UK university fees question
 

What happens if you migrate and then dependent children want to study fro a degree in say the US, or even back here in the UK? Are there exemptions if they're in education? I couldn't see anything in the wiki.

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Nope, no exemptions for that I'm afraid. Are you aware how much it would cost to do a degree in the US (tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of dollars for international tuition fees alone plus living costs), and the UK though? Bear in mind they will no longer be eligible for subsidised university education in the UK as they won't be resident there any longer - they will have to pay international tuition fees.

Why can't they do it in Canada? Much cheaper!

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I'm not sure that's the case - I thought you had to be resident in the UK for the year before you start Uni, which my daughter would be. My son who's a year younger wouldn't be though.


Only that BSc/BA in Canada is 4 years, and 3 years in the UK, so I reckon it will be more expensive overall in Canada. Also, despite the need for a student loan in the UK, at least the loan is there for those that want it - it all seems much less clear in Canada.

Sorry if I'm hijacking your thread, OP.

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Oh, I see. I just assumed you were already in Canada and kids were thinking of returning to do degrees!

Definitely cheaper for your son to do it in Canada then as international tuition fees are pretty expensive (although nowhere near as extortionate as in the US). I'd also check whether it really will be cheaper for your daughter to study in the UK - think of the airfares several times a year when she wants to come home for holidays! :eek:

But in any event, doing a degree in the UK could be an issue for them keeping up their PR, depending on how often they come home for holidays etc.

Sounds like you'll be doing some pretty careful financial/time calculations in your house to make that decision! Do also factor in the other side of it i.e. if they study in Canada then they'll make it their home, integrate more, make friends, etc, but if they study in the UK then they may not want to uproot and move to Canada after their degrees.

Good luck deciding. :)

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Uk residency requirements for university are not black and white. I was living in canada the year before starting a phd in london, and qualify for funding etc without any problems what so ever.

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Things changed fairly recently though, it's now pretty black and white unfortunately!

This from the British Council...................http://www.britishcouncil.org/costs_...nnection-2.pdf

:)

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"ordinarily resident" is open to interpretation, and there are many cases where people have appealed against apparent ineligibility by saying that they maintained residency by having ties in the UK e.g. bank accounts, relatives etc.

In reality, no one even queried it with me and I was completely honest when filling out the forms. I dont think the institutions look into it unless you bring it to their attention.

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Don't see how they could say they're resident just because of a bank account or relatives! When my husband enrolled for his masters, we had to give proof that he was actually resident here - utility bills, etc.

When did you do your Phd out of interest? As I said, I think it changed fairly recently so it may be that they were more lax when you did yours but have tightened up since then.

Just found this that may be of interest for the OP. http://www.ukcosa.org.uk/student/inf..._ewni.php#box3

And I'm going to split this off as it's now taking the original thread off track, but think it's worth a thread in its own right.

:)

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I'm 1 year into my phd, i have 2 years to go. I didnt give any proof of residency

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Guess it must depend on the institution then, as hubby was asked less than a year ago to prove his residency. Luck of the draw! :)

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Erm, isn't it your thread? :blink:

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No, I split it from another one, as per my post above. :)

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Aaaaah i'm easily confused :huh:

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And there was you thinking screene was in the first stages of multiple personality disorder. :lol:

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PhDs are usually a bit different when it comes to fees - the student is more likely to be paid a stipend, rather than pay fees for the degree. :)

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there are fees for the phd. The research council that is paying my stipend also pay the fees on my behalf.

Re: UK university fees question
 

No credit in terms of keeping their Canadian PR (unless accompanying a Canadian citizen spouse or parent) or qualifying for Canadian citizenship. If you migrate to Canada, then study in Canada should be the plan.

Re: UK university fees question
 

Most definately. I am really hoping that my daughter will do her degree in Canada because I don't think she will come afterwards otherwise. I am hoping to take her to NS again soon to look at universities, but this emigration business is fraaught with difficulties (there's never an easy time to go is there?) and we want her to make the decision that is ultimately right for her.

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Thank you.

We are:thumbsup:

Re: PR - 2years in 5 rule exceptions
 

Be aware that the NAFTA provisions under which Canadians can work in the US stipulate that workers have a four year degree. In this respect the four year degree is better.

Re: UK university fees question
 

I really feel for you. Be careful though in thinking that just because she does her degree in Canada she will stay. My OH convinced our 3 to come to NS when he accepted a job here almost 4 years ago now. Our eldest finished her degree and went on to do a masters at Dalhousie. Middle daughter graduates next year. Both are heading back to UK - mainly due to lack of job opportunities here in NS. Eldest starts her phd in UK in October, fees paid for by institution there and no problems with residency.
Even if they live at home, university fees in Nova Scotia are some of the highest in Canada, so it might not be the cheapest option either.

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how old is your daughter?will she be able to go on ur visa to move to canada?
As i am 21 and worried i'll be too old to go on my parents visa even though i am still living at home etc.

Re: PR - 2years in 5 rule exceptions
 

That's interesting.

When we visited Dalhousie university last year, we were told that because of differing levels at which students leave schools in Canada and the UK, UK-educated kids can get places in Canadian universities with AS levels. Those who have A2-levels (ie the second year of A Level) can sometimes get credits against the first year of their Canadian university education, in some cases not doing it at all depending on what they've studied. It also describes this on the Wiki here on BE.

From this I infer that the reason a Canadian degree is 4 years is that the first year is spent covering the stuff that British kids do in year 13.

If this is true, then it should be cheaper to do a degree in the UK than in Canada because Y13 is free and they live at home!

Another question - is it more common for Canadians to stay at home and do their degree at a local university than it is in the UK?

My daughter is 18. I believe that the cut-off age for 'dependent children' is 22 and in full-time education.

Re: UK university fees question
 

Thanks for the comments Val. We have accepted that our kids (18, 17 and 14) may well decide ultimately that NS is not where they want to be. We hope it is, but if it isn't, we will accept that.

We also think that even if we were to stay in the UK, there is no reason to assume that our children would do the same; we know plenty of people whose offspring have headed off for Australia and elsewhere, after a better life and affordable housing (even after the house price collapse - it's still very expensive).

We just feel that if we don't make this move now, it will never get any easier.

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I did all my degree work, BA o Ph.D. in the US and never paid a penny in tuition fees. There are academic scholarships available for international students. Plus, if you work with a particular professor and do a lot their research for them, they have departmental money to help you waive your tuition fees. Yes, and if you go to graduate school there will be money for a stipend and/or you can get a research grant from various agencies.

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Thank you for that reminder - I've been impressing upon my 3 kids the need to do well with scholarships in mind, and it's particularly pertinent with A level results out today!

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Don't ignore the weird scholarships, contemporaries of my children got money for being good at sailing and swimming. One girl even got a substantial sum from a highly regarded school for being good at ice hockey.

Re: UK university fees question
 

Thought I would post a link to this Undergraduate Fees at Memorial University in St Johns, Newfoundland. Shows you a good breakdown, including international fees too.

My son is heading there in a couple of weeks and it's nearly time for me to cough up :blink: (MUN has one of the lowest fees in Atlantic Canada). :)

http://www.mun.ca/scholarships/home/..._2009-2010.doc