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Pulaski Nov 5th 2017 4:37 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by vikingsail (Post 12375250)
But what if he had not said he was the husband how would you have known then? ....

Sooner or later, and usually sooner, one of them slips up with he/she, husband/ wife, visa applicant/sponsor, or some other inconsistency of meaning or explanation. It rarely takes more than a few posts for a couple to trip themselves up. :nod:

Jerseygirl Nov 5th 2017 5:00 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 
Please can we get this thread :focus:

frenchie82 Nov 5th 2017 5:04 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12375292)
Please can we get this thread :focus:

:thumbsup:

frenchie82 Nov 5th 2017 7:52 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by Yorkiechef (Post 12374823)
Honestly, I thing that is good salary, many immigrants would trade with you in an instant. If you are really good at your job, you will be able to negotiate your salary, to have a car thrown in too is a huge bonus, insurance and stuff to go with that is crazy expensive here, so good for you for getting that perk. It is quite unusual to get that in Canada.

Seriously though, don't try too hard to get the deal of the century until you are established, if you can integrate and be of such importance that you are irreplaceable, then you can ask for more, but don't destroy your hopes of the new life before you have made it here. Struggle by with what you have, which I am sure you will manage and then play your hand when you are in a position to negotiate. Good luck.

Many thanks for that!

Siouxie Nov 5th 2017 9:09 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 
Although I asked earlier, you didn't respond - so are you intending on buying a property when you come over on a temporary work permit? (perhaps you didn't see my posts?)

I would strongly suggest that you ascertain if you would be able to apply successfully for Permanent Residency before considering buying a house.

I'd also suggest renting, regardless, until you get to know the different areas, commuting distances and where it is you might want to live permanently.

:)

frenchie82 Nov 6th 2017 6:54 am

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12375472)
Although I asked earlier, you didn't respond - so are you intending on buying a property when you come over on a temporary work permit? (perhaps you didn't see my posts?)

I would strongly suggest that you ascertain if you would be able to apply successfully for Permanent Residency before considering buying a house.

I'd also suggest renting, regardless, until you get to know the different areas, commuting distances and where it is you might want to live permanently.

:)

Sorry must have missed that post. No we wouldn't buy straight away, it would be in the future once we have permanent residency and once we have decided where we would like to buy. Ideally will want to rent where we want to buy as not keen on moving children's school again once we are over there.

Yes we have spoken to an agent a few times and under the impression that we can apply for PR under the provincial nomination scheme. We Would start the ball rolling with this as soon as is possible once there. A lot of the Canadian team out there are Brits who went out on the intra transfer scheme and are now permanent residents also.

christmasoompa Nov 6th 2017 10:13 am

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by frenchie82 (Post 12375742)
Yes we have spoken to an agent a few times and under the impression that we can apply for PR under the provincial nomination scheme. We Would start the ball rolling with this as soon as is possible once there. A lot of the Canadian team out there are Brits who went out on the intra transfer scheme and are now permanent residents also.

The PNP is quite onerous on the company in Ontario and also costs them quite a bit (unlike other PNP's where it's free to apply and often can be done without the employers help), so do make sure you have it written in to your contract before moving that they're happy to support that if that's the way you wish to go.

HTH.

DandNHill Nov 7th 2017 12:10 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 
I like Kitchener better than Guelph. You get more for your money too there. The OPs are right that they could get something for less than $400,000 although it might be stuck in the 70s!

iaink Nov 9th 2017 2:39 am

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12375292)
Please can we get this thread :focus:

I would not move to the GTA with a family of 4 for 80k unless I was heavily motivated by canadian (or north american) lifestyle factors. Its going to be hard to buy and maintain a place plus pay for family activities, child care etc on that level of income in whats loosely the "Greater Toronto Area". Sure there are people that get by on less, and good on them, but do you want to move continents in order to clip coupons to keep your grocery bill in check?

I was on a similar level of income out in the (cheaper) eastern ontario wastelands, and by the time bills were paid and kids activities paid for lets say we were not exactly packing the savings accounts to pay for trips back to see Grandad, or more practically to pay for college tuition for the kids.

Long story short I'm about to take up a job in the US that pays significantly more in the hope that its worth the level of family upheaval that its going to create.

R I C H Nov 9th 2017 2:51 am

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 12378138)
Long story short I'm about to take up a job in the US that pays significantly more in the hope that its worth the level of family upheaval that its going to create.

Good luck and best wishes for the move :thumbup:

christmasoompa Nov 9th 2017 6:04 am

Re: What is a decent salary?
 
IAIN!!!!!!!! Oh my days, how lovely to see you back. :thumbsup:


Originally Posted by iaink (Post 12378138)
Long story short I'm about to take up a job in the US that pays significantly more in the hope that its worth the level of family upheaval that its going to create.

Best of luck, I'm sure it will be, whereabouts are you heading to? Hope it all goes really well.

dbd33 Nov 9th 2017 11:47 am

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 12378138)
I would not move to the GTA with a family of 4 for 80k unless I was heavily motivated by canadian (or north american) lifestyle factors. Its going to be hard to buy and maintain a place plus pay for family activities, child care etc on that level of income in whats loosely the "Greater Toronto Area". Sure there are people that get by on less, and good on them, but do you want to move continents in order to clip coupons to keep your grocery bill in check?

I was on a similar level of income out in the (cheaper) eastern ontario wastelands, and by the time bills were paid and kids activities paid for lets say we were not exactly packing the savings accounts to pay for trips back to see Grandad, or more practically to pay for college tuition for the kids.

Long story short I'm about to take up a job in the US that pays significantly more in the hope that its worth the level of family upheaval that its going to create.

Good luck mate, I hope the job's not in Florida, Mississippi or Louisiana.

BristolUK Nov 9th 2017 11:55 am

Re: What is a decent salary?
 
You very nearly made three years away :eek:

Atlantic Xpat Nov 9th 2017 12:22 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12378389)
Good luck mate, I hope the job's not in Florida, Mississippi or Louisiana.

I rather liked visiting Lafayette Louisiana frequently. (I had people reporting to me down there). People were great. Bloody hot though and of course gun ownership is endemic.

dbd33 Nov 9th 2017 12:33 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat (Post 12378405)
I rather liked visiting Lafayette Louisiana frequently. (I had people reporting to me down there). People were great. Bloody hot though and of course gun ownership is endemic.

We had a client in Metairie for years and, of course, there were umpteen conferences in New Orleans. I always had a good time, even when I had to wear a suit in July. But I'm past the point at which I'm gonna get educated, I wouldn't take children to live there (nor dogs or horses but that's another story).

Shard Nov 9th 2017 3:00 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 12378138)
I would

Long story short I'm about to take up a job in the US that pays significantly more in the hope that its worth the level of family upheaval that its going to create.

Hello Stranger ! :thumbup:

Howefamily Nov 9th 2017 3:35 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 12378138)
I would not move to the GTA with a family of 4 for 80k unless I was heavily motivated by canadian (or north american) lifestyle factors. Its going to be hard to buy and maintain a place plus pay for family activities, child care etc on that level of income in whats loosely the "Greater Toronto Area". Sure there are people that get by on less, and good on them, but do you want to move continents in order to clip coupons to keep your grocery bill in check?

I was on a similar level of income out in the (cheaper) eastern ontario wastelands, and by the time bills were paid and kids activities paid for lets say we were not exactly packing the savings accounts to pay for trips back to see Grandad, or more practically to pay for college tuition for the kids.

Long story short I'm about to take up a job in the US that pays significantly more in the hope that its worth the level of family upheaval that its going to create.

hurrah, you are back!!!:thumbup:

DandNHill Nov 9th 2017 3:50 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 12378138)
I would not move to the GTA with a family of 4 for 80k unless I was heavily motivated by canadian (or north american) lifestyle factors. Its going to be hard to buy and maintain a place plus pay for family activities, child care etc on that level of income in whats loosely the "Greater Toronto Area". Sure there are people that get by on less, and good on them, but do you want to move continents in order to clip coupons to keep your grocery bill in check?

I was on a similar level of income out in the (cheaper) eastern ontario wastelands, and by the time bills were paid and kids activities paid for lets say we were not exactly packing the savings accounts to pay for trips back to see Grandad, or more practically to pay for college tuition for the kids.

Long story short I'm about to take up a job in the US that pays significantly more in the hope that its worth the level of family upheaval that its going to create.

Are you just passing through or are you here to stay? Or worse... will you be defecting to the US boards? Eek!!!

Nice to see you! :welcome:

Siouxie Nov 9th 2017 4:07 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 12378138)
I would not move to the GTA with a family of 4 for 80k unless I was heavily motivated by canadian (or north american) lifestyle factors. Its going to be hard to buy and maintain a place plus pay for family activities, child care etc on that level of income in whats loosely the "Greater Toronto Area". Sure there are people that get by on less, and good on them, but do you want to move continents in order to clip coupons to keep your grocery bill in check?

I was on a similar level of income out in the (cheaper) eastern ontario wastelands, and by the time bills were paid and kids activities paid for lets say we were not exactly packing the savings accounts to pay for trips back to see Grandad, or more practically to pay for college tuition for the kids.

Long story short I'm about to take up a job in the US that pays significantly more in the hope that its worth the level of family upheaval that its going to create.

Woohoooo!!!! Good to see you again - we've missed you!

Hopefully you will be hanging around... would be great if you did.. :fingerscrossed:

Congrats on the new job!

:)

Pulaski Nov 9th 2017 4:32 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by DandNHill (Post 12378557)
Are you just passing through or are you here to stay? Or worse... will you be defecting to the US boards? Eek!!! ....

:frown:

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 12378138)
..... Long story short I'm about to take up a job in the US that pays significantly more in the hope that its worth the level of family upheaval that its going to create.

May I be the first to welcome you to the dark side! :)

rivingtonpike Nov 9th 2017 6:32 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 12378138)
I would not move to the GTA with a family of 4 for 80k unless I was heavily motivated by canadian (or north american) lifestyle factors. Its going to be hard to buy and maintain a place plus pay for family activities, child care etc on that level of income in whats loosely the "Greater Toronto Area". Sure there are people that get by on less, and good on them, but do you want to move continents in order to clip coupons to keep your grocery bill in check?

I was on a similar level of income out in the (cheaper) eastern ontario wastelands, and by the time bills were paid and kids activities paid for lets say we were not exactly packing the savings accounts to pay for trips back to see Grandad, or more practically to pay for college tuition for the kids.

Long story short I'm about to take up a job in the US that pays significantly more in the hope that its worth the level of family upheaval that its going to create.

Great to hear from you! Welcome back.:thumbsup:

Jerseygirl Nov 9th 2017 6:58 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 12378138)
I would not move to the GTA with a family of 4 for 80k unless I was heavily motivated by canadian (or north american) lifestyle factors. Its going to be hard to buy and maintain a place plus pay for family activities, child care etc on that level of income in whats loosely the "Greater Toronto Area". Sure there are people that get by on less, and good on them, but do you want to move continents in order to clip coupons to keep your grocery bill in check?

I was on a similar level of income out in the (cheaper) eastern ontario wastelands, and by the time bills were paid and kids activities paid for lets say we were not exactly packing the savings accounts to pay for trips back to see Grandad, or more practically to pay for college tuition for the kids.

Long story short I'm about to take up a job in the US that pays significantly more in the hope that its worth the level of family upheaval that its going to create.

Hello stranger. :)

I hope you are moving to somewhere with warmer winters. :fingerscrossed: hope to see you over in the US forums...as you struggle to deal with US healthcare and dual tax returns. :eek: ;)

Novocastrian Nov 9th 2017 7:36 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 12378138)

Long story short I'm about to take up a job in the US that pays significantly more in the hope that its worth the level of family upheaval that its going to create.

Hello stranger. Good luck in the US. Strange choice but good luck anyway.

How many years ago is it that we had that drink (or three) together... 10?

Shard Nov 9th 2017 7:42 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 
OP, this article related to Canadian salaries:

In places like Ottawa and Regina, for example, median incomes weigh in at over $80,000, well above the national median, but to overshoot the middle class you need roughly $155,000 and $151,000 respectively.


https://globalnews.ca/news/3828447/c...ome-inequality




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Novocastrian Nov 9th 2017 8:22 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12378715)
OP, this article related to Canadian salaries:

In places like Ottawa and Regina, for example, median incomes weigh in at over $80,000, well above the national median, but to overshoot the middle class you need roughly $155,000 and $151,000 respectively.


https://globalnews.ca/news/3828447/c...ome-inequality

A dubious analysis. Middle class (another spurious label) and Median Income are completely unrelated.

BEVS Nov 9th 2017 9:18 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 12378138)
I would not move to the GTA with a family of 4 for 80k unless I was heavily motivated by canadian (or north american) lifestyle factors. Its going to be hard to buy and maintain a place plus pay for family activities, child care etc on that level of income in whats loosely the "Greater Toronto Area". Sure there are people that get by on less, and good on them, but do you want to move continents in order to clip coupons to keep your grocery bill in check?

I was on a similar level of income out in the (cheaper) eastern ontario wastelands, and by the time bills were paid and kids activities paid for lets say we were not exactly packing the savings accounts to pay for trips back to see Grandad, or more practically to pay for college tuition for the kids.

Long story short I'm about to take up a job in the US that pays significantly more in the hope that its worth the level of family upheaval that its going to create.

Iaink :wub:
Made my day that has.

Shard Nov 9th 2017 11:54 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 12378734)
A dubious analysis. Middle class (another spurious label) and Median Income are completely unrelated.

That's putting too fine a point on it.

dgagitw Nov 10th 2017 12:23 am

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 12374490)
It's not just that. Who'd move to Canada from the UK and put up with rubbish schools, climate, restaurants and the general dull naffness of the place unless you were going to a make a packet?

You forgot the total absence of cheese and the absolute certainty that your UK electrical equipment will explode causing your house to burn down and your insurance company to deny your claim.

FishAndChips00 Nov 10th 2017 1:55 am

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 12378138)
Long story short I'm about to take up a job in the US that pays significantly more in the hope that its worth the level of family upheaval that its going to create.

I'm assuming this is on a TN (NAFTA) visa. What's your fallback strategy in case that Trump decides to blow up NAFTA?

iaink Nov 10th 2017 11:59 am

Re: What is a decent salary?
 
Thank you all for the warm reception, many familiar faces here still!
Not wishing to highjack the OPs thread but Im heading to Greenville SC area, initially on a Nafta TN visa, with the company committed in a non specific way to getting a PR visa. Serious downside to TN visa is spouse can come but cant work, so PR is the long term aim for us. Besides, as I remember it temp residency in Canada sucked, no employment options, no credit rating etc etc.

Its ironic that I first came to BE all them years (and posts, 30k? really??!) ago in order to get some idea how long Canadian citizenship takes to process as my job had previously gone tits up and I wanted to be Canadian in order to make it easier to leave Canada for the US if my job situation went pear shaped again, and now here I am years later doing just that.
Mind you, this morning in Quinte its minus 8 with -16C windchill with the youngest boarding the schoolbus bundled up in a snowsuit, so 18 and sunny in NW SC doesnt seem a hardship:) Plus its nice that they want to pay me significantly more than I was getting in Belleville.

I suspect I will be picking the collective US brains over the dual taxation thing and "duel intent" as unsurprisingly offspring #1 has no desire to leave her canadian life and education in favour of starting again in the US. Until we figure out how she can achieve her goals in the US system (Flying with the Air Cadets, Education at RMC and then flying for the canadian forces) its possible that she will finish high school here, which is potentially 3 more years of stradling the border. I guess thats fine on a temp resident TN visa, but not going to work on a green card.
Offspring #2 looked at the weather forecast and basically was like "When can we leave Dad"
So life has gotten complicated but Im excited by the move to a great new company , new location and new possibilites! Plus there are loads of cheap convertibles on the Greenville craigslist and Im long overdue a midlife crisis.

dbd33 Nov 10th 2017 12:24 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 12379054)
So life has gotten complicated but Im excited by the move to a great new company , new location and new possibilites! Plus there are loads of cheap convertibles on the Greenville craigslist and Im long overdue a midlife crisis.

Enjoy it, you lucky bastard.

iaink Nov 10th 2017 12:45 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12379065)
Enjoy it, you lucky bastard.

LOL, but on the debit side of the ledger, with 12 months of decent weather I expect Ill start to golf a lot more:o

Partially discharged Nov 10th 2017 7:34 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 12379081)
LOL, but on the debit side of the ledger, with 12 months of decent weather I expect Ill start to golf a lot more:o

Golf, a deep interest in C & W music, believing that South of the Border is a true look at Mexican urbanity, Nascar, agreeing with Donald Trump, dropping the letter 'u' in many words, getting interested in college football (the 4 downs variety), and joining a mega-church glass cathedral type congregation. Other than that it all sounds great. On a day like this morning (-11 c in Ottawa) year round no cold does have its appeal. If it ever does snow there you'll be the expert on how to drive with your neighbours.

Seriously, good luck.

Novocastrian Nov 10th 2017 8:33 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by Partially discharged (Post 12379378)
Golf, a deep interest in C & W music, believing that South of the Border is a true look at Mexican urbanity, Nascar, agreeing with Donald Trump, dropping the letter 'u' in many words, getting interested in college football (the 4 downs variety), and joining a mega-church glass cathedral type congregation. Other than that it all sounds great. On a day like this morning (-11 c in Ottawa) year round no cold does have its appeal. If it ever does snow there you'll be the expert on how to drive with your neighbours.

Seriously, good luck.

Spoilsport. At least it's warmer than Belleville. And they have bigger dollars.

iaink Nov 10th 2017 8:41 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by Partially discharged (Post 12379378)
If it ever does snow there you'll be the expert on how to drive with your neighbours.

Seriously, good luck.

Without snow tires I'll need it:eek:

Have we had the annual snow tire thread yet?:huh:

Oink Nov 10th 2017 8:51 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 12379081)
LOL, but on the debit side of the ledger, with 12 months of decent weather I expect Ill start to golf a lot more:o

Decent? The spring and autumn are nice, the winters are depressing and the summers unbearable, although you can try and escape to Asheville. You're going to have really embrace chain restaurants. But on the plus side, Hilton Head has a couple of nice resorts, especially if you golf.

iaink Nov 10th 2017 8:56 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 12379433)
Decent? The spring and autumn are nice, the winters are depressing and the summers unbearable, although you can try and escape to Asheville. You're going to have really embrace chain restaurants. But on the plus side, Hilton Head has a couple of nice resorts, especially if you golf.

I can cope with depressing. You dont have to shovel it.

My last overseas holiday was in the lake district in August, I quite enjoyed 10 degrees and drizzle:lol:

Chain restaurants dont scare me, I'm in (well, near) Belleville FFS. For a city its size Greenville really surprised me when I visited, had a couple of excellent meals at someone elses expense in nice boutiqy restaurants and there was quite a European influence which I suspect is due to the large European automotive companies importing people to the area (BMW and Michelin both have huge facilities in the area).

Oink Nov 10th 2017 8:58 pm

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 12379436)
I can cope with depressing. You dont have to shovel it.

My last overseas holiday was in the lake district in August, I quite enjoyed 10 degrees and drizzle:lol:

If you can afford it. Join a country club. It'll make life so much easier.

Partially discharged Nov 10th 2017 9:00 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 12379426)
Without snow tires I'll need it:eek:

Have we had the annual snow tire thread yet?:huh:

Nope....ours go on the week after next. Hopefully no icy weather before then.

Since last winter we've switched one of our cars and we now have a car that will sit on the driveway overnight w/o a block heater.:eek::eek: (Ottawa)

Partially discharged Nov 10th 2017 9:02 pm

Re: What is a decent salary?
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 12379420)
Spoilsport. At least it's warmer than Belleville. And they have bigger dollars.

Parts of the USA I could live in (Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Oregon) parts of northern California, Colorado. Other parts not so much. Florida/Arkansas/Alabama/Mississippi..never.


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