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Pine Cone Oct 13th 2015 2:01 pm

What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 
What are the top 5 things you dislike about life in Ontario?

Exclusions - the price of cheese and wine, coz I'd buy them anyway :drinkingwine:

Would/will any of those 5 things see you leaving Canada eventually, or moving to a different province?

Jsmth321 Oct 13th 2015 2:03 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 
I don't live there any longer, and I don't have 5 things as I wasn't there long enough but:

1) It was a little too cold for my liking in the winter.

2) It was a little too humid in the late summer I lived there. (Moved late in the summer)

3) Milk came in bags for some weird reason.


If it had worked out there, I probably would have stayed though, bigger province, more choices, more stuff to do, hardly ever bored, better transportation system compared to BC, Via Rail actually has multiple per day train routes, people were friendlier/easier to make friends.

dbd33 Oct 13th 2015 2:16 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 
  1. They metrified the milk but didn't retrofit the jugs so now the plastic bag sags over the side of the jug and milk spills everywhere.
  2. Terrible driving is the norm.
  3. Life is highly regulated, permits and licenses are needed for every activity known to mankind. Lots of taxes and fees are involved.
  4. Winter is too long.
  5. The buildings are ugly and squished together.
  6. There's no ocean.
I expect 6 will be the reason for leaving.

Pizzawheel Oct 13th 2015 2:38 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 
I have few dislikes and no deal-breakers about living in Ontario. Working is another matter. Wee bit too hot and humid at times in summer, but I can live with that. Wish the shinny season was longer. Wish there was more social (non-league) cricket. Wish there were more twisties for scratching. Erm... price of cheese and wine?

BristolUK Oct 13th 2015 3:01 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 
Not that I live there but similar stuff applies

Too much snow
Too much winter
Too much ice
Too much humidity

I am I said Oct 13th 2015 3:19 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 
1] too hot in the summer 2] too cold/slushy in the winter 3] too much traffic in southern Ontario 4] too far to drive [and point 3] to get to the more isolated parts of Canada 5] too many mosquitos/black flies

I am I said Oct 13th 2015 3:21 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 11770768)
6 There's no ocean.I expect 6 will be the reason for leaving.

would living next to Lake Superior do?

Gozit Oct 13th 2015 3:28 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 
I've grown up here.

-I hate the winter. 7 months of shit weather, 2.5 months of decent, and only 2 months of "proper" summer, and even that doesn't get that hot, coming from the Med.

-Not enough sunlight

-Most people put up too much of a front, everything is about fake small talk with them, and when you try to discuss something of relevance (politics, lifestyle choices, higher education, world issues, travel, etc) they sway it back because they get uncomfortable

-The obsession with hockey/the toronto maple leafs

-There is no distinct culture

-the lakewater is cold, gross and muddy 100% of the time, and almost every native Ontarian thinks its just "awesome". After having seen/swam in the Mediterranean sea and the Caribbean sea, I won't go near it. :lol:

The weather will likely be my reason to leave. I just can't stand the winter months, and as of late we don't even get rewarded with proper hot days where we can enjoy the pool and hang out outside. I actually really enjoy temperatures of about 26c-35c and we don't get that here very often.

Gozit Oct 13th 2015 3:29 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 

Originally Posted by I am I said (Post 11770828)
would living next to Lake Superior do?

He said ocean. ;)

dbd33 Oct 13th 2015 3:53 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 

Originally Posted by I am I said (Post 11770828)
would living next to Lake Superior do?

It's attractive in some ways, though I seem to fund the town of Blind River with speeding ticket money, but not quite the same thing.

I am I said Oct 13th 2015 5:02 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 

Originally Posted by Gozit (Post 11770838)
He said ocean. ;)

yep, but Superior is ocean-like [well, different fish/taste]. Ask Gordon Lightfoot.

JamesM Oct 13th 2015 5:13 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 

Originally Posted by Pine Cone (Post 11770759)
What are the top 5 things you dislike about life in Ontario?

Exclusions - the price of cheese and wine, coz I'd buy them anyway :drinkingwine:

Would/will any of those 5 things see you leaving Canada eventually, or moving to a different province?

1/ Lack of choice in job market

2/ Crap wages

3/ Provincial (effects the first two)

4/ People are provincial minded

5/ Shit driving

Outside of all that I don't mind the place. The winters aren't too bad when you live in Toronto and I like the snowboarding.

MarylandNed Oct 13th 2015 7:00 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 

Originally Posted by Gozit (Post 11770836)
-Not enough sunlight

That depends on what you're comparing it to. Toronto gets over 2000 hours of sunshine per year. London (UK) gets under 1500 hours of sunshine per year. Toronto beats Hastings and Eastbourne who both claim to be the sunniest places in the UK.

BristolUK Oct 13th 2015 7:18 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 

Originally Posted by I am I said (Post 11770921)
Ask Gordon Lightfoot.

Neil Diamond and now Gordon Lightfoot.

I spy a pattern :lol:

dbd33 Oct 13th 2015 7:24 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 

Originally Posted by MarylandNed (Post 11770996)
That depends on what you're comparing it to.

Valletta, of course, which has 2957 hours per year.

Pizzawheel Oct 13th 2015 7:36 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 
Hmmmmm... -I hate the winter. 7 months of shit weather, 2.5 months of decent, and only 2 months of "proper" summer, and even that doesn't get that hot, coming from the Med. I think the weather is great here. I don't really like heat and I don't do "hanging round" in the sun, I get bored after 5 minutes or so. My comparisons are Botswana (pretty good weather) and coastal Nigeria (F*%^*^&% terrible). -Not enough sunlight I miss the long summer evenings of London, appreciate the longer winter days, so this is a wash. -Most people put up too much of a front, everything is about fake small talk with them, and when you try to discuss something of relevance (politics, lifestyle choices, higher education, world issues, travel, etc) they sway it back because they get uncomfortable Some subjects are best kept for friends- politics and religion being two of them. -The obsession with hockey/the toronto maple leafs Beats soccer. -There is no distinct culture It's noticeable different from the UK. Hard to spot your "home" culture- it's the default which makes everywhere else different. -the lakewater is cold, gross and muddy 100% of the time, and almost every native Ontarian thinks its just "awesome". After having seen/swam in the Mediterranean sea and the Caribbean sea, I won't go near it. :lol: Freshwater swimming! I also find Lake Ontario pretty clean. Maybe my bar is low. Certainly yet to see any dead bodies etc in there.

Simon Legree Oct 13th 2015 7:40 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 11771019)
Valletta, of course, which has 2957 hours per year.

Or where I am headed tomorrow until April, Yuma, AZ, the sunniest place of all. Don't know how many hours but about 360 days a year ! :thumbup:

Oink Oct 13th 2015 7:42 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 
Unless one had procured an amazing job or career advancement I can't see for the life of me see anyone would choose to live in Ontario. It just seems devoid of anything pleasant to the human condition.

dbd33 Oct 13th 2015 7:44 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 11771032)
It just seems devoid of anything pleasant to the human condition.

Massage parlours.

Oink Oct 13th 2015 7:53 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 11771037)
Massage parlours.

You'd naffing need them. ;)

Pizzawheel Oct 13th 2015 8:06 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 
OK so what do I need to do to fix the formatting issue? My answer to Gozit above is incomprehensible (because of the formatting). Oink- do a stint in Lagos. Then everywhere outside of an actual warzone seems nice.

not2old Oct 13th 2015 8:50 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 

Originally Posted by Pine Cone (Post 11770759)
What are the top 5 things you dislike about life in Ontario?

I can only give you three

1. at my age its the climate, that for 9 months a year totally sucks

2. Property taxes that are way too high.

3. Utilities, which are way too high



Would/will any of those things see you leaving Canada eventually, or moving to a different province?
yes, all three. Plan is within [hopefully] the next 24 months when my 96 year old FIL pops his clogs - the sooner the better

Since you have started many threads with lots of posts & questions on life & things in Canada

What are the top 5 things you dislike about life in Sydney NSW, Australia, that makes you want to leave it to move to another country?

Exclude the adventure or giving the kids a better view of the world, or trying to find a place that you think may be better than OZ, NZ, UK?

Exclude the comparison of building structures or any comparison to Canada, OZ, NZ or the UK

And why do you think Canada would give you what you want in life?

.

Piff Poff Oct 13th 2015 9:46 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 11770768)
  1. They metrified the milk but didn't retrofit the jugs so now the plastic bag sags over the side of the jug and milk spills everywhere.
  2. Terrible driving is the norm.
  3. Life is highly regulated, permits and licenses are needed for every activity known to mankind. Lots of taxes and fees are involved.
  4. Winter is too long.
  5. The buildings are ugly and squished together.
  6. There's no ocean.
I expect 6 will be the reason for leaving.


Your number 6 interests me as one of the big reasons for us to leave AB is the lack of a big body of water, does a massive lack not fulfill the ocean experience?

Gozit Oct 13th 2015 9:50 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 11771032)
Unless one had procured an amazing job or career advancement I can't see for the life of me see anyone would choose to live in Ontario. It just seems devoid of anything pleasant to the human condition.

+1, to be honest. I don't see any appeal of living here except for the fact that barring 6 significant ones that live in Malta and Qatar, all of the family I actually have a relationship with lives here. That's the only thing i'm considering when making my decision to leave. Basically means I won't leave until I know I can afford to visit / take time off for them to visit me.


Originally Posted by Pizzawheel (Post 11771063)
OK so what do I need to do to fix the formatting issue? My answer to Gozit above is incomprehensible (because of the formatting). Oink- do a stint in Lagos. Then everywhere outside of an actual warzone seems nice.

Its a site wide issue ATM. Shoot BEVS a PM and see if she can do anything, if not AFAIK there is a thread somewhere in the vast land of BE about it.

Jsmth321 Oct 13th 2015 10:34 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 

Originally Posted by Gozit (Post 11770836)
I've grown up here.

-I hate the winter. 7 months of shit weather, 2.5 months of decent, and only 2 months of "proper" summer, and even that doesn't get that hot, coming from the Med.

-Not enough sunlight

-Most people put up too much of a front, everything is about fake small talk with them, and when you try to discuss something of relevance (politics, lifestyle choices, higher education, world issues, travel, etc) they sway it back because they get uncomfortable

-The obsession with hockey/the toronto maple leafs

-There is no distinct culture

-the lakewater is cold, gross and muddy 100% of the time, and almost every native Ontarian thinks its just "awesome". After having seen/swam in the Mediterranean sea and the Caribbean sea, I won't go near it. :lol:

The weather will likely be my reason to leave. I just can't stand the winter months, and as of late we don't even get rewarded with proper hot days where we can enjoy the pool and hang out outside. I actually really enjoy temperatures of about 26c-35c and we don't get that here very often.

The sunshine point is really relative to what your used to, I found Ontario to be a sunshine paradise in winter, but of course we have a lot of gray gloomy days in this part of Canada in winter with sunshine lacking for a couple weeks at a time some winters.

Toronto gets a bit of longer days in Winter as well compared to Vancouver.

First day of winter Toronto 7:48am/4:43pm

" " Vancouver 8:05am/4:16pm


We probably get a bit more sunshine in summer though.... ;)

Jsmth321 Oct 13th 2015 10:41 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 

Originally Posted by Simon Legree (Post 11771031)
Or where I am headed tomorrow until April, Yuma, AZ, the sunniest place of all. Don't know how many hours but about 360 days a year ! :thumbup:

313 days.....;) But sure beats most of Canada most likely... But certainly the best place in AZ and probably the US for sun and lack of rain.

Annual Days of Sunshine in Arizona - Current Results

San Diego is pretty good at 263 days.

dbd33 Oct 13th 2015 10:43 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 

Originally Posted by Piff Poff (Post 11771123)
Your number 6 interests me as one of the big reasons for us to leave AB is the lack of a big body of water, does a massive lack not fulfill the ocean experience?

Lake Ontario is good for sailing, Superior better, but the former lacks a scenic coast line, both lack the taste of salt on the wind and the crashing of waves on the sand. There's commercial traffic on the great lakes but no fishing fleets and no catch of the day. The lake coast tends to be privately owned and densely populated so, even in winter, there's no sense of isolation, no wildness. It depends then on whether you want your ocean experience to have a romance to it or just to be cold and wet and a bit smelly. Lake Ontario does offer cold and wet and smelly.

magnumpi Oct 13th 2015 11:08 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 
Guns n Gangs n Guns n Cops

Permits

Drive clean and tax on private purchased car

Kathleen Wynne

Tail gaiters (NASCAR wanabees)

Novocastrian Oct 13th 2015 11:21 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 

Originally Posted by Pine Cone (Post 11770759)
What are the top 5 things you dislike about life in Ontario?

Would/will any of those 5 things see you leaving Canada eventually, or moving to a different province?

1) Truly awful architecture
2) The prohibitive cost of going anywhere worth visiting
3) Cradles and their parochial attitudes to absolutely everything.
4) Summer
5) Winter

Did I mention winter?

Gozit Oct 14th 2015 12:14 am

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11771153)
The sunshine point is really relative to what your used to, I found Ontario to be a sunshine paradise in winter, but of course we have a lot of gray gloomy days in this part of Canada in winter with sunshine lacking for a couple weeks at a time some winters.

Toronto gets a bit of longer days in Winter as well compared to Vancouver.

First day of winter Toronto 7:48am/4:43pm

" " Vancouver 8:05am/4:16pm


We probably get a bit more sunshine in summer though.... ;)

Yeah you're right there, London (ON) has 286 sunlight days / year on average, Malta has 300.

Maybe its just nostalgia/the "high" you get from being on vacation or whatever, but I always find the sun more intense and present there vs here, always chalked it up to distance from the equator. (Canada very far away, Malta fairly close) (ie, I can walk around without sunglasses if I have to in ON, while in MLT I am shielding my eyes :lol:)

Personally here I find a good number of the days are gray and gloomy than not, but I would find that in the Maltese winter, too. But then you're talking about it being 15c there and -15 here, which helps. ;)


Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 11771163)
Lake Ontario is good for sailing, Superior better, but the former lacks a scenic coast line, both lack the taste of salt on the wind and the crashing of waves on the sand. There's commercial traffic on the great lakes but no fishing fleets and no catch of the day. The lake coast tends to be privately owned and densely populated so, even in winter, there's no sense of isolation, no wildness. It depends then on whether you want your ocean experience to have a romance to it or just to be cold and wet and a bit smelly. Lake Ontario does offer cold and wet and smelly.

The "a bit smelly" kills it for me every single time. I can't stand that awful smell.

bats Oct 14th 2015 12:32 am

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 

Originally Posted by magnumpi (Post 11771183)

Tail gaiters (NASCAR wanabees)

teehee, is that somewhat like leg gaiters.

Ok. My dislikes apply to rural Ontario mostly

Racism masquerading as Proud Canadianitis
Proud Canadianitis
Lack of decent fruit and veg apart from three months in the summer
Lack of decent ethnic food
Crap drivers
Watching the tide come in.
Paying for prescriptions

Tirytory Oct 14th 2015 12:39 am

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 
I quite like it here but my dislikes include:-

1. HST on top of sale price:sneaky: just include it already.
2. Lack of ethnic food.
3. The word Awesome.
4. Politics here as bad as they were back home if not worse.
5. Winter lasts forever or it feels like it...

BristolUK Oct 14th 2015 1:10 am

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 

Originally Posted by Tirytory (Post 11771243)
I quite like it here...

Awesome!

:rofl::rofl:

It may be a myth but I like the John Wayne tale.

Cast as a Roman centurion in The Greatest Story Ever Told, his single line was, "truly this man was the son of God." It was suggested he "try it with a little awe."

"Aw, truly this man was the son of God."

BEVS Oct 14th 2015 1:17 am

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 11771261)
Awesome!

:rofl::rofl:

Argh ! *Sticks fingers in ears*

Everything is also 'awesome' here.

Broke your leg? Awesome.

It's a sunny day? Awesome.

Piff Poff Oct 14th 2015 1:25 am

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 11771163)
Lake Ontario is good for sailing, Superior better, but the former lacks a scenic coast line, both lack the taste of salt on the wind and the crashing of waves on the sand. There's commercial traffic on the great lakes but no fishing fleets and no catch of the day. The lake coast tends to be privately owned and densely populated so, even in winter, there's no sense of isolation, no wildness. It depends then on whether you want your ocean experience to have a romance to it or just to be cold and wet and a bit smelly. Lake Ontario does offer cold and wet and smelly.

Hmm, thanks for that, I get what your saying, I think its Lake Erie that we're looking at, that and the coast line all over the UK, at the moemnt we are just throwing darts:rofl:

jandro Oct 14th 2015 3:33 am

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 
My dislikes:

Freezing cold winters although they seem milder than years ago.
Hot muggy sem-tropical summers with air quality warnings.
High car insurance
Pot holes everywhere
Sprawling suburbs and strip malls that are centered around cars (although that's Canada-wide)


If you want ocean you've got James Bay and Hudson Bay. Moose Factory anyone?

I am I said Oct 14th 2015 9:18 am

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 11771163)
Lake Ontario is good for sailing, Superior better, but the former lacks a scenic coast line, both lack the taste of salt on the wind and the crashing of waves on the sand. There's commercial traffic on the great lakes but no fishing fleets and no catch of the day. The lake coast tends to be privately owned and densely populated so, even in winter, there's no sense of isolation, no wildness. It depends then on whether you want your ocean experience to have a romance to it or just to be cold and wet and a bit smelly. Lake Ontario does offer cold and wet and smelly.

I agree with the above for Ontario and Erie. The north shore of Superior is a different, er, kettle of fish? But not much there for a family or work.

dbd33 Oct 14th 2015 1:24 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 
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Originally Posted by I am I said (Post 11771389)
I agree with the above for Ontario and Erie. The north shore of Superior is a different, er, kettle of fish? But not much there for a family or work.

Self. North Shore. 2005. We camped on the beach. The shoreline is less crowded than that of Erie or Ontario. It's attractive in a Group of Seven kind of way; rocks, evergreen trees, nice sunrises and sunsets. It's cold and there's a lot of snow. Retired people are stacked in disused mines and gravel pits at Kirkland Lake, their presence with their Buicks and Caddy's combined with the many abandoned farms, give the area an end-of-the-world feeling.I'd say it's Chernobylesque.

Pizzawheel Oct 14th 2015 2:45 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 
Where is this smell? Is it that I live so close to the lake that I've grown used to it? Also, salt water up the nose. Freshwater is GREAT.

macadian Oct 14th 2015 2:49 pm

Re: What do you dislike about living in Ontario?
 
This Provincial Governments fiscal incompetence...


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