Originally Posted by JonboyE

Oh, there are some "facts" alright. That there are proposals to close 14 schools in Northern BC is a fact. Of course, it has **** all to do with the Olympics but that wouldn't suit his diatribe.

Nowhere were the Olympics expected to make a $10bn profit. Either he made this up, or more likely someone made it up for him, because it is a nice round, sensational number. He then goes on to say that the Olympics are "unlikely to generate a return" as if this is some great expose - VANOC has p*****d $10bn up the wall!

To me "unlikely to generate a return" is another way of saying breaking even. If, in the wake of global economic collapse and world-wide security paranoia, VANOC can deliver a break even Games they will have done bloody well. The city and the province will have the Olympic legacy for free.

Originally Posted by dboy

the article is more to do with the writer's distaste for all things Olympic, rather than Vancouver's games. We only have ourselves to blame, we did, after all, vote to have them. I agree with Jonboye, that highlighting local cut backs to pad his opinion is shallow.

Not sure I agree with VPD and RCMP are lining their pockets, I've not seen any benefit, we are working with 25 percent less manpower, vacations are canceled, funding has been diverted from major files, overtime has been cut back, and we had our original pay package canceled.

Originally Posted by Alan2005

It won't break even - it's going to cost. Or rather it will break even because we'll be told it has by the people that want us to believe it. They will over-estimate the future value of the new infrastructure to balance the books.

Originally Posted by JonboyE

So, if "they" tell you the Olympics lost money it is plainly the truth
but, if "they" tell you the Olympics broke even it is obviously a lie.

Ho hum.

I like sport. I'm looking forward to a great couple of weeks. I can really do without some ill-informed opinionated tosser sitting in an office in London, using a political argument so clearly faulty that it would make the NDP blush, trying to ****** it up.

Originally Posted by Alan2005

No, I would like to see it properly audited. So far the people claiming it will make a loss are at presenting figures; those claiming a profit or break even can't (or more likely won't) even do that.

Originally Posted by JonboyE

Originally Posted by Oink

Is that what you put on your tax forms? I'm sure Revenue Canada will love that rationale.

Originally Posted by JonboyE

Like the $100,000,000,000 stuck in Nigeria bank accounts, projected financial information is only useful if you understand the motives and bias of the people presenting it.

I like to think that my tax returns have some basis in reality.

Originally Posted by JonboyE

I can present any figures I like, about anything. They are about as much use as a chocolate fireguard. It doesn't mean diddly squat.

Originally Posted by JonboyE

True. I hope he is happy.

Originally Posted by Oink

An independent systems audit would be able to proper job, which is not too much to ask as we live in a society where financial transparency is the expected best practice.

Originally Posted by Alan2005

I hope you don't tell your clients that!

Originally Posted by JonboyE

People who assume their opinion is more important than fact or truth p*** me off every day.

Originally Posted by JonboyE

Some specifically ask for it.



It is not really ad-hominem. I am not saying he wrong because he is a tosser, I am saying he is a tosser because he is wrong and presents uninformed opinion as fact.

It is a deduction rather than a logical fallacy.

People who assume their opinion is more important than fact or truth p*** me off every day.

Originally Posted by Oink

Me too.