the official statements from the RCMP before the video was released, in which they lied incredibly about the whole incident from beginning to end. After 34 years in this country, this incident is the first time I have felt shame.
We all know the name of Robert Dzikanski .. but who knows the name of Cst. Scott? Now that's murder:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew..._name=&no_ads=
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew..._name=&no_ads=
On the subject of tasers - they should just be outlawed. If you must be armed, stick with guns - everyone knows they kill so they won't be used so indiscriminately.