UK IT Professional seeking advice from fellow IT professionals expats in Canada
Hi Everyone!
Before I get started - I just wanted to say such a massive thank-you to all the expats on this board answering questions and giving their perspectives on everything Canada. Having all this knowledge collated on here is incredibly helpful and it has been a really fun afternoon reading through many of the posts. I won’t go into my immigration status or background too much (as there’s no a lot to say), but my general status is as follows:
I’ve done a lot of research on the different provinces and cities in Canada, but I’m really trying to hone in on both an IT professionals point of view, combined with a fellow Brits take on living standards and the like.
Also any general advise is almost incredibly welcome and much appreciated. I’m sure another 10 questions will pop into my head after having posted this, but a massive thank-you in advance to anyone who reads/provides any input. Hope everyone has a great day, domainnamesandwich |
Re: UK IT Professional seeking advice from fellow IT professionals expats in Can
Originally Posted by domainnamesandwich
(Post 13048294)
my only real shot is the IEC WHV, which I am praying opens up either later this year or early next year. I’ve got just over a year until I’m uneligible
Can't help with any other info as I know nothing about IT, but just thought I'd mention that…….and say welcome to the forum. Good luck. |
Re: UK IT Professional seeking advice from fellow IT professionals expats in Can
Originally Posted by christmasoompa
(Post 13048347)
If you're 28 you've got longer than that - it's 30 and under, so you've got at least another 2 years (until the day you turn 31).
Can't help with any other info as I know nothing about IT, but just thought I'd mention that…….and say welcome to the forum. Good luck. Oh really - are you sure it's 31? I was led to believe the moment you turn 30 you are automatically removed from the pool. So are you saying you can apply for an IEC if you are 30? I hope I've been missinformed on this, as having more time would be great! Do you have any documention for this? Many thanks in advance :) |
Re: UK IT Professional seeking advice from fellow IT professionals expats in Can
Originally Posted by domainnamesandwich
(Post 13048351)
Thank you for the welcome! Great to be here.
Oh really - are you sure it's 31? I was led to believe the moment you turn 30 you are automatically removed from the pool. So are you saying you can apply for an IEC if you are 30? I hope I've been missinformed on this, as having more time would be great! Do you have any documention for this? Many thanks in advance :) https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/work/i...gory_name_cont be between the ages of 18 and 30 (inclusive) |
Re: UK IT Professional seeking advice from fellow IT professionals expats in Can
Originally Posted by domainnamesandwich
(Post 13048294)
IT professional with 5+ years experience as a Systems Administrator / Infrastructure Engineer
Technology behind in Canada? Well maybe in specific sectors but most everything is in the cloud now so the supplier doesn't even know where the customer is. The software is the same across the world. I don't know what a Systems Administrator / Infrastructure Engineer is. I can't be your pimp because I don't know what I'm selling and I'm not going to hire you because I never thought "what we need now is someone who can do Systems Administrator / Infrastructure Engineer stuff". What do you do? |
Re: UK IT Professional seeking advice from fellow IT professionals expats in Can
Originally Posted by Siouxie
(Post 13048379)
Christmasoompa knows her stuff - you can trust what she says :)
Which means up to the day you turn 31, you are eligible. :D Thank you very much for this information. That actually makes a big difference, knowing that I have a year more than I thought. Really appreciate this. Sidenote: My mistake really reminds me of an episode of 'The Thick of It'. "Up to and including..." |
Re: UK IT Professional seeking advice from fellow IT professionals expats in Can
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 13048388)
I'm a computer person in Canada. I have vast experience in hiring/placing/managing contractor relationships. Last Wednesday I became an employee of a client after many years of contracting and on Friday I made my first offer of employment on behalf of the organization. I can say definitely that the whole "Canadian experience" thing is bollocks. It's routine to hire people while they are still in their home countries. Sometimes people start work remotely, that's ok if they have paperwork for Canada. Some people were at that stage when the pandemic kicked off so I work every day with people who are in the US or in India who should have been here by now and never made it. It's not an issue.
Technology behind in Canada? Well maybe in specific sectors but most everything is in the cloud now so the supplier doesn't even know where the customer is. The software is the same across the world. I don't know what a Systems Administrator / Infrastructure Engineer is. I can't be your pimp because I don't know what I'm selling and I'm not going to hire you because I never thought "what we need now is someone who can do Systems Administrator / Infrastructure Engineer stuff". What do you do? I can say definitely that the whole "Canadian experience" thing is bollocks. Yeah - There is much debate on this from what I have researched. Perhaps the truth is that it is very dependent on industry. Technology behind in Canada? Well maybe in specific sectors but most everything is in the cloud now so the supplier doesn't even know where the customer is. The software is the same across the world. Indeed. There are, however, vendors that operate in certain countries or continents that do not have much of a reach outside of their base. That was really more what I was getting at. In regards to the “technology behind”.. It’s something that I had just come across a couple of times. As I mentioned, it can be a very company/industry specific question and not reflective of the industry as a whole. I don't know what a Systems Administrator / Infrastructure Engineer is. I can't be your pimp because I don't know what I'm selling and I'm not going to hire you because I never thought "what we need now is someone who can do Systems Administrator / Infrastructure Engineer stuff". What do you do? Haha, that’s definitely fair! I didn’t want to start rattling off too much on specific tech stacks. Would it be okay if I messaged you the finer details? |
Re: UK IT Professional seeking advice from fellow IT professionals expats in Can
Originally Posted by domainnamesandwich
(Post 13048455)
Haha, that’s definitely fair! I didn’t want to start rattling off too much on specific tech stacks. Would it be okay if I messaged you the finer details? |
Re: UK IT Professional seeking advice from fellow IT professionals expats in Can
If by system adminstrator/infrastructure engineer you mean providing operational support to an organisation's IT systems then I did it. That meant everything from desktop support, managing mobile devices, phone system, cabling, email admin, firewalls, VPN, routers, switches, administering servers and all other tasks required to support a data center. This was before most things were on the cloud though. I could be expected to work at any time of the day. I'm not sure you would get the equivalent salary here starting out or even after a while depending on if you had some very specialised skill.
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Re: UK IT Professional seeking advice from fellow IT professionals expats in Can
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 13048483)
Sure. It's a holiday here so you may not get an instant response.
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Re: UK IT Professional seeking advice from fellow IT professionals expats in Can
Originally Posted by jandro
(Post 13048598)
If by system adminstrator/infrastructure engineer you mean providing operational support to an organisation's IT systems then I did it. That meant everything from desktop support, managing mobile devices, phone system, cabling, email admin, firewalls, VPN, routers, switches, administering servers and all other tasks required to support a data center. This was before most things were on the cloud though. I could be expected to work at any time of the day. I'm not sure you would get the equivalent salary here starting out or even after a while depending on if you had some very specialised skill.
So a TLDR would be: I design, deploy and support IT infrastructure systems within organisations. These include Windows, Linux and COTS solutions. A small round-off would be:
This was before most things were on the cloud though Cloud in certain contexts is less viable than in others. I could be expected to work at any time of the day I'm not sure you would get the equivalent salary here starting out or even after a while depending on if you had some very specialised skill Many thanks for taking the time to respond, it's very much appreciated! :) |
Re: UK IT Professional seeking advice from fellow IT professionals expats in Can
You have to watch using the term "Engineer".
It is a very restricted occupation in Canada, and usually used in terms of structural engineers, mechanical engineering, etc, ie, people with a Bachelor's degree (or higher) in Engineering. I don't think it is an approved term for IT. |
Re: UK IT Professional seeking advice from fellow IT professionals expats in Can
Originally Posted by scilly
(Post 13048725)
You have to watch using the term "Engineer".
It is a very restricted occupation in Canada, and usually used in terms of structural engineers, mechanical engineering, etc, ie, people with a Bachelor's degree (or higher) in Engineering. I don't think it is an approved term for IT. I do have a Bachelor's degree to be fair, but point taken. I personally wouldn't call myself an engineer, but it has been my job title and is the most reflective NOC title for what I do (NOC 2147). Appreciate the input. |
Re: UK IT Professional seeking advice from fellow IT professionals expats in Can
Originally Posted by domainnamesandwich
(Post 13048764)
Good to know!
I do have a Bachelor's degree to be fair, but point taken. I personally wouldn't call myself an engineer, but it has been my job title and is the most reflective NOC title for what I do (NOC 2147). Appreciate the input. |
Re: UK IT Professional seeking advice from fellow IT professionals expats in Can
Notwithstanding my recent foray into gainful employment, my background is in contracting so I don't know what permanent jobs typically pay. I would say that you are a sysadmin, Wintel or Unix, and, in the GTA, could expect to be quickly placed on a contract at fifty bucks to you. There's lots more money out there but you need a job straight away. A contract makes sense because:
- you don't want a bad career move on you CV, contracts don't count so you can take any work that comes along - you have no history or reputation in Canada, clients are more relaxed about that with contractors as they're on an hour's notice Watch out though, there's no work/life balance here. It's all work. So much so that when I took my job the person hiring went straight from "I'll give you n weeks vacation" to explaining the procedure for redeeming the unused days at the end of the year. People are expected to take vacation "at the end of the project" and there's always another project. |
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