Vancouver vs. London - Help
#31
Re: Vancouver vs. London - Help
Thank you all very much for your thoughtful advices. I really appreciate your genuine help. This is a tough but yet exciting decision we have to make.
In terms of lifestyle, we tend to live quite frugally. We don't have a car (which is partly why I live in Yaletown, easier to commute with the skytrain and everything is closed by), we don't even have TV (I compensate by wasting a lot of time on internet hehe!) and we don't have Iphones or other expensive toys/hobbies (except for skiing once or twice a year)...
The baby will definitely be a life changing event. We were still going to try to live in Vancouver without a car (I usually rent one when needed): the hospital and midwife are a few blocks away, family doctor and grocery stores within two blocks... London is a big city with a much more developed transit system than Vancouver, but I don't know if it is realistic to rely mostly on public transportation when we have to go around with a stroller, or if we can live in a place where everything is at a walkable distance. I'm also not a big fan of more than 1h or commute each way (I'd rather spend my time with my wife and kid), which is why we'd prefer to live not too far from my work. We are ok to live in a decent 2BR apartment/flat (is that realistic in that area with my salary)?.
There is one important thing that I didn't mention about myself... I'm from France and I have my brother and his wife living in London, and my sister living with her husband and newborn child in Paris (2h30 away by Eurostar). This is a BIG plus for me and that's why I'm really tempted to accept the offer. However, there is a good reason why I emigrated to Vancouver... I was living in Paris before and didn't like it at all. I've never lived in London and I don't know about the lifestyle there, whether it's a bit better than Paris... A big difference though is that I will be making much more in London than I was making in Paris at that time, which will certainly help make life easier/better.
As far as my wife is concerned, she would be very happy to move there too. She would look after our child and complete her BA in English Lit (which she started 10 years ago, but couldn't complete for various reasons). She's from Singapore and there are direct flights from London. She's like me, a bit worried about all the changes and trying to figure out what we should expect. A big advantage is that we would no longer have to choose between going to France or Singapore each year, since France is so close that we can just go there for a week-end. She's pretty happy about that!
Thanks again for your help. I really appreciate. By reading your messages, I'm feeling confident that this move is not gonna be as bad as we initially thought.
Cheers.
In terms of lifestyle, we tend to live quite frugally. We don't have a car (which is partly why I live in Yaletown, easier to commute with the skytrain and everything is closed by), we don't even have TV (I compensate by wasting a lot of time on internet hehe!) and we don't have Iphones or other expensive toys/hobbies (except for skiing once or twice a year)...
The baby will definitely be a life changing event. We were still going to try to live in Vancouver without a car (I usually rent one when needed): the hospital and midwife are a few blocks away, family doctor and grocery stores within two blocks... London is a big city with a much more developed transit system than Vancouver, but I don't know if it is realistic to rely mostly on public transportation when we have to go around with a stroller, or if we can live in a place where everything is at a walkable distance. I'm also not a big fan of more than 1h or commute each way (I'd rather spend my time with my wife and kid), which is why we'd prefer to live not too far from my work. We are ok to live in a decent 2BR apartment/flat (is that realistic in that area with my salary)?.
There is one important thing that I didn't mention about myself... I'm from France and I have my brother and his wife living in London, and my sister living with her husband and newborn child in Paris (2h30 away by Eurostar). This is a BIG plus for me and that's why I'm really tempted to accept the offer. However, there is a good reason why I emigrated to Vancouver... I was living in Paris before and didn't like it at all. I've never lived in London and I don't know about the lifestyle there, whether it's a bit better than Paris... A big difference though is that I will be making much more in London than I was making in Paris at that time, which will certainly help make life easier/better.
As far as my wife is concerned, she would be very happy to move there too. She would look after our child and complete her BA in English Lit (which she started 10 years ago, but couldn't complete for various reasons). She's from Singapore and there are direct flights from London. She's like me, a bit worried about all the changes and trying to figure out what we should expect. A big advantage is that we would no longer have to choose between going to France or Singapore each year, since France is so close that we can just go there for a week-end. She's pretty happy about that!
Thanks again for your help. I really appreciate. By reading your messages, I'm feeling confident that this move is not gonna be as bad as we initially thought.
Cheers.
1) Family nearby
2) Good career move
3) International experience is a big plus on your resume
4) More money and IMO (having lived for 5 years in London and 5 years in Vancouver) on that salary you'll be better off in London.
5) Experience of living in London - its an amazing city
Cons
1) London is big & crowded city - some like it, some hate it. For me, well I loved living there but wouldn't want to move back to central London. I would live and work in the suburbs but wouldn't want to live in suburbs and commute to the city.
2) If you move and hate it, its very hard to move back - especially with the economy as is
3) You will miss Vancouver - plain and simple. We relocated in May and I really miss the atmosphere downtown, the mountains, the up coming ski season....
A tough decision
When's the baby due and when would you be moving?
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Re: Vancouver vs. London - Help
Pros
1) Family nearby
2) Good career move
3) International experience is a big plus on your resume
4) More money and IMO (having lived for 5 years in London and 5 years in Vancouver) on that salary you'll be better off in London.
5) Experience of living in London - its an amazing city
Cons
1) London is big & crowded city - some like it, some hate it. For me, well I loved living there but wouldn't want to move back to central London. I would live and work in the suburbs but wouldn't want to live in suburbs and commute to the city.
2) If you move and hate it, its very hard to move back - especially with the economy as is
3) You will miss Vancouver - plain and simple. We relocated in May and I really miss the atmosphere downtown, the mountains, the up coming ski season....
A tough decision
When's the baby due and when would you be moving?
1) Family nearby
2) Good career move
3) International experience is a big plus on your resume
4) More money and IMO (having lived for 5 years in London and 5 years in Vancouver) on that salary you'll be better off in London.
5) Experience of living in London - its an amazing city
Cons
1) London is big & crowded city - some like it, some hate it. For me, well I loved living there but wouldn't want to move back to central London. I would live and work in the suburbs but wouldn't want to live in suburbs and commute to the city.
2) If you move and hate it, its very hard to move back - especially with the economy as is
3) You will miss Vancouver - plain and simple. We relocated in May and I really miss the atmosphere downtown, the mountains, the up coming ski season....
A tough decision
When's the baby due and when would you be moving?
The baby is due on Feb 17. I'm going to London two weeks in December and two weeks in January. The baby will be born in Vancouver and we'll probably move shortly after (late March?).
The big risk for me, as you mentioned, is to move there and not like it. Chances for me to get back to my current position are minimal (but not impossible). If I wasn't enjoying my life here as much, the decision wouldn't be so difficult!
On the other hand, looking at the big picture, it's a good career move. Vancouver is great, but job opportunities are fairly limited in my field and, if I do well in London, I would certainly get better career opportunities.
As you said, tough decision...
#33
Re: Vancouver vs. London - Help
I just had a look on line at rents in and around Ealing. I used to live near there and commuted into London on the Central line. At the time I worked on Cheapside. I am not suggesting this is the only area to look at but I know it is a decent area to live in.
You can get a decent looking 2 bedroom flat within walking distance, or a short bus ride, of a tube station for around £1,700 pm. Would council tax, utilities, travel pass and groceries come to more than £1,300 a month? If not, it will leave the OP with around £1,000 in disposable income. Seems plenty to me.
Oh, and cell phones are dirt cheap compared to Vancouver.
You can get a decent looking 2 bedroom flat within walking distance, or a short bus ride, of a tube station for around £1,700 pm. Would council tax, utilities, travel pass and groceries come to more than £1,300 a month? If not, it will leave the OP with around £1,000 in disposable income. Seems plenty to me.
Oh, and cell phones are dirt cheap compared to Vancouver.
We walked past this one at the weekend (Zone 5/6). Great location, near great public transport (about 35/40 minutes to Hyde Park)
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-...-17170455.html
This one has great transport links into the city and outside.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-...-17226429.html
Both £1600 per month. There are also some great 2 bedroom options for around the £1200 mark if you really want to save.
#34
Re: Vancouver vs. London - Help
You have perfectly summarized my thoughts!
The baby is due on Feb 17. I'm going to London two weeks in December and two weeks in January. The baby will be born in Vancouver and we'll probably move shortly after (late March?).
The big risk for me, as you mentioned, is to move there and not like it. Chances for me to get back to my current position are minimal (but not impossible). If I wasn't enjoying my life here as much, the decision wouldn't be so difficult!
On the other hand, looking at the big picture, it's a good career move. Vancouver is great, but job opportunities are fairly limited in my field and, if I do well in London, I would certainly get better career opportunities.
As you said, tough decision...
The baby is due on Feb 17. I'm going to London two weeks in December and two weeks in January. The baby will be born in Vancouver and we'll probably move shortly after (late March?).
The big risk for me, as you mentioned, is to move there and not like it. Chances for me to get back to my current position are minimal (but not impossible). If I wasn't enjoying my life here as much, the decision wouldn't be so difficult!
On the other hand, looking at the big picture, it's a good career move. Vancouver is great, but job opportunities are fairly limited in my field and, if I do well in London, I would certainly get better career opportunities.
As you said, tough decision...
On your two visits make sure you get out and look at areas to live etc. I liked the North West - check out Maida Vale, there are some great mansion block apartments near the tube and is easy travel to the paddington area.
#35
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Re: Vancouver vs. London - Help
Yep lots of disposable income.
We walked past this one at the weekend (Zone 5/6). Great location, near great public transport (about 35/40 minutes to Hyde Park)
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-...-17170455.html
This one has great transport links into the city and outside.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-...-17226429.html
Both £1600 per month. There are also some great 2 bedroom options for around the £1200 mark if you really want to save.
We walked past this one at the weekend (Zone 5/6). Great location, near great public transport (about 35/40 minutes to Hyde Park)
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-...-17170455.html
This one has great transport links into the city and outside.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-...-17226429.html
Both £1600 per month. There are also some great 2 bedroom options for around the £1200 mark if you really want to save.
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Re: Vancouver vs. London - Help
As far as my wife is concerned, she would be very happy to move there too. She would look after our child and complete her BA in English Lit (which she started 10 years ago, but couldn't complete for various reasons). She's from Singapore and there are direct flights from London. She's like me, a bit worried about all the changes and trying to figure out what we should expect. A big advantage is that we would no longer have to choose between going to France or Singapore each year, since France is so close that we can just go there for a week-end. She's pretty happy about that!
No TnT stores. Things may have changed but it was Chinatown (much smaller than Vancouver's) or Wing Yip's on the North Circular or Purley Way. Neither of the latter easy to get to without a car.
Is there a forum for Singaporeans living in the UK. If so it might be a good idea for your OH to check this. Central London will be no problem - lots of faces from lots of places - but as you get towards the outskirts and into the countryside you can find a level of racial stereotyping and prejudice that would be outrageous in Vancouver. That said, it is a while since we left so hopefully things are changing for the better.
#37
Re: Vancouver vs. London - Help
Oh and people who don't leave you alone on the highstreet. I actually hated walking down the highstreet for the amount of pestering I got and tried to avoid that area entirely.
#39
Re: Vancouver vs. London - Help
Well I agree it is a case of each to their own. Every time I went away when I lived there I felt I could finally breathe and enjoy myself. Perhaps it was just psychological but I never really took to the place. I've just been to many other places in England and Europe that I would be much more likely to hand the title of "good part of the world" to than Kingston, that was just the reason for my reaction, apologies if it seemed a bit harsh.
It's one of the nicest parts of London though I'll give you that.
It's one of the nicest parts of London though I'll give you that.
#40
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Re: Vancouver vs. London - Help
That being said, 74 k will more than balance out the diff between the two
#41
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Yep lots of disposable income.
We walked past this one at the weekend (Zone 5/6). Great location, near great public transport (about 35/40 minutes to Hyde Park)
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-...-17170455.html
This one has great transport links into the city and outside.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-...-17226429.html
Both £1600 per month. There are also some great 2 bedroom options for around the £1200 mark if you really want to save.
We walked past this one at the weekend (Zone 5/6). Great location, near great public transport (about 35/40 minutes to Hyde Park)
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-...-17170455.html
This one has great transport links into the city and outside.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-...-17226429.html
Both £1600 per month. There are also some great 2 bedroom options for around the £1200 mark if you really want to save.
hardly affordable when you add in council tax and principal bills (included here in rent). You can pay here but if the OP is after saving some money paying halfh is income on rent will not help much.
Last edited by dboy; Nov 17th 2010 at 12:02 am.
#42
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Re: Vancouver vs. London - Help
Yes, rents are cheap here (relative to buying). That comment was in the context of dispelling the idea of needing 120k to be able to afford to live in London.
#43
Re: Vancouver vs. London - Help
According to a piece on the BBC tonight about the launch of French Radio London, there are 400,000 francophones living in South Kensington; the largest foreign speaking minority in London. Perhaps it would suit the OP to look at living there.
#45
Re: Vancouver vs. London - Help
It all depends on the amount the OP is paying now i guess.